2 hours ago, demoncat said:

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

I get what your saying DC, but Trac, Clarry and there contracts are not the reason we can attract talent. And trading out our guns (all be it they are underperforming) doesn't help us at all if we don't get any value back for them. Its not like we would get top 10 picks to replace them. Is a pick in the mid 20's (in a below average draft) going to replace even a diminished Clayton Oliver. Highly doubtful.

People keep banging on about "clearing space in the cap" but to them I ask......for Who?

Know one of high caliber wants to come to us. And to be fair I don't blame them. We are Cleary on the decline and the club is a mess (at least that's the outsiders perception). I would argue trading out our best players makes it even harder to attract talent.

If we are going to trade in players to get us out of this whole its going to be fringe role players like Hibberd and Langdon types that would should be chasing. And players like that don't break the bank.

I personally just feel the upside of Trac and Clarry getting back to even 80% of there best is worth way more to us then a few late picks.

27 minutes ago, Brenno said:

I get what your saying DC, but Trac, Clarry and there contracts are not the reason we can attract talent. And trading out our guns (all be it they are underperforming) doesn't help us at all if we don't get any value back for them. Its not like we would get top 10 picks to replace them. Is a pick in the mid 20's (in a below average draft) going to replace even a diminished Clayton Oliver. Highly doubtful.

People keep banging on about "clearing space in the cap" but to them I ask......for Who?

Know one of high caliber wants to come to us. And to be fair I don't blame them. We are Cleary on the decline and the club is a mess (at least that's the outsiders perception). I would argue trading out our best players makes it even harder to attract talent.

If we are going to trade in players to get us out of this whole its going to be fringe role players like Hibberd and Langdon types that would should be chasing. And players like that don't break the bank.

I personally just feel the upside of Trac and Clarry getting back to even 80% of there best is worth way more to us then a few late picks.

That’s a good perspective Brenno and one I largely agree with

I just think it’s part of the cost benefit analysis you do when assessing your list

Sure we won’t bring in two draft picks or players whose best is comparable to Trac and Clarry (when they’re fit and firing), but can we bring in multiple players who in the sum of their parts make us a better team?

The answer might be no and as much as we want change it’s better to retain our most of our senior players - I just hope the club is open to these conversations more than anything

It would also depend on what we are prepared to give up or pay for.

IE, if we traded Oliver to Geelong, how much of his salary are we still going to have to pay? The more we pay, maybe the higher the pick we get. But then the math of it makes it a little pointless.

If we are paying 500k of his reported 1 million a year, they we get another player in on 5-600k, then i dont see the why you would do that. Sure, we may have a high draft pick, but in this draft its going to be about 40 buy the time all the academy and father son picks are done.

Is that some one, either the drafted player or mature age traded in player going to be better the Oliver at his current output?????? Id highly doubt it.

Just now, Demons11 said:

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

7 hours ago, demoncat said:

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

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our list manager needs to be sacked i reckon. he's botched it completely

9 hours ago, SadDee said:

Can you add some first names, few with the same names.

Is this also a bit of trade rumour?

The only trade rumour I know is that Geelong are still interested in Oliver.

1. Stephen May

2. Jacob van Rooyen

3. Christian Salem

4. Judd McVee

5. Christian Petracca

6. Caleb Windsor

7. Jack Viney

8. Jake Lever

9. Oscar Allen\Joe Daniher

10. Daniel Turner

11. Max Gawn

12. Koltyn Tholstrup

13. Clayton Oliver\ Geelong's first rounder

14. Toby Sinnema

15. Ed Langdon

16. Bailey Laurie

17. Jake Bowey

18. Jake Melksham

19. Harvey Langford

20. Xavier Lindsay

21. Matthew Jefferson

22. Blake Howes

23. Shane McAdam

24. Trent Rivers

25. Wade Derken

26. Jed Adams

27. Mitch Hardie

28. Will Verrall

29. Tom Campbell

30. Harry Sharp

31. Bailey Fritsch

32. Tom Sparrow

33. Oscar Berry

34. Kalani White

35. Harrison Petty

36. Kysaiah Pickett

37. Kade Chandler

38. Ollie Sestan

39. Ricky Mentha

40. Vacant

41. Vacant

42. Aidan Johnson

43. Jack Henderson

44. Luker Kentfield

45. Andy Moniz-Wakefield

46. Jai Culley

Edited Monday at 14:402 days by WERRIDEE

I for one feel that the list is potentially in a much better place than it might seem. Though we're going to need some luck with injuries.

If we need to find improvement from within, then it needs to come from the younger players, as they're the ones with the most unrealised potential. But many have been set back by injury: from players like McVee (only just now getting going?), Windsor (same?) to players like Kolt, Linsday, Kentfield who were never going to be overcome injuries pre/early season. Then you add AMW who was tracking well at the back end of 2024, and even Lever who should be at peak performance but whose season (and career?) is shot with foot injuries and whatnot.

