New Leadership Group

[Yencks 8]

Captain: James McDonald

VC: Cameron Bruce

-Brad Miller

-Brad Green

-Brock Mclean

-Brent Moloney

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl...0-19769,00.html

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[Rogue 585]

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Pretty much as expected.

All bar Moloney were virtually locks for a leadership nod.

[QueenC 74]

Pretty much as expected.

All bar Moloney were virtually locks for a leadership nod.

Yeah, no great shocks in that lot......

Besides, wasn't Molony voted into the leadership group in the latter half of last season?

[JACKATTACK 17]

Would prefer to see Davey in ahead of/as well as Moloney. I have no doubt there are quite a few young players who look to him for guidance, and making his position more official could only help in that regard.

[Pipefitter 2,110]

I agree with moloney ahead of davey. In terms of putting your head over the ball who better to look at then moloney. Injury free year fingers crossed.

[45HG 1,539]

Junior is certainly the odd one out.

Bruce Brad Brad Brock and Brent

[Sideshow Bob 2,195]

Beamer took the kids away during the mid season break last year. They went down to warnambool for a bit of boxing training under the guidance of himself and his old boxing coach, from what i can recall they all loved it, he is really looked up to by the kids

[dee-luded 2,958]

Captain: James McDonald

VC: Cameron Bruce

-Brad Miller

-Brad Green

-Brock Mclean

-Brent Moloney

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl...0-19769,00.html

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Captain: James McDonald

VC: Cameron Bruce

-Brad Miller

-Brad Green

-Brock Mclean

-Brent Moloney

tough nuts who'll run straight lines at the ball or at the ball carrier.

[Nasher 33,490]

Junior is certainly the odd one out.

Bruce Brad Brad Brock and Brent

That's a bit of a stretch there 45. You realise his first name is Cameron right?

[e25 5]

Captain: James McDonald

VC: Cameron Bruce

-Brad Miller

-Brad Green

-Brock Mclean

-Brent Moloney

tough nuts who'll run straight lines at the ball or at the ball carrier.

I'd put Green in that category too, personally.

& that's not to say Bruce is soft either.

[45HG 1,539]

That's a bit of a stretch there 45. You realise his first name is Cameron right?

haha Cameron Ey? That's a bit confusing, can we just call you Bruce?

[mo64 5,293]

Leadership groups are the most overrated and irrelevant part of football. Every player should train and play at their utmost, regardless of their leadership status.

[Yencks 8]

Leadership groups are the most overrated and irrelevant part of football. Every player should train and play at their utmost, regardless of their leadership status.

disagree: they usually have a big say in a lot of the team decisions and usually get the final say on player punishments etc etc and at some clubs, have a bit of a say in the selection process also.

[e25 5]

Leadership groups are the most overrated and irrelevant part of football. Every player should train and play at their utmost, regardless of their leadership status.

In your opinion.

I think it helps to give the players more of a feeling of ownership & responsibility.

Much the same as rotating the captaincy a la Grant Thomas did.

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

I would have liked to see a representative form the backline in there as well.

No problems with those that have been selected though, maybe one more though to cover the whole ground on game day.

[mo64 5,293]

disagree: they usually have a big say in a lot of the team decisions and usually get the final say on player punishments etc etc and at some clubs, have a bit of a say in the selection process also.

So elaborate on "big say in a lot of team decisions" And what, you need to elect a group to determine punishments for bad behavior? Why can't the football department make the decision? And look at the leadership group within the Australian cricket team. When it comes to handing out punishments, it's been a farce because of the mateship amongst the players.

As for team selection, are you saying that the leadership group has a bit of a say in the selection process? Rubbish, the captain may get asked for his opinions, but that's where it ends.

[biggestred 4,504]

haha Cameron Ey? That's a bit confusing, can we just call you Bruce?

nice one bruce

[e25 5]

So elaborate on "big say in a lot of team decisions" And what, you need to elect a group to determine punishments for bad behavior? Why can't the football department make the decision? And look at the leadership group within the Australian cricket team. When it comes to handing out punishments, it's been a farce because of the mateship amongst the players.

As for team selection, are you saying that the leadership group has a bit of a say in the selection process? Rubbish, the captain may get asked for his opinions, but that's where it ends.

The setting of punishments by your peers rather than by the football department greatly impacts the reaction of the player being punished.

If you can't see that, then you're... you.

The punishments in the Australian Cricket team are poorly handled, but I would accredit that to poor leadership and a poor leadership structure.

Within AFL football I can't see a similar situation happening.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Would prefer to see Davey in ahead of/as well as Moloney. I have no doubt there are quite a few young players who look to him for guidance, and making his position more official could only help in that regard.

Agreed. But not instead of... as well as.

Beamer took the kids away during the mid season break last year. They went down to warnambool for a bit of boxing training under the guidance of himself and his old boxing coach, from what i can recall they all loved it, he is really looked up to by the kids

This has me surprised. To see him grow up like this. When he came to the club he had a reputation of being a bit of a peanut. If his hardships on and off the field have refined him, then that's something I'd be thrilled to see. As a side note I spoke to a guy who lives and breathes Geelong, and he said he thought when Prismall was lost that it was nothing next to losing Beamer.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Captain: James McDonald

VC: Cameron Bruce

-Brad Miller

-Brad Green

-Brock Mclean

-Brent Moloney

tough nuts who'll run straight lines at the ball or at the ball carrier.

