42 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

Again - what isn’t clear?

Read my posts

Oliver and Melbourne both want him to leave

Also hearing Richmond very keen on McVee

I have tried to follow what you mean, but it is not clear from your fragmentary posts and repeated 'what's not clear' comments. Sorry if I am so thick. I don't know whether your are refering to Oliver or someone else when you say 'him' - earlier posts seem contradictory.

Instead of saying 'read my posts' how about you please make a new post stating:

1. I heard the following on day A when I was at X with Y. If you can't give names, then categories, eg players, coaches, family members of them, etc

2. Several people (or one?) told me the club (and/or some people) want Z pushed out.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No coincidence our midfield looked at its absolute best against the likes of Brisbane and Sydney when Viney wasn't playing.

He's not in my best 22 next year and he should be depth at best unless he can reinvent himself as a small forward but even then as a slow small, hed get exposed big time on speed on the turnover.

J Viney contracted until 2008. I would be happy to see 2 or 3 of the long/lucrative contract players go, as long as they each left no more than $200k behind. The mega-contracts turned out to be foolish and presumed the club/coach could deal with issues as they arose, thus leading to a new glorydays. $200k X 3 = $600 p.a. and similar in effect to a second tier player going down with an ACL.

The club that must not be named, traded out at bargain prices, after the departure of he who possibly will be named, top players such as Treloar. Then, they won a flag and contest for others.

Nonetheless, maturely owning our decisions , MFC should stand by their contracts and not do a Pertie (allegedly).

Tell me more of he who may possibly be named. Apparently, he only lost finals by a slim margin. But then, that was rather our problem with the straight sets, wasn't it.

PS BTW FWIW, ditto Pickett.

IMO the list problem is that we have both Viney and Clarry and we don't need both, and really need to stop playing both moving forward. Neither can play anywhere other than inside mid which is hurting us twice - we can't compete with better midfields because we're too inside and too slow, and we can't get as many midfield minutes into the likes of Windsor, Rivers, Langford and Lindsay.

Trac is complimentary, given his ability to go forward. Yes, in 2025 his kicking was awful, and it may remain that way, but with a new coach, a more dynamic midfield and a forward structure which holds its position more than we've been inclined to do under Goodwin, I'm hopeful Trac can return to being closer to the dynamic centre-forward beast he was up to KB last year.

7 hours ago, Deez21 said:

Plenty of whispers and loose lips in the room last night

all parties desperate for clarry to go

7 hours ago, Deez21 said:

Plenty of whispers and loose lips in the room last night

all parties desperate for clarry to go

Some more context?

How can the club be desperate for him to go when we don’t even have a coach?

Like, surely Bucks will have an opinion either way, and that opinion would hold some weight. Maybe Ken Hinkley thinks Clarry can get back to his best, maybe Danny Daly thinks his issues outweigh any pros. Maybe, ok you get the picture.

3 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

How can the club be desperate for him to go when we don’t even have a coach?

Like, surely Bucks will have an opinion either way, and that opinion would hold some weight. Maybe Ken Hinkley thinks Clarry can get back to his best, maybe Danny Daly thinks his issues outweigh any pros. Maybe, ok you get the picture.

Yeah I call bull on that post.

No idea if the poster has had good mail before or not, but I call bull on this.

Last game of the year, and the rooms are abuzz with both Clarry saying he wants out and the club saying we want him to go?

And not a single journo got a hold of that?

If we ship Clarry out for nothing, after carrying hik in the team for the last 2 years and just when he is starting to come good, I'll be furious.

Unless he is the start and end of our cultural problems, which he isn't, or we are clearing cap space for a particular player, we'd be crazy to trade him for peanuts which is all we'd get.

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

If we ship Clarry out for nothing, after carrying hik in the team for the last 2 years and just when he is starting to come good, I'll be furious.

Unless he is the start and end of our cultural problems, which he isn't, or we are clearing cap space for a particular player, we'd be crazy to trade him for peanuts which is all we'd get.

Exactly how I feel about it too ! It could bite us hard if we trade him for not much and he does look like he getting back to his best

28 minutes ago, Mickey said:

If we ship Clarry out for nothing, after carrying hik in the team for the last 2 years and just when he is starting to come good, I'll be furious.

