Captain and Leadership Group ... Nearest the Pin

[DemonWA 3,436]

C: Green

VC: Trengove

LG: Grimes, Moloney, Jamar,

[old dee 22,854]

C: Green

VC: Trengove

LG: Grimes, Moloney, Jamar,

I almost agree with you

Swap Green and Moloney

[Jaded No More 57,896]

Co Captains: Trengove - Moloney

VC: Grimes

Leadership Group: Green, Jones, Frawley

[sydneydee 647]

Co Captains: Moloney - Grimes

VC: Trengove

LG: Jones, Frawley, Jamar

Green to concentrate on his game and earning the right to play 2013

[Harcourt 146]

There's been roughly 30 responses thus far with only 4 advocating the retention of the incumbent.

I think the Demonland site owners are prophetic in not having Green as one of the 7 players shown in their homepage banner. It's unusual to not have the club captain amongst the players you've chosen to be the face of the club as it moves forward, but they've got it right.

I don't think people are actually advocating anything in this thread though are they? I thought the point of the thread was to predict what will happen not what you want to happen..

I find deciding what I think and want to happen very difficult and I'm glad I'm not making the decision. All our potential leaders have question marks around them - Green (last year), Moloney (off field issues), Trenners (too young), Grimes (too injured).

FWIW:

I think they will go with

C Green

VC Moloney

LG - Rivers, Grimes, Trengove, Jamar, Jones.

Actually, I seriously have no idea at all. None.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,169]

Captain - J. Trengove

Vice - J. Grimes

LG - Green, Jones, Clark, Frawley

I dont really believe in leadership groups. Most players will have some type of leadership but I dont think it requires a title for the public. Should be in house.

It's your choice but I'm surprised you don't have Moloney somewhere in your list. Do you have a problem with him as a potential leader?

[Yokozuna 1,004]

Co-captains - Green and Trengove

VC - Moloney, Frawley, Jones, Rivers, Grimes

[Trisul 636]

C - Trengove

VC - Jones

LG - Rivers, Jamar, Grimes, Clark, Moloney

[Akum 2,660]

C Frawley Grimes Trengove LG Rivers Jones Moloney Green Garland

I reckon this is the closest. Had the feeling that the first Niall article was an orchestrated link, to get everybody used to the idea of co-captains, so that when they do announce it, it on't be a big deal.

And I think that instead of having 2 co-captains and a VC, you may as well have 3 co-captains - Grimes, Trengove & Frawley. Though that will depend on all 3 of them being at the top of the heap with the coaches' leadership attributes.

And they'll balance it up by having 3 senior players make up the leadership group - 3 out of Rivers, Jones, Green & Moloney.

Will be interesting to see how they divvy up the co-captaincy duties. Sounds like the start of a bad joke ... "How many co-captains does it take to toss a coin?"

[Kento80 83]

I do not like Co Captains at all, as i have said before it dilutes responsibility...."Too Many Cooks". But i will back the FD on this one.

If Co Captains are chosen it just highlights the vacuum of true leaders we have at present. Interesting times.

I can't agree that it highlights a vacuum of true leaders WYL, I think more that it is a lack of traditionally "ready" leaders. I don't think anyone can deny that Grimes, Trenners, and Jones are great leaders, it is just that everyone is worried about their ability to develop their game to the required levels whilst concentrating on their leadership abilities. I personally don't agree with this sentiment however. I firmly believe that Trenners is one of those rare players who was bred ready, and fully expect it to be a help to him and not a hinderance. I can say exactly the same for Grimes. I don't want to see him named Captain, purely because he needs to play majority of a season first, but the way he carries himself is exemplary. In a couple of years, who will they choose??

FWIW, my closest to the pin is as follows:

C - Trenners

VC - Grimes Jones

LG - Moloney, Green, McKenzie, Clark, Frawley

Edited January 24, 2012 by Kento80

[Sir Why You Little 34,462]

I can't agree that it highlights a vacuum of true leaders WYL, I think more that it is a lack of traditionally "ready" leaders. I don't think anyone can deny that Grimes, Trenners, and Jones are great leaders, it is just that everyone is worried about their ability to develop their game to the required levels whilst concentrating on their leadership abilities. I personally don't agree with this sentiment however. I firmly believe that Trenners is one of those rare players who was bred ready, and fully expect it to be a help to him and not a hinderance. I can say exactly the same for Grimes. I don't want to see him named Captain, purely because he needs to play majority of a season first, but the way he carries himself is exemplary. In a couple of years, who will they choose??