Brad Green runs as straight a line as any player you have highlighted.

Leadership groups are the most overrated and irrelevant part of football. Every player should train and play at their utmost, regardless of their leadership status.

The fact is that every player does not always train and play at their utmost. The word "should" is a cloud used by people to forgo the reality.

So what your workable alternative to leadership groups Mo?

The setting of punishments by your peers rather than by the football department greatly impacts the reaction of the player being punished.

If you can't see that, then you're... you.

Agree with that.

However all punishments put forward by the leadership group would be subject to ratification by the Footy department.

The punishments in the Australian Cricket team are poorly handled, but I would accredit that to poor leadership and a poor leadership structure.

The ACB handles out the punishments to players (eg Simmonds) not any player leadership group.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Would prefer to see Davey in ahead of/as well as Moloney. I have no doubt there are quite a few young players who look to him for guidance, and making his position more official could only help in that regard.

After plateauing for the past two years or so I am not sure where Davey as a player is at the moment. I question his temperament in big games and his explosion and performance in the 2006 elimination final was enough to suggest to me that he is not a leader in my book.

Prefer others and let him concentrate on his game.

This has me surprised. To see him grow up like this. When he came to the club he had a reputation of being a bit of a peanut. If his hardships on and off the field have refined him, then that's something I'd be thrilled to see. As a side note I spoke to a guy who lives and breathes Geelong, and he said he thought when Prismall was lost that it was nothing next to losing Beamer.

FWIW, having met Beamer and spoke with him at a couple of functions I have found him personable and honest and was not aware of any reputational issues that he had. His efforts with the kids is consistent with the impressions Beamer has made with me.

[mo64 5,293]

The ACB handles out the punishments to players (eg Simmonds) not any player leadership group.

Wrong as usual Rhino. His prior offences of turning up to a game in England p#ssed and deciding to go fishing were both handled by the leadership group. Believe it or not, his latest indiscretion was considered a 1st offence by the ACB, hence the fine and no suspension.

As for your belief that you need leadership groups to get the best out of players, why the hell do we have a cast of thousands in the football dept.? IMO, that's their job. And that's where your alternative lies. Your conduit between the players and the coaching dept. would be the capt., vc, and dvc.

[mo64 5,293]

The setting of punishments by your peers rather than by the football department greatly impacts the reaction of the player being punished.

If you can't see that, then you're... you.

Yeah, whatever punsishment Carroll and McLean received for their overseas escapades had a profound influence on them. Their reaction was to re-offend 5 minutes later.

And for what it's worth, I don't believe that Mclean's offences required anything more than a quiet word from the coach.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Wrong as usual Rhino. His prior offences of turning up to a game in England p#ssed and deciding to go fishing were both handled by the leadership group. Believe it or not, his latest indiscretion was considered a 1st offence by the ACB, hence the fine and no suspension.

No Mo...you are wrong as usual.

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/australia/...ory/211376.html

"After the shock defeat [against Bangladesh], Ponting, John Buchanan and Steve Bernard - captain, coach and manager - met to discuss the issue [symonds], and exchanged views with Cricket Australia headquarters in Melbourne."

Isnt that akin to the footy dept Mo?

Also.... it was his first offence by the ACB at verbal abuse of a player from another team not his first offense overall. And given Symond Test/ODI career is all but finished (this event is but another nail in the coffin), I dont think a suspension would be much of a penalty. Just like a Court condemning a dead man to life imprisonment. The fine was more appropriate.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/30/2478184.htm

"During the 2005 Ashes tour Symonds showed up drunk for a one-day game and was threatened with the sack by CA's chief executive James Sutherland."

The ACB is well aware that while he is a contracted player, Symonds represents a PR timebomb waiting to go off. They are well aware of the problem but need to manage him while contracted to avoid negative PR implications for cricket.

As for your belief that you need leadership groups to get the best out of players, why the hell do we have a cast of thousands in the football dept.? IMO, that's their job. And that's where your alternative lies. Your conduit between the players and the coaching dept. would be the capt., vc, and dvc.

Do you understand what the various roles in the football department do? Clearly not and its consistent with your grasp of other matters.

"capt., vc, and dvc" - And they call that a leadership group Mo. But of course you think they are overrated.Good grief And I thought you had an alternative to back up another whinge Mo.

Yeah, whatever punsishment Carroll and McLean received for their overseas escapades had a profound influence on them. Their reaction was to re-offend 5 minutes later.

And for what it's worth, I don't believe that Mclean's offences required anything more than a quiet word from the coach.

There was no punishment given to McLean and Carroll from their overseas escapades by the Club.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...from=public_rss

Disciplinary action represents a fork in the road for all players. Its their choice how they respond. Carroll chose the wrong way and he is gone. McLean has taken the right road and he is now an effective leader and has not re offended. Maybe the Club had a quiet word in McLean's ear after the Greek holiday but after further indiscretions he got suspended by his peer from the leadership group. And hasn't he turned it around?

[mo64 5,293]

I know that there aren't any emoticons in the article, but see if you can comprehend this:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,2...1-23212,00.html