John Butcher

[Gorgoroth 12,947]

I was reading the paper with the Butcher interview and the list of injuries he has had, if we draft him will his body hold up, a lot of injuries so early seems a risk.

I must admit I have not seen him play and have not really seen all his talent other than in highlights but are his injuries going to put a mark next his name?

[e25 5]

I was concerned about this too. So many injuries at a young age doesn't bode well.

But... I'm not a doctor and this sort of thing may be normal for a young guy of his size. It doesn't seem to have stopped him playing much, or affected his development as a footballer.

Let the experts worry about these things.

[DeeM 42]

i agree but lets just remember the last player to be over looked beasue of his injuries......C Judd.

[mo64 5,874]

i agree but lets just remember the last player to be over looked beasue of his injuries......C Judd.

Joel Sellwood is a more recent example of a player who was overlooked because of his injuries.

[cooko 124]

Joel Sellwood is a more recent example of a player who was overlooked because of his injuries.

so was buddy apparently!

[Jarka 767]

Joel Sellwood is a more recent example of a player who was overlooked because of his injuries.

Muston is a good example, debuting after 4 or 5 frustrating years. Grimes probably also slide to our 2nd pick because of his back, Varcoe at the cats is another because of his foot.

[drdrake 3,163]

Hopefully Richmond take him and we get Scully, we are not going to finish last. In the last 12 games I give us a real chance against Richmond, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast and an outside chance against Syney, Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton. Lucky for us Fremantle and West Coast will take WA Kids with there first picks as we might not get a pick until No 4.

[Sleeve 67]

Hopefully Richmond take him and we get Scully, we are not going to finish last. In the last 12 games I give us a real chance against Richmond, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast and an outside chance against Syney, Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton. Lucky for us Fremantle and West Coast will take WA Kids with there first picks as we might not get a pick until No 4.

I find it very unlikely that we'll win another 3 games, yet alone 5 with the possibility of close to 8.

I cannot fault the tackling or the pressure applied by our guys but our turnovers and our inability to kick a winning score due to our poor forward line will curtail any plans of a run of victories in the second part of our season.

We'll end up with either Butcher or Scully if they go 1 or 2, we know as the season progress' there will be a bolter or 2 come draft time.

I personally agree with Butcher, who'd want to go and play for a team that deliberately loses games?

[H_T 3,043]

I personally agree with Butcher, who'd want to go and play for a team that deliberately loses games?

He'd be hard pressed to find any evidence of that, apart from Rd 22, 2007. (dah...da..da...dada..)

I hope he's been watching the Dees of late anyway.

[Sleeve 67]

He'd be hard pressed to find any evidence of that, apart from Rd 22, 2007. (dah...da..da...dada..)

I hope he's been watching the Dees of late anyway.

Agreed, I'd say it was a question posed to him and the entire story hasn't been put forward. How often do we see journo's only printing what they want!!!

[MadAsHell 4,212]

We will end up in one of these draft pick scenarios and this is what we should do if faced with each one:

*Finish last winning 4 games or less

1 & 2 = Scully & Butcher

*Finish 15th winning 4 games or less

1 & 3 = Butcher & Christensen (Geelong Falcons)

*Finish last winning more then 4 games

1 = Scully

*Finish 15th winning more then 4 games

2 = Butcher

[Adam The God 30,220]

I was reading the paper with the Butcher interview and the list of injuries he has had, if we draft him will his body hold up, a lot of injuries so early seems a risk.

I must admit I have not seen him play and have not really seen all his talent other than in highlights but are his injuries going to put a mark next his name?

To be honest, I was more concerned about his attitude. What an arrogant little [censored]. You haven't been drafted yet, get off your high horse.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

To be honest, I was more concerned about his attitude. What an arrogant little [censored]. You haven't been drafted yet, get off your high horse.

He sounds like a Fevola or a Richardson in the making!

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Hopefully Richmond take him and we get Scully, we are not going to finish last. In the last 12 games I give us a real chance against Richmond, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast and an outside chance against Syney, Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton. Lucky for us Fremantle and West Coast will take WA Kids with there first picks as we might not get a pick until No 4.

drdrake, your optimism is overriding the reality atm. we are getting better, but the game plan will take a couple of years yet, and our players make costly errors by hand and foot. we get murdered on the turn overs.

frankly, i can't see us winning any more games, but that's okay because there's finally some direction with the club.

