Harley Bennell arrested after NYE Brawl in WA

[jnrmac 19,059]

Harley Bennell, not Jamie......

Gold Coast star Harley Bennell charged after New Year's Eve brawl in Mandurah

[McQueen 17,864]

Harley Bennell, not Jamie......

Gold Coast star Harley Bennell charged after New Year's Eve brawl in Mandurah

Without getting slammed or labelled a racist, it's fair to say that WA's young indigenous boys haven't done their image any favours over the last few months.

Garlett

Williams

Bennell

And prior to recent events there's of course the feel good story of a thug come Sandover medalist come MOTY winner Andy Krak.

[Whispering_Jack 28,004]

Yeah, the white boys like Scotland and our boys from bay 13 are all choir boys.

[McQueen 17,864]

Yeah, the white boys like Scotland and our boys from bay 13 are all choir boys.

Fair dinkum it feels like you walk on broken glass around here sometimes.

[CBDees 3,162]

Without getting slammed or labelled a racist, it's fair to say that WA's young indigenous boys haven't done their image any favours over the last few months.

Garlett

Williams

Bennell

And prior to recent events there's of course the feel good story of a thug come Sandover medalist come MOTY winner Andy Krak.

I am glad that you didn't mention Jurrah!

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Yeah, the white boys like Scotland and our boys from bay 13 are all choir boys.

Our boys from bay 13 who did nothing more than take part in a popular activity while watching the cricket you mean? I hate to tell you this but they didn't assault anyone, didn't pee on the floor, didn't tie up a teammate and force alcohol down his throat and let's not forget, didn't actually cause any trouble at all. It doesn't really compare.

[gsmith12 491]

Yeah, the white boys like Scotland and our boys from bay 13 are all choir boys.

The antics of the 3 listed are hardly comparable to the what occurred in bay 13 - or whatever bay it was - Jack.

[old dee 22,927]

Fair dinkum it feels like you walk on broken glass around here sometimes.

Yep

[The Rebbe 30]

I would suggest that the severity of the alleged offence is not relevant when we're referring to wrongdoing and classifying them by creed or colour.

[Pennant St Dee 11,324]

Fair dinkum it feels like you walk on broken glass around here sometimes.

Mcqueen I worked Northbridge last night and they were are only problem. I'm hearing you lots of politics and people afraid to speak the truth. Chips on shoulders and everything is someone else's fault.

It's people feathering their own nest with BS jobs who need to answer questions, MIFSUD is the first to come to mind

On the other side of the coin good friends with many indigenous and they actually feel the same about the likes of MIFSUD and others in similar positions

[Tony Tea 2,790]

I wish our ex Bennell was as good as Gold Coast's troublesome Bennell.

[jnrmac 19,059]

I wish our ex Bennell was as good as Gold Coast's troublesome Bennell.

Why, he plays for West Coke now??

[Tony Tea 2,790]

Why, he plays for West Coke now??

He would still be playing for Melbourne is he was as good as Harley.

[McQueen 17,864]

Yeah, the white boys like Scotland and our boys from bay 13 are all choir boys.

If that's you're comparative analysis then you seriously have no idea of the gravity of this situation, Jack.

All of the other posters who liked your post are just as ignorant.

[rjay 23,925]

Mcqueen I worked Northbridge last night and they were are only problem. I'm hearing you lots of politics and people afraid to speak the truth. Chips on shoulders and everything is someone else's fault.

It's people feathering their own nest with BS jobs who need to answer questions, MIFSUD is the first to come to mind

On the other side of the coin good friends with many indigenous and they actually feel the same about the likes of MIFSUD and others in similar positions

This guy still has a lot of questions to answer the first one being, what does he do? with a follow up of, how effective is he at it?

When the integrity guys or whatever they are called finally finish their sham investigation of us then they should get right into his office and sort out a few things. After the buckets he tipped on some senior football people last season, one of them being our coach I don't know how he could possibly hold a position in the AFL.

Maybe a little off topic but it still p..... me off.

[Schneider 220]

if that is you are....

[Alcho Dee 269]

Didak.....cousins.... The list goes on. Non indig boys

[Alcho Dee 269]

I know relatives of bennell from WA...pretty wild on the [censored] those boys and can seriously fight. Hope he learns from his mistake because he's a joy to watch play AFL.

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

If that's you're comparative analysis then you seriously have no idea of the gravity of this situation, Jack.

All of the other posters who liked your post are just as ignorant.

That's pretty classy coming from someone who waded in here with amateur-hour racial profiling in the first place. And trying to anticipate criticism doesn't make that criticism invalid or unnecessary.

[Arrow 1,257]

That's pretty classy coming from someone who waded in here with amateur-hour racial profiling in the first place. And trying to anticipate criticism doesn't make that criticism invalid or unnecessary.

Not that I agree but I think the point he's trying to make is 'white' players make up 90% of the AFL and whilst they also have indiscretions the concern is the 10% of aboriginal players who are matching these muck-ups with a far smaller pool. Beat around the bush all we want but 3 aboriginal players were drafted this year and it is a sad reality because I don't believe they are to blame.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Maybe this deserves a more thorough analysis?

Indigenous people make up a very small percentage of the population in Australia, but there is a comparatively high percentage of indigenous AFL players.

Why is that?

At first glance, it appears to me that it is for 2 main reasons.

1/ to my simple understanding, genetically indigenous people on the whole have a physical make-up that makes them more athletically suited to the fast paced nature of the game. They have inherent agility and quickness, which is much harder to train in than a bigger engine. In comparison to caucasians, it would appear they have a genetic advantage, however slight that may be.

