Ouch...

[praha 10,294]

Tough, but true.

Letter in the Your Say in HUN today.

Demon forwards need lounges

So the AFL Players Association is concerned the Melbourne team only had six weeks off "work" before they started again this year.

Most people work twice the hours for one-tenth of the pay, and if they achieved what Melbourne did this year they wouldn't have a job.

Deric Liddlelow, Leopold

[True Believer 1]

Tough, but true.

Letter in the Your Say in HUN today.

must admit when I read this, I also said OUCH !!!!... but how true

[titan_uranus 22,565]

Brings home a bit of reality.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

Its what i always thought. 2008 was completely unnacceptable. Any more of those & we are finished. To all those who think we need to bottom out again, I doubt we could afford that. Sponsors would walk. Who wants to be associated with losers. MFC must be bold

[Guest Schtacker]

Its what i always thought. 2008 was completely unnacceptable. Any more of those & we are finished. To all those who think we need to bottom out again, I doubt we could afford that. Sponsors would walk. Who wants to be associated with losers. MFC must be bold

yes but you don't have your facts straight

we need ONE more draft pillage, ONE more year of being losers, THEN we get better

as somebody said recently 1 more year of pain for 15 years reward

you do the math

[e25 5]

yes but you don't have your facts straight

we need ONE more draft pillage, ONE more year of being losers, THEN we get better

as somebody said recently 1 more year of pain for 15 years reward

you do the math

*sigh* if only it were that simple...

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

yes but you don't have your facts straight

we need ONE more draft pillage, ONE more year of being losers, THEN we get better

as somebody said recently 1 more year of pain for 15 years reward

you do the math

The Gold coast recieve a heap of picks next year before the draft is open to anybody else. The Days of bottoming out are OVER. I wish posters here would understand this.

[Pello 1]

The Gold coast recieve a heap of picks next year before the draft is open to anybody else. The Days of bottoming out are OVER. I wish posters here would understand this.

Is the priority pick gone as well if we don't win more than 4 1/2 games and finish on the bottom?

[e25 5]

The Gold coast recieve a heap of picks next year before the draft is open to anybody else. The Days of bottoming out are OVER. I wish posters here would understand this.

No, that's wrong. GC17 has access to any 17 year olds they want to sign. No picks.

[Redleg 37,891]

No, that's wrong. GC17 has access to any 17 year olds they want to sign. No picks.

Correct.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

Correct.

Thats not what i have heard, but i am not going to argue-whatever the answer we cannot afford the luxury of Mediocrity next year, Hawthorn had that luxury because of the success in the 80's & 90's. We must aim higher next year

[Guest Schtacker]

The Gold coast recieve a heap of picks next year before the draft is open to anybody else. The Days of bottoming out are OVER. I wish posters here would understand this.

you must be joking

have you checked the other thread were you have also got this completely wrong?

there is one more year that you get a prize for being crap, 2009, and that will be our year to take pick 1 and 2

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The Days of bottoming out are OVER. I wish posters here would understand this.

You are wrong.

You make it sound like a choice. It is not. All Clubs will go through a phase of bottoming out at some stage as a natural outcome of the draft and salary cap as their list matures and their stars fade and retire. All Clubs will go through a bottoming out process at some stage. The issue is to manage the process and to prepare and maximise the talent you can take on the list.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

...we cannot afford the luxury of Mediocrity next year, Hawthorn had that luxury because of the success in the 80's & 90's. We must aim higher next year

Rubbish.

Given the state of the list, we might have to endure another tough year as our youth develops. Hawthorn were almost broke a couple of times over the past 10 years. The success you talk about was gathering dust on the shelf not interest in the bank.

I do agree we must aim to do better but we should also be realistic where our list is and where the improvement comes from and how long that will take to develop it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

You are wrong.

You make it sound like a choice. It is not. All Clubs will go through a phase of bottoming out at some stage as a natural outcome of the draft and salary cap as their list matures and their stars fade and retire. All Clubs will go through a bottoming out process at some stage. The issue is to manage the process and to prepare and maximise the talent you can take on the list.

No Melbourne have been "bottoming Out" & accepting Mediocrity for over 40 years. We cannot afford to do it anymore. If we do we will have the same History as Fitzroy. With the 2 new sides being created, this will give the AFL more leverage to oust any "Basket Cases" in the future.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

No Melbourne have been "bottoming Out" & accepting Mediocrity for over 40 years. We cannot afford to do it anymore. If we do we will have the same History as Fitzroy. With the 2 new sides being created, this will give the AFL more leverage to oust any "Basket Cases" in the future.