[cooko 124]

*Finish 15th winning 4 games or less

1 & 3 = Butcher & Christensen (Geelong Falcons)

be interesting to see who emerges as the number 3 pick.. i think kane lucas and mckenzie have a fair shot at that spot too

[Adam The God 30,220]

Agreed, I'd say it was a question posed to him and the entire story hasn't been put forward. How often do we see journo's only printing what they want!!!

This is a good point, however.

[Its Miller time 6]

Gumbleton perhaps should of been overlooked so early due to injuries but hopefully for him he can still turn it around. Possibly the guy from Collingwood with glass shoulders too.

[drdrake 3,163]

We play Port, Fremantle, West Coast, Richmond at the MCG plus North at Edihad, these five games we can win. We forget that the last 5 weeks we have played the top four sides from last year and West Coast at Subi. Our back 12 games are against only 3-4 teams that will make the final eight and 5 teams that will finish in the bottom 6.

[Guest sticksmorton]

Is Christensen an inside type player? I haven't seen him play, but he looks like his built like a Moloney or Jones. If so, we dont need another of his type. An outside mid-fielder like Stephen Hill from Freo or Scully who can play both would be perfect with another key position player.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Is Christensen an inside type player? I haven't seen him play, but he looks like his built like a Moloney or Jones. If so, we dont need another of his type. An outside mid-fielder like Stephen Hill from Freo or Scully who can play both would be perfect with another key position player.

He's an outside midfield type (In the mold of Michael Long funily enough). Think they said there's a Long/Rioli family relation in there somehow. He's about 177cm I think, really fast and classy. Was one of the best for Vic Country on sunday and kicked a goal also.

[btdemon 482]

He's an outside midfield type (In the mold of Michael Long funily enough). Think they said there's a Long/Rioli family relation in there somehow. He's about 177cm I think, really fast and classy. Was one of the best for Vic Country on sunday and kicked a goal also.

177, fast and classy sounds like Davey. We need a Judd like player who can play inside but can explode out of stoppages with speed and great disposal. Scully is a bit small but fits this description.

[Neita3000 37]

There is a WA kid called Morabito who's been impressing apparently

[titan_uranus 25,000]

Hopefully Richmond take him and we get Scully, we are not going to finish last. In the last 12 games I give us a real chance against Richmond, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle and West Coast and an outside chance against Syney, Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton. Lucky for us Fremantle and West Coast will take WA Kids with there first picks as we might not get a pick until No 4.

Come on, you think we've got an outside chance against Brisbane, in Brisbane? I think you're being very optimistic there.

To be honest, I was more concerned about his attitude. What an arrogant little [censored]. You haven't been drafted yet, get off your high horse.

That's the first thing I thought as well. Maybe that was in reference to the WA teams, since he probably would prefer to stay in Victoria.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

177, fast and classy sounds like Davey. We need a Judd like player who can play inside but can explode out of stoppages with speed and great disposal. Scully is a bit small but fits this description.

I'm hoping Grimes, Morton and Strauss can fill that void for us in the future or possibly even Sylvia if they ever release him into the midfield. Christensen could compliment these players with his run and carry along with Davey and Blease, however I to would rather Scully. I only think they should recruit Christensen if they end up with picks 1 & 3 so they will have a tall forward and a midfielder from the draft. If we were to take Scully at 1 in this scenario we would end up with 2 midfielders as you'd suspect whoever had pick 2 would draft Butcher.

[deanox 9,912]

We will end up in one of these draft pick scenarios and this is what we should do if faced with each one:

*Finish last winning 4 games or less

1 & 2 = Scully & Butcher

*Finish 15th winning 4 games or less

1 & 3 = Butcher & Christensen (Geelong Falcons)

*Finish last winning more then 4 games

1 = Scully

*Finish 15th winning more then 4 games

2 = Butcher

i disagree stongly. if we think that scully is the best player in the draft (ie good enough for pick 1 in two of your scenarios, and apparently another club thinks scully will be the best in scenario 4) then we should pick him first in every case.