FS is before the trading so we can't trade it before using on a FS.

As I understand it PP's and comp picks don't count when it comes to using the 'next pick' for father/son. Therefore if we trade our 2nd round pick then the next pick we have for Billy is our 3rd round pick. Assuming StK don't use their pick 1 for him or course. So it would be a safe bet that he will come with our 3rd round pick.

Father/Son bidding/picks come before the trade period. We cant just trade away our second rounder so we take Billy with our third rounder, it is all finalized before the draft.

There needs to be a pop up that says "do you realise that the FS trade happens before we can trade our draft picks?

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I stand corrected

It didn't hinder Luke Ball all that much.

Didn't seem to bother Greg Williams. He had over 50 disposals against StKilda one day and they were real disposals not the give and gets today.

Edit: 53 disps (25 kicks 28 hballs), 5 marks and 6 goals

Added stats from round 19 1989

Not bad for a 176cm player who was too slow for Sydney

PS- He could handball as far as he could kick.

Both premiership players

We're talking a speculative second round pick

I'd like him to be able to kick 50 metres

Maybe that's just me but in today's game good powerful kicking is a priority

Is it a problem that a soon to be AFL player cant kick 40 metres?

Both premiership players

We're talking a speculative second round pick

I'd like him to be able to kick 50 metres

Maybe that's just me but in today's game good powerful kicking is a priority

Make up your mind. Is it 40 metres or 50 metres?

If there was no F/S where would Moore sit?

I believe he is rated as an easy top 10 pick, probably top 5 were it not for Collingwood having first dibs. He's a seriously good player.

Is it a problem that a soon to be AFL player cant kick 40 metres?

It is a legitimate concern. I don't know how far he can kick.

If you are going to play most of your footy on the outside then you need to be at a high level in speed, endurance and kicking.

All of the nice outside runners that we have recruited over the last 5 years have been missing one of these crucial ingredients.

The top end of the draft is not the place to draft "incomplete" players.

Edited September 16, 201411 yr by jabberwocky

Billy will go where he is rated by other clubs and "forcing" our hand won't come into it.

Agreed, which is what most of us thought for the Viney draft and that's how it panned out. No club is going to risk their own game just to mess with us, nor would we do that to another club.

Is it a problem that a soon to be AFL player cant kick 40 metres?

What information are you going on? The highlight footage of him kicking for goal into the wind?

Is it a problem that a soon to be AFL player cant kick 40 metres?

Pretty sure I saw him kick from about 55 out and it was touched on the line in the championships.

If he regularly hits a target over 40 metres he is already in front of 75% of the current list.

Both premiership players

We're talking a speculative second round pick

I'd like him to be able to kick 50 metres

Maybe that's just me but in today's game good powerful kicking is a priority

Both Ball & Williams were selected despite poor kicking.

Greg Williams was passed up by Carlton was selected by Geelong, followed Hafey to Sydney then onto Carlton. He was always slow & couldn't kick.

So would you pick him in the draft today? YES

Pretty sure I saw him kick from about 55 out and it was touched on the line in the championships.

If he regularly hits a target over 40 metres he is already in front of 75% of the current list.

Both Ball & Williams were selected despite poor kicking.

Greg Williams was passed up by Carlton was selected by Geelong, followed Hafey to Sydney then onto Carlton. He was always slow & couldn't kick.

So would you pick him in the draft today? YES

he was actually a very effective kick over short to medium distance

it is true he didn't have a long or penetrating kick, but he wasn't a lousy kick

and yes, pick him every time with the benefit of hindsight

A couple of top 10 results from Billy at the draft combine. Didn't anyone tell him to pull up a little??

COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel - 16.1
Jack Hiscox - 16.1
Tom Lamb - 15.5
Ed Langdon - 15.3
Jarrod Garlett - 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen - 15.2
Jason Castagna - 15.2
Billy Stretch - 15.1
Jack Steele - 15.1
Jordan Cunico - 14.12
Christian Petracca - 14.12

Agility results

Clem Smith - 8.09secs
Daniel McKenzie - 8.10
Conor McKenna - 8.12
Jarrod Pickett - 8.13
Teia Miles - 8.27
Lukas Webb - 8.28
Josh McGuinness - 8.33
Billy Stretch - 8.33
Kyle Langford - 8.36
Jack Lonie - 8.37

What a score this kid will be!

One thing is for certain, the kid will be a hell of a lot better player the minute after the bidding process is over...

Right now?

I could take him or leave him.

Meh.

One thing is for certain, the kid will be a hell of a lot better player the minute after the bidding process is over...

Right now?

I could take him or leave him.

Meh.

I agree.

Far less attached to the prospect of picking up Stretch than I was with Viney.

The club has enough sense now to do what's in the best interests of the club.

We will take him, even if it's for our second rounder. He will be a Dee

We will take him, even if it's for our second rounder. He will be a Dee

I agree. I want players like him who have a connection with the club. Next year we will take Lovett's boy.

I agree. I want players like him who have a connection with the club. Next year we will take Lovett's boy.

I personally think Billy's upside can be very good.

I agree.

Far less attached to the prospect of picking up Stretch than I was with Viney.

The club has enough sense now to do what's in the best interests of the club.

I don't really know the juniors that well, I am just alluding to the need to talk the kid down so we can pick him up for Pick 65...

Fair wrap up

Brenton Phillips, SANFL: "Billy's the most professional athlete I've ever coached. His attention to detail is something i haven't seen. I keep saying to people, what I like about Billy is that he rolls out the same game week in, week out, with the same work ethic and work rate. Sometimes that equates to 12 touches and sometimes is equates to 25, but you know exactly what you'll get from him in terms of effort. His disposal is improving and he's not a crash and bash player, but he's inside stuff is improving."

Fair wrap up

Brenton Phillips, SANFL: "Billy's the most professional athlete I've ever coached. His attention to detail is something i haven't seen. I keep saying to people, what I like about Billy is that he rolls out the same game week in, week out, with the same work ethic and work rate. Sometimes that equates to 12 touches and sometimes is equates to 25, but you know exactly what you'll get from him in terms of effort. His disposal is improving and he's not a crash and bash player, but he's inside stuff is improving."

It's a good wrap but Brenton is renowned for this type of thing. I think 'Shifter' just gets him with the overflowing praise on kids but it's a very closely run race.

It's a good wrap but Brenton is renowned for this type of thing. I think 'Shifter' just gets him with the overflowing praise on kids but it's a very closely run race.

I reckon Mick Turner has them both covered.