Unless he is the start and end of our cultural problems, which he isn't, or we are clearing cap space for a particular player, we'd be crazy to trade him for peanuts which is all we'd get.

We have been in a holding pattern for 2 years on Clarry. If he was going to 'come good' i think we would have seen something by now. Last year was due to 'missed preseason' and i recalled the pre-season game against Freo and thought, yep Clarry is back. But it has been a different Clarry since he done his hammy back in '23.

I do want him to come good as we know the type of player he can be. Even in the modern game, he still has the abiltiy to turn games on their head.

I just dont think it will happen - he will have a good game now and then, but i doubt it will be consistent.

His whole fall-from-grace, does fascinate me (when im not frustrated by it). Is it body, mind, skillset, game-style... would love to know.

5 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

This devaluing of JV mystifies me. Yes, he is a poor kick. BUT - and it is a big but - he is a tackle monster; he keeps his opponents honest (euphemism for nervous) and is a true heart and souler. He never gives up. His endeavour is inspirational.

If my memory serves me correctly, Jordie McKenzie and Simon Godfrey were “tackle monsters” and also “true heart and soulers” who played with similar endeavour and inspiration.

They were also very poor kicks, similar to Jack Viney.

In Todays Football being a great tackler alone is not enough, imo.

51 minutes ago, DemonJack 14 said:

Exactly how I feel about it too ! It could bite us hard if we trade him for not much and he does look like he getting back to his best

If he goes down the highway, watch him win the Brownlow next year 🤮

I’d keep him and his wage, if it were to purely keep him out of their greasy hands (such is my disdain for that club).

Edited August 23Aug 23 by Demon Disciple

32 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

We have been in a holding pattern for 2 years on Clarry. If he was going to 'come good' i think we would have seen something by now. Last year was due to 'missed preseason' and i recalled the pre-season game against Freo and thought, yep Clarry is back. But it has been a different Clarry since he done his hammy back in '23.

I do want him to come good as we know the type of player he can be. Even in the modern game, he still has the abiltiy to turn games on their head.

I just dont think it will happen - he will have a good game now and then, but i doubt it will be consistent.

His whole fall-from-grace, does fascinate me (when im not frustrated by it). Is it body, mind, skillset, game-style... would love to know.

I think we have seen an uptick in the last few weeks. I don't know if its sustainable, but if we were going to offload him for a packet of chips we should have done it last year

10 hours ago, Deez21 said:

Plenty of whispers and loose lips in the room last night

all parties desperate for clarry to go

Whispers?? From who??

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO the list problem is that we have both Viney and Clarry and we don't need both, and really need to stop playing both moving forward. Neither can play anywhere other than inside mid which is hurting us twice - we can't compete with better midfields because we're too inside and too slow, and we can't get as many midfield minutes into the likes of Windsor, Rivers, Langford and Lindsay.

Trac is complimentary, given his ability to go forward. Yes, in 2025 his kicking was awful, and it may remain that way, but with a new coach, a more dynamic midfield and a forward structure which holds its position more than we've been inclined to do under Goodwin, I'm hopeful Trac can return to being closer to the dynamic centre-forward beast he was up to KB last year.

This sums it up in a nutshell and what many have been crying out for years post 2021.

You can't have Viney & Clarry in at CBs at the same time.

It's a recipe for a belting out of the middle and even at around ground stoppages.

Watching the oppo waltz away so easily and win so many clearances with Max being the best tap ruck in the business is the definition of football insanity. Yet we persisted with it for three more seasons after it was past its used by from approx 2023 onwards.

It'll be interesting to see what a new coach feels about this during 2026 (assuming the two players in question remain team mates).

44 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

If my memory serves me correctly, Jordie McKenzie and Simon Godfrey were “tackle monsters” and also “true heart and soulers” who played with similar endeavour and inspiration.

They were also very poor kicks, similar to Jack Viney.

In Todays Football being a great tackler alone is not enough, imo.

Agree, plenty of tackling machines about. Viney needs to find half a yard of pace in that first 10 meters to be worthy of a significant CB gig from here. If he can't find that we would be much better served persisting with the likes of Culley or looking for other options.

The pace might serve him to distribute the ball with alot more polish. Vs at present, a black belt in ball butchering as he is almost always under the pump as soon as he grabs the pill.