Similar for Harry Petty (only 25), who hasn't been himself for a couple of seasons now with one thing after the other, but was a really strong key defender for us prior to that. And have we even begun to see what Aidan Johnson can bring? His performance in the VFL last weekend is a one-off for the moment, but he's another who could perhaps step up and really fill a forward/backup ruck void. Slightly similar story for Seston, was also tracking well until injury has pretty ruled out his year.

Not all the above will make it, or at least make it enough to make a difference, but there's enough there to be optimistic about without wringing our hands about not being able to bring in talent. Perhaps that's the case, but there's plenty of unrealised potential on the list as well.

Edited Monday at 15:162 days by bing181

On 24/06/2025 at 15:21, Greg Schneider said:

What about last year when Tim Lamb was going to trade out the picks that nabbed us Langford and Lindsay for a 28 year old Dan Houston who would’ve helped us get from 14th to 12th and Alan Richardson went ‘we need to get older not younger’ then oh wait never mind we need to go to the draft let’s rebuild talk about a pair of gooses that don’t know where we are. 0 faith.

Lamb was never going to do this deal. Thats why we pulled out and Houston went elsewhere. It was only ever going to be a teen pick but we dropped down the ladder as the season went on and we said no.

11 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Lamb was never going to do this deal. Thats why we pulled out and Houston went elsewhere. It was only ever going to be a teen pick but we dropped down the ladder as the season went on and we said no.

Can't believe there's still fans out there that think we were the ones that pulled out of the Houston deal. HE pulled out of it because we were looking like a complete basket case, that's a fact. I have no doubt that Lamb would've offloaded one if not two first rounders for him, it's what history suggests and how he rolls, he just wants to get the deal done.

4 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Can't believe there's still fans out there that think we were the ones that pulled out of the Houston deal. HE pulled out of it because we were looking like a complete basket case, that's a fact. I have no doubt that Lamb would've offloaded one if not two first rounders for him, it's what history suggests and how he rolls, he just wants to get the deal done.

You have your facts I have mine. Melb was never going to use pick 5 on Houston so deal was off.

3 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

You have your facts I have mine. Melb was never going to use pick 5 on Houston so deal was off.

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne De...

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne Demons trade after reports...

Straight from the horse’s mouth, but your ‘facts’ are that WE were the ones that pulled out? 😂

10 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne De...

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne Demons trade after reports...

Straight from the horse’s mouth, but your ‘facts’ are that WE were the ones that pulled out? 😂

afl.com.au

'I am not leaving': Power star shuts down trade rumours

Star defender Dan Houston says he's rejecting offers from rival clubs and is staying at Port Adelaide

Straight from the horses mouth. Fact is never believe anything a player says in regard to trades and you've fell for it hard.

Edited yesterday at 00:251 day by BangBnagBang

4 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

afl.com.au

'I am not leaving': Power star shuts down trade rumours

Star defender Dan Houston says he's rejecting offers from rival clubs and is staying at Port Adelaide

Straight from the horses mouth. Fact is never believe anything a player says in regard to trades and you've fell for it hard.

Jeez the red and blue goggles are strong with this one. Pathetic actually.

I just realised something amazing. Did you know Dustin Fletcher is only 50!

As May gets to the end and with Lever looking a little shaky, I reckon we should be giving him a phone call.

Not sure if he'd be interested, but we'd be crazy not to ask.

Also, Rhyce Conca. THIRTY-TWO! That's the new 23 for the AFL. Already at the club and you know he's fit as a fiddle.

Make the call, Timmy Lamb. Actually, make it a conference call. Fletcher, Daniher, Conca and, [censored] it, see what Ryan Gamble is up to.

25 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

afl.com.au

'I am not leaving': Power star shuts down trade rumours

Star defender Dan Houston says he's rejecting offers from rival clubs and is staying at Port Adelaide

Straight from the horses mouth. Fact is never believe anything a player says in regard to trades and you've fell for it hard.

So i can't believe what Houston has to say, but can I believe what our own list manager says? Or because that doesn't fit your completely fabricated narrative, he must be lying as well? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKbKGPF4SzU&t=284s 4:15 .

14 hours ago, BDA said:

our list manager needs to be sacked i reckon. he's botched it completely

Fully agree. With trades he's supposed to improve the list NOT degrade it.

Schache, Dunstan, Billings, McAdam, Fullerton pretty much busts.

Where are Cross, Vince, Hibberd & Melkshams ??

What is Patrick Voss' contract situation?

Big offer from us could tempt him home?

He would be on a bag of chips.

1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

What is Patrick Voss' contract situation?

Big offer from us could tempt him home?

He would be on a bag of chips.

The real question is how come we didn't identify him as a potential recruit at the end of 2023?