FWIW, my closest to the pin is as follows:

C - Trenners

VC - Grimes Jones

LG - Green, McKenzie, Clark, Frawley

For me Captains are bred from DNA....if it is there, it's there...so if Trengove has got it give it to him, and back him all the way..The idea of co captains to me only hinders the true leader...i know why it is done, but with a young group like ours and older players who i do not think will ever be great leaders...i think co captains may slow the process down...But it is just my gut feelings from outside.

We all HOPE Frank Grimes is a great leader, but it is still an unknown...Jones is a dam good footballer, but he is a surfer when not playing...he is not Captain material for mine....he is a great worker and servant...but loves his free time....and good luck to him.

Neeld and the Assistants are much closer than me....If it back fires the coach will burn...so Neeld i have faith will get it right.

Edited January 24, 2012 by why you little

[Lord Travis 10,165]

C - Green

VC - Moloney

LG - Grimes, Trengove, Jones, Frawley

It's too early for Trengove to become captain. He'd be the youngest captain in history. While he is my favorite player and a star in the making, he still has a ways to go to prove himself onfield. Let Green or Moloney captain for a year nd then reassess next year once Trengove, Grimes, Watts all have more experience and consistency under their belt.

[DeeZee 6,732]

captain - Grimes

vice - Trengove and Frawley

LG - Jones,Moloney,Jamar,Green

[The Chazz 4,077]

captain - Grimes

vice - Trengove and Frawley

LG - Jones,Moloney,Jamar,Green

Won't be far off the mark DeeZee.

One thing that I have only just thought of. Neeld first said that the Cpatain would be announced in March, but he has now brought it forward because he basically knows how he wants the whole thing to look and he has a fiar idea of who slots in to where. Reading between the lines (and he may have said it anyway), but someone obviously has stood out basically from the start regarding their leadership, and it didn't take long for Neeld to make up his mind.

To me, for a guy (Neeld) to be in the Club for the short time he has, I'm starting to think that there is only one logical choice. Think of it this way, Neeld's first main function that he attended was the Best & Fairest award. Now, before I go on, I don't buy in to this "blank canvas" crap, sure, there'll be some areas that he won't have a preconceived idea about, but leadership? C'mon.

Moloney won the B&F, but doesn't have offield leadership qualities. Frawley is the same as Moloney. Rivers, while in the leadership group last year, I can't see how he will be in 2012. Neeld saw first hand what Jared's onfield leadership is like when the going gets tough, and they (Collingwood) no that he is a weak link in our backline. Captain material? No.

He would be thinking anout Trengove, but there is so much to Trengove's game that needs developing. All premiership sides have stars, Trengove isn't one yet, we need him to be. If he focuses on football, he has every chance of being our best player.

Green, well, Neeld would surely have sat him down and asked WTF happened last year (in terms of how Brad handled the whole situation). Were the areas that he needs to work on enough for Neeld to be quite positive that between the new Football Department, Game Plan, and a new attitude from Brad that he should lead this Club in 2012? I think it is quite possible, but not one of us on here can say anything with a definitive answer.

That leaves Grimes. As I mentioned above, one of the first functions Neeld attened was the B&F. Having been at the Club for only days, Neeld would've sat back and saw Jack accept the Leadership Award, having played some 8 games? Surely any new coach would be watching how Jack operates around the Club after that effort. Then not only that, Jack obviously has the commitment of getting his body right - he was seen numerous times at AAMI Park in the gym, etc. He is the ultimate professional, the players obviously respect him, offield he is a very good media performer. I just feel that with Misson and Craig on board, one of their main priorities would be getting Grimes 100%.

As I earlier predicted, I can see a potential Green/Grimes co-captaincy, and I think this would be the best way for the Club to go. But I won't be surprised if Grimes gets the gig on his own.

[Damo 2,995]

...Jones is a dam good footballer, but he is a surfer when not playing...he is not Captain material for mine....

Yet if he were a what? Qantas Pilot, Rocket Surgeon, America's Cup skipper? He would be captain material.

[McQueen 17,863]

C - Grimes, Trengove (both have the tools - application to start this year)

VC - Green (was Captain during a difficult period and still has plenty to offer in a support role)

LG - Moloney, Jones, Frawley, Clark, (Belief that the LG group should be spread over the ground)

Col Garland and Jamar stiff to be over-looked.

