id have to say matthew bate just cant crack the side

Every player. To have the average losing & average winning margins we have is horrible.

jurrah, all the talent in the world, lacks the work ethic required

Mental Toughness of the team is no where near where it should be...that said i still have faith that it will get there.

Listen to some of "Yabby" Jeans speeches on youtube...no wonder Hawthorn were so strong for so long.

Easily Dunn.

Jurrah without doubt hasnt continued to spark, hes sort of treading water in a fashion. But I think in all honesty hes got a hell of a lot on his plate. Not too many players wil lhave to concern themselves with not only pushing themsleves week in week out whilst having to worry about whats happening back home. He's a community leader in absentia and it must get to him. He has my sympathies in that regard.

I marvel at how the club ( and indeed LJ himself ) have managed it to date. Cant be easy.

Bate will probably find himself with a DCM come seasons end. Maybe fresh fields might renew/continue his career.

Dunn's bben mentioned...he might be joiing Bate. Morton for mine is not living up to expectations...but that been done to death

Greens performances have been all over the place really. Curse of the captaincy ?

Davey before injury was well off the boil.

Maybe we were spoiled with Chip's stellar 2010 as 2011 isnt quite so spectacular, but hes not alone.. a few more are lucky not to get a mention.

Im not sure which Sylvia will show up these days... needs much better consistency and impact.

Bit of a trend amongst all that.. as a few of the "senior" players seem to go missing at times.

- Inconsistent mental application

- Seemingly needing an embarrassing bake in the media in order to fire up

- Dearth of genuine leadership

* The last has been a cultural problem for far too long, the first two are coaching failures IMO.

- Inconsistent mental application

- Seemingly needing an embarrassing bake in the media in order to fire up

- Dearth of genuine leadership

* The last has been a cultural problem for far too long, the first two are coaching failures IMO.

Sums it up. Nothing much has changed. These guys only seem to play when their pride is hurt. Well #@$& pride. When they have a chance to make a genuine step forward they don't show up. The bad loss against the dogs cost us plenty. Still can't beat other Vic clubs except Richmond and Essendon, still playing other sides into form, still can't win away and interstate unless we are playing lame ducks.

2004 draftees

Yabby Jeans, John Kennedy, Ron Barassi and the greatest of all, Norm Smith (or his brother Len). We desperately need a modern equivalent of them to turn good players into great ones!

- Inconsistent mental application

- Seemingly needing an embarrassing bake in the media in order to fire up

- Dearth of genuine leadership

* The last has been a cultural problem for far too long, the first two are coaching failures IMO.

Absolutely correct - and it goes wwaaaayyyyy back

Maybe we do need one of the Filth's discards

But that avenue is about to be blocked off

P.S. we don't need too many more young and undeveloped talents on the list - maybe more like Beamer

I think I'll look up Punt Road End to make myself feel better

The West Coast game.

id have to say matthew bate just cant crack the side

All the soft players who won't Crack In & have a go.

Jack grimes losing a year of development.

the Scully issue has to be the worst disappointment this year.

The second half against Hawthorn

The second half against Hawthorn

yes i watched the second Q a few nights ago.....what did happen there???

Getting beaten

Nothing like a thread focused on our biggest disappointments throughout the year to whip everyone into a frenzy of positivity in the hours leading up to a game. Wow.

Leadership group this year on and off the field.

The extent to which a number of D'land poster dont understand the implications of having such a young list of footballers.

Definitely that 2nd half against hawthorn was insipid.

Also the queens birthday game.

Being outed by Mitch Robinson as being soft.

Tom Scully saga

Somehow Playing teams into form.

Somehow Playing teams into form.

This one does hurt a lot, good point!!

Leadership group.

Losing the North game after holding a 30+ point lead comes a close second.

This is a positive post

The inability to shut down other teams when they are on a role.

The fact that we haven't improved or made any progress (as a team).

Still cant win against bogey sides, still cant win on bogey grounds.