Leaderless and Uncoached (and now Unmanaged)

[Mono 455]

I joined this forum in 2008 because I was outraged at the pathetic efforts dished up at the start of that year.

Then, the team played as if it was leaderless and uncoached.

Little has changed since (excepting unmanaged can be added to the description - see below about Howe).

Have we improved since then? yes, but only to the extent that having a sheet of early draft picks must help a bit.

We play as if leaderless and uncoached.

And WTF is Howe doing fronting the press - link - and published on the MFC web site, no less. Howe was a positive today, but its his second game FFS. He is explaining the up and down form of the team, or trying to; but he's only played 2 games FFS!

Where are the so-called leaders of this club - they should be fronting the press; not some newbie.

Something is seriously starting to stink.

ED: "press" = Media; thanks stuie

[stuie 7,374]

Uh... You know each player has a role in a "press", all of them important.

What makes you think Howe's role is more important than any other.

Weak thread.

By "press" he means media Quickdraw McGraw, weak effort at reading the actual post.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

This was just a short interview with the club website.

Very little is ever gleaned from these interviews and it's really just an excuse to give platitudes, make our supporters more familiar with a wide range of players (notice how it's a different one each week?) and for the players themselves to work on their media performance.

Inexplicably weak thread.

(at first I even thought you must have been talking about his place in the "forward press"...)

[Guest Artie Bucco]

By "press" he means media Quickdraw McGraw, weak effort at reading the actual post.

Such a bizarre thing to criticise, I completely missed it!

Even worse than what I originally thought he was referring to!

Some people just need something to complain about...

[Mono 455]

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Some people just need something to complain about...

642 posts in 44 days - you'd know pal.

[QueenC 74]

This thread is going so well so far......

[QueenC 74]

The resort of someone who has no argument.

Well done.

Anything else incredibly obtuse and irrelevant that you want to complain about..?

I hope that comment wasn't aimed at me as all I was trying to point out was that this thread needs to at least try to stay on topic.

[jackaub 1,402]

I joined this forum in 2008 because I was outraged at the pathetic efforts dished up at the start of that year.

Then, the team played as if it was leaderless and uncoached.

Little has changed since (excepting unmanaged can be added to the description - see below about Howe).

Have we improved since then? yes, but only to the extent that having a sheet of early draft picks must help a bit.

We play as if leaderless and uncoached.

And WTF is Howe doing fronting the press - link - and published on the MFC web site, no less. Howe was a positive today, but its his second game FFS. He is explaining the up and down form of the team, or trying to; but he's only played 2 games FFS!

Where are the so-called leaders of this club - they should be fronting the press; not some newbie.

Something is seriously starting to stink.

ED: "press" = Media; thanks stuie

I was at the game at it was easy to see we were out classed by a superior team emphasis on team

A few points though

Either we dont have a game plan to break the press

or we do and we dont execute it

or the players dont want to or cant play to the game plan

The structure was wrong and one dimnensioned particularly in our kick outs for three quarters we kicked to the same spot on the wing no wonder we got monstered

Bad Plan Bad Execution Bad Coaching

We were never going to win or go close playing a defensive game defending from so far back in our 50

It looked like we were a long way form being competetive

[Demon17 5,227]

I hope that comment wasn't aimed at me as all I was trying to point out was that this thread needs to at least try to stay on topic.

Well said Queen C.

IMO we have been largely leaderless since the Viney days (Except Junior that is). I don't susccribe that Neita was a great leader - great warrior isn't the same thing. The evidence is the whole flakiness on field we experienced in the Daniher years and this legacy still lives on.

We are only now fixing the list management debacle from those years as well.

Our next generation will fix this given how well we have drafted in the leadership stakes - Trengove, Grimes, Moloney, Frawley.

This is what needs to be fixed now or for 2012 - along with plans, and team development etc

[Damo 3,437]

642 posts in 44 days - you'd know pal.

must have been a real change of life for you Artie to come from no-where and start defending every [censored] thing MFC.

[daisycutter 29,892]

must have been a real change of life for you Artie to come from no-where and start defending every [censored] thing MFC.

interesting though how one poster 'disappears' and miraculously a new one rises like a phoenix

[Steamin Demon 401]

interesting though how one poster 'disappears' and miraculously a new one rises like a phoenix

Enforcer or E25 perhaps?

[Juicebox 629]

Going back to the original topic, was the Howe interview something fairly exclusive to the Melbourne website?

If it is then it's not really a big deal. Still it doesn't sound right having a 2nd gamer talk about the teams form thus far.

[P-man 13,366]

Uh... You know each player has a role in a "press", all of them important.

What makes you think Howe's role is more important than any other.

Weak thread.

bahahaha!

Classic nit.

[Roost It 1,434]

This was just a short interview with the club website.

Very little is ever gleaned from these interviews and it's really just an excuse to give platitudes, make our supporters more familiar with a wide range of players (notice how it's a different one each week?) and for the players themselves to work on their media performance.

Inexplicably weak thread.

(at first I even thought you must have been talking about his place in the "forward press"...)

You're pushing an agenda for the club

I hope your master is wearing a glove

[Guest Artie Bucco]

i skip over arties posts, he's either too young or naieve and obviously wasn't around for the daniher years.

I was around for all of them, and I'm not young or naive - I simply know that this criticism is absurd & petty.

My sensibilities are offended by ignorance and the thoughtless criticisms that are often brought up on this forum.

I don't post for your benefit, so I don't really care.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

You're pushing an agenda for the club

I hope your master is wearing a glove

Haha really?

So you really agree that it is mismanagement to have Howe do a post-match interview?

Even though it has been rotated through the players all season, with the young players clearly being promoted by the club?

[Guest 36DD]

Couldn't give a toss who speaks to the media, it was for the AFL/MFC website, might be a little concerning if he appeared On The Couch or a show of that ilk.

Some people on this site really worry me, geez hate for something serious in our lives to happen FCS.

[Roost It 1,434]

Haha really?

So you really agree that it is mismanagement to have Howe do a post-match interview?

Even though it has been rotated through the players all season, with the young players clearly being promoted by the club?

After a loss like that the captain needs to stand up. You roll out the young ones after a win when the pressure's off. The problem being our captain is a massive reason we are so rudderless at the moment.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Yeah, I agree the captain is a big reason for our troubles.

But it was just a post-match interview WITH DEE TV.

Howe wasn't fronting the media at a press conference.

How is this any different to the pre-match interviews on the website, or Beamer's videos?

Oh no - it was after a loss!

The hyperbole is making it sound like he was thrown to the wolves.

The reality is nothing of the sort.