Funny you went from talking about next year to the last 40 years.

We are going to have to develop the current list and it will take time. We cant afford not to do it and do it properly. We then have to improve our capabilities off the field to ensure any success we have is real and enduring. The AFL are effectively "managing" Clubs like Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs and MFC. They have all the leverage currently to do it. They are not.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

Funny you went from talking about next year to the last 40 years.

We are going to have to develop the current list and it will take time. We cant afford not to do it and do it properly. We then have to improve our capabilities off the field to ensure any success we have is real and enduring. The AFL are effectively "managing" Clubs like Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs and MFC. They have all the leverage currently to do it. They are not.

Its just that i don;t want next year to be the same as the last 40+ years. It can't be. Sure the AFL will keep us alive on a drip feed, but at what cost. I don't believe we have the luxury of Tanking for Draft Picks. My Opinion

[Guest Schtacker]

No Melbourne have been "bottoming Out" & accepting Mediocrity for over 40 years. We cannot afford to do it anymore. If we do we will have the same History as Fitzroy. With the 2 new sides being created, this will give the AFL more leverage to oust any "Basket Cases" in the future.

PFFFFFFFFFFT LOL

Nice try changing your argument instead of just admitting you stuffed up what year GC are coming in

Your kind should have their keyboards confiscated :angry:

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

PFFFFFFFFFFT LOL

Nice try changing your argument instead of just admitting you stuffed up what year GC are coming in

Your kind should have their keyboards confiscated :angry:

Chill out & Have a cold beer Mate. Whatever the Situation with GC, i Don't care if i am right or wrong to be honest. I just disagree with "Bottoming out" again next year. We can't afford it.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I just disagree with "Bottoming out" again next year. We can't afford it.

So what are the options given the state of list to do otherwise?

[45HG 1,539]

Maybe we can opt out of the '09 season, and rejoin in 2010. That's how it works isn't it? Seriously, how do some people see our list?

What other games did we miss out on winning this year? How are we even remotely close to pushing for finals or anything else that would resemble not "bottoming out"?

[H_T 2,941]

Thats not what i have heard, but i am not going to argue-whatever the answer we cannot afford the luxury of Mediocrity next year, Hawthorn had that luxury because of the success in the 80's & 90's. We must aim higher next year

Firstly, there is no choice of mediocrity or bottoming out, at the end of the day a team is only as good as their list.

Secondly, Hawthorn didn't have that luxury of 'mediocrity' because of the success of the 80's up to '91 - that's nonsense - they're list over time changed. Hawthorn copped the same sort of backlash for their performances when Schwab and Judge was coaching.

Finally, there will be a collective effort next year to improve and play to win. Where we end up will be as only as good as our list allows it to. Now if thats in 13th, 15th or 16th position, so be it. As long as there are signs of a young developing list advancing - having turned the corner - we should all look forward to further improvement.

It may be mediocrity to you, but it might be a vast improvement on '07 at least. If you're wanting finals next year for the Dees- fingers crossed. But don't put your house on it, otherwise you will lose it.

[biggestred 4,342]

the thing is, the only thing that will reduce our "mediocrity" as you put it, is winning a flag.

well we are so far off that its not funny.

next year i want 100% effort 100% of the time.

if that means we come 16th with 1 win, well, thats fine with me.

our list is what it is. we all know we arent going to win flags with that list. so we dont have a choice, do we.

remember, the hawks finished 15th or 16th, then finished 13th. thats an improvement right there. it takes time. bailey is weeding out the crap and changing the culture of the club, slowly but surely.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,318]

Maybe we can opt out of the '09 season, and rejoin in 2010. That's how it works isn't it? Seriously, how do some people see our list?

What other games did we miss out on winning this year? How are we even remotely close to pushing for finals or anything else that would resemble not "bottoming out"?

Agree.

There was only 8 games this year that we where within 5 goals at half time. I actually can't remember a side so uncompetetive since Fitzroy.

[Guest grant]

I think if we botttom out next year (secure priority picks) the future will be kind to the dees... if GC and WS go as planned the competition will be diluted of talent and melbs youngsters will begin to mature and shine while clubs like Sydney and the dogs etc will suffer the most from age and inability to recruit

Dont be so myopic, yes times are [censored] now and every1 like to take a go at the club, but theres definately finals ahead. People forget the tough times hawthorn went through to get to where they are..