[Pates 9,536]

Co-Captains: Moloney/Grimes

VC: Trengove

Group: Frawley, Russian, Green, Jones

[hardtack 10,127]

Yet if he were a what? Qantas Pilot, Rocket Surgeon, America's Cup skipper? He would be captain material.

Haha, yes I thought that a strange comment too... he has actually shown some leadership qualities in that area as well, having got Frawley on board (pardon the pun) and Clark I believe, has also expressed interest if he not already partaking in the odd wave.

[Guest Deefence]

C - Moloney

VC - Grimes, Trengove

LG - Jamar, Frawley, Green, Bartram, Jones

Rivers unlucky. Davey should have been in there, but lost his spot. Gut feeling that leadership will be harder bodies willing to do it Neelds way, hence Bartram. Green and Jones still very experienced, but not top job material.

Left field options - McKenzie, Macdonald, Bate.

Edited January 25, 2012 by Deefence

[Guest Deefence]

Jones is a dam good footballer, but he is a surfer when not playing...he is not Captain material for mine....he is a great worker and servant...but loves his free time....and good luck to him.

Gobsmacked at this comment. So, because Jones has some sort of a social life (that we know about), he shouldn't captain the club? That's like saying the ideal candidate for a CEO position shouldn't get it because he plays golf on the weekend.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Why You Little is commenting on Demonland when not watching the football. Not a true supporter for mine.

[Sir Why You Little 34,462]

Gobsmacked at this comment. So, because Jones has some sort of a social life (that we know about), he shouldn't captain the club? That's like saying the ideal candidate for a CEO position shouldn't get it because he plays golf on the weekend.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Why You Little is commenting on Demonland when not watching the football. Not a true supporter for mine.

Big statement there Sunshine. Nate should be in the leadership group but he is not captain material. I make that assumption having followed his facebook for the past 2 years. His comments are not those of a 24/7 leader. He enjoys his freedom too much, and good on him.

[H_T 2,941]

So you make an assumption by following his facebook for the past 2 years. Wow.

Whilst I'm no 'Jones for captain' cheerleader, deefence has you pegged.

[Sir Why You Little 34,462]

So you make an assumption by following his facebook for the past 2 years. Wow.

Whilst I'm no 'Jones for captain' cheerleader, deefence has you pegged.

why would you say that? Jonesy is a "happy go lucky" type of guy. It comes across very strongly each day. Waves Movies & a good feed is what he wants after a hard train.

Not the captain type. Nobody has me pegged HT and why bother? Bit tired of the civil war that goes on around here. People have differing opinions..for all sorts of reasons. Nobody on here is 100% correct although some try and ram it down your throat so hard in the hope it will stick.

I used to live with surfers back in the 80's and i assure you none of them wanted to much responsibility. A captain of an AFL side is on call almost 24/7 with media. That is not the game of Nate Jones.

Edited January 25, 2012 by why you little

[The Chazz 4,077]

why would you say that? Jonesy is a "happy go lucky" type of guy. It comes across very strongly each day. Waves Movies & a good feed is what he wants after a hard train.

Not the captain type. Nobody has me pegged HT and why bother? Bit tired of the civil war that goes on around here. People have differing opinions..for all sorts of reasons. Nobody on here is 100% correct although some try and ram it down your throat so hard in the hope it will stick.

I used to live with surfers back in the 80's and i assure you none of them wanted to much responsibility. A captain of an AFL side is on call almost 24/7 with media. That is not the game of Nate Jones.

Gee WYL, you're not covering yourself in glory here buddy.

You say that it is not the game of Chunk with such certainty. How the bloody hell would you know? Facebook? Twitter? Seriously mate. He goes for a surf on his days off, so what. I'm quite sure that if he had captaincy tasks that he needed to do on his days off that the surfing would take the back seat for a while. What did Green do on his days off in 2011? We have no bloody idea, but I'm quite sure he wasn't sitting by the phone waiting for his next possible leadership commitment.

Come to think of it, what did Ablett get up to in 2011 when he had days off? From memory he was every-bloody-where and loving it. The media created a bit of a storm about his leadership role, but I don't recall the Gold Coast outting their foot down.

[Hiram Cowfreak 75]

The captaincy this time around is anything but clear. When Mark Neeld disclosed that a decision had been made I got the impression the choice was clear cut and one player stood out.

Stuffed if I can work out who though!

Anyway my closest to the pin is:

Captain: Chip Frawley

Vice-Captain: Jack Grimes

Leadership Group: Moloney, Davey, Green, Trengove, Rivers,Russian