2/ many young indigenous people, especially in remote communities (to my limited knowledge) grow up with a footy in their hands, playing the game for hours and days and months longer than "normal" anglo kids (I apologise for lack of a better phrase, but I think you should know what I mean).

If we take the 10,000 hours concept as an example, these indigenous kids have practised the necessary skills far in excess of other kids the same age, and as a result, often exhibit comparatively exceptional skills.

So if we look at those 2 inherent advantages, being skill and athleticism, we may deduce that the advantage is not as great as it once was, or was perceived to be.

Alternatively, or in conjunction with that, we could say that maybe other qualities have been put at an equal or greater premium, where once they may have been overlooked more easily.

I'd guess those to be resilience, capacity for hard work, leadership, competitiveness.

Now that's not to say that indigenous people do not and cannot exhibit these traits.

But it's fair to say that they are not necessarily inherent traits in that race, nor are they in caucasian, asian, martian or whatever.

And as a result, maybe a truer representation of the population percentages is being shown in the AFL.

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

Not that I agree but I think the point he's trying to make is 'white' players make up 90% of the AFL and whilst they also have indiscretions the concern is the 10% of aboriginal players who are matching these muck-ups with a far smaller pool. Beat around the bush all we want but 3 aboriginal players were drafted this year and it is a sad reality because I don't believe they are to blame.

I can't be quite as generous, since there was no reference in McQueen's post to white players. All he did was bundle together some very different 'indiscretions' merely on the pretext that these were committed (allegedly) by 'indigenous boys'.

Leave race out of it for the moment. Take 3 episodes: a footballer getting thrown out of a casino for being drunk, a footballer being found to associate with criminal types, a footballer leaving a stupid sexist message on Twitter, all during the same season . Then run an article or leave a post that says 'footballers haven't done their image any favours over the last few months'. How reasonable or logical is that? And is it in any way relevant to ask what point it makes about the 99% of people who aren't footballers?

In any case, according to Fox, Bennell was trying to help break up a fight, so maybe he wasn't being as indiscreet as McQueen wants to believe.

[rjay 23,925]

I can't be quite as generous, since there was no reference in McQueen's post to white players. All he did was bundle together some very different 'indiscretions' merely on the pretext that these were committed (allegedly) by 'indigenous boys'.

Leave race out of it for the moment. Take 3 episodes: a footballer getting thrown out of a casino for being drunk, a footballer being found to associate with criminal types, a footballer leaving a stupid sexist message on Twitter, all during the same season . Then run an article or leave a post that says 'footballers haven't done their image any favours over the last few months'. How reasonable or logical is that? And is it in any way relevant to ask what point it makes about the 99% of people who aren't footballers?

In any case, according to Fox, Bennell was trying to help break up a fight, so maybe he wasn't being as indiscreet as McQueen wants to believe.

So were a few other players last year...let the case take it's course, both sides of this debate.

[McQueen 17,864]

That's pretty classy coming from someone who waded in here with amateur-hour racial profiling in the first place. And trying to anticipate criticism doesn't make that criticism invalid or unnecessary.

Racial profiling is a bit rich. I was merely stating a fact but as always there a small number of posters who want to take it further and turn it into a racial debate. Would the responses have been different if I left the sentence out about anticipating criticism? Possibly. It was WJ that fired back with a barb about the "white boys."

As DL7 pointed out. The amount of indigenous players is dwindling. The image portrayed by the current indigenous players needs to be one of high professional conduct in order to not only keep clubs recruiting, but to also rub off on juniors so there is more talent coming through the system and not being lost through senseless acts of violence that result in jail time. Three out of the four indiscretions I mentioned were directly related to fights outside of night clubs. PSD pointed out earlier that you only need to take a night out in Northbridge to understand that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by young Aboriginal kids. If you want to continue on with your ignorance of an obvious theme then knock yourself out. I'm quite comfortable with what I've posted.

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

Racial profiling is a bit rich. I was merely stating a fact but as always there a small number of posters who want to take it further and turn it into a racial debate. Would the responses have been different if I left the sentence out about anticipating criticism? Possibly. It was WJ that fired back with a barb about the "white boys."

As DL7 pointed out. The amount of indigenous players is dwindling. The image portrayed by the current indigenous players needs to be one of high professional conduct in order to not only keep clubs recruiting, but to also rub off on juniors so there is more talent coming through the system and not being lost through senseless acts of violence that result in jail time. Three out of the four indiscretions I mentioned were directly related to fights outside of night clubs. PSD pointed out earlier that you only need to take a night out in Northbridge to understand that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by young Aboriginal kids. If you want to continue on with your ignorance of an obvious theme then knock yourself out. I'm quite comfortable with what I've posted.

Yeah, right, 'don't blame me, I only mentioned "indigenous boys" as a group. It's everyone else who want to see this as having something to do with race.' What you refuse to accept is that you imposed a racial category in the first place and used the behaviour of a few individuals as standing for the behaviour of a group.

That's straightforward stereotyping of course. I was just being a bit more euphemistic in calling it racial profiling. Actually I called it amateur-hour racial profiling to distinguish it from the real thing, which is what law enforcement agencies are said to do ... and which you also try to repeat with your 'the vast majority of violent crime ... blah blah'. Whether or not the 'vast majority' of anything is done by the members of any group doesn't make every member of that group culpable.

You're pretty free with claims about the ignorance of others. Perhaps you might start to look at your own. You might be comfortable with what you've posted, but it's your problem if you're uncomfortable with the responses you get.