Not writing him off completely but to me his days as an effective impact inside mid are, at best at the crossroads and at worst he is potentially gawnsky.

Edited August 23Aug 23 by Demon Dynasty

8 hours ago, Billy said:

I agree, Clarry looks invested, Trac looks like footballs not enough anymore

Masterchef judge?

3 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

J Viney contracted until 2008. I would be happy to see 2 or 3 of the long/lucrative contract players go, as long as they each left no more than $200k behind. The mega-contracts turned out to be foolish and presumed the club/coach could deal with issues as they arose, thus leading to a new glorydays. $200k X 3 = $600 p.a. and similar in effect to a second tier player going down with an ACL.

The club that must not be named, traded out at bargain prices, after the departure of he who possibly will be named, top players such as Treloar. Then, they won a flag and contest for others.

Nonetheless, maturely owning our decisions , MFC should stand by their contracts and not do a Pertie (allegedly).

Tell me more of he who may possibly be named. Apparently, he only lost finals by a slim margin. But then, that was rather our problem with the straight sets, wasn't it.

PS BTW FWIW, ditto Pickett.

North have the cap space to take both JV7 and Rick's full wage on.

No dramas at all.

One problem is that Petracca is no longer a marking threat forward for totally understandable reasons so his value playing forward is diminished, particularly since his kicking has also gone off.

5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO the list problem is that we have both Viney and Clarry and we don't need both, and really need to stop playing both moving forward. Neither can play anywhere other than inside mid which is hurting us twice - we can't compete with better midfields because we're too inside and too slow, and we can't get as many midfield minutes into the likes of Windsor, Rivers, Langford and Lindsay.

Trac is complimentary, given his ability to go forward. Yes, in 2025 his kicking was awful, and it may remain that way, but with a new coach, a more dynamic midfield and a forward structure which holds its position more than we've been inclined to do under Goodwin, I'm hopeful Trac can return to being closer to the dynamic centre-forward beast he was up to KB last year.

Well, we know who the better footballer is, but we also know who the better leader is.

5 hours ago, old55 said:

One problem is that Petracca is no longer a marking threat forward for totally understandable reasons so his value playing forward is diminished, particularly since his kicking has also gone off.

I'd definately trade Tracc and try to get rid of Viney, but would keep Clarry at all costs , but as my Geelong source is speculating, he might be good as gone!!

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

I'd definately trade Tracc and try to get rid of Viney, but would keep Clarry at all costs , but as my Geelong source is speculating, he might be good as gone!!

So you are keeping the bloke who has completely derailed us off field and is a shadow of his former self but get rid of the 2 most professional blokes at the club. Doesn’t seem logical to me. Petracca has multiple strings to his bow, Clarry has 1.

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

So you are keeping the bloke who has completely derailed us off field and is a shadow of his former self but get rid of the 2 most professional blokes at the club. Doesn’t seem logical to me. Petracca has multiple strings to his bow, Clarry has 1.

Viney overated Rugby player

Tracc, since injured shadow of former self

Clarry... 2 times Coaches award and 4 times B&F .....

Now..... u were saying????

I heard a whisperr Clarry is one of the greatest Melbourne players in the last 50 years.

But my hearing isn't that good i just whitnessed it.

Source: my eyesight

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

So you are keeping the bloke who has completely derailed us off field and is a shadow of his former self but get rid of the 2 most professional blokes at the club. Doesn’t seem logical to me. Petracca has multiple strings to his bow, Clarry has 1.

I look at it this way, of those three, who can move the needle for us in terms of influencing a game single handedly.

To me, in order, that list is Oliver, Trac, Viney.

Obviously, a lot more comes into that decision than purely game day.

If we take more than 2 of them into next year, I’d be very concerned.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Viney overated Rugby player

Tracc, since injured shadow of former self

Clarry... 2 times Coaches award and 4 times B&F .....

Now..... u were saying????

Clarry has fallen off the perch

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Viney overated Rugby player

Tracc, since injured shadow of former self

Clarry... 2 times Coaches award and 4 times B&F .....

Now..... u were saying????

Clarry hasnt been himself for years now, Tracc has had 1 bad year and hasn’t cooked himself off the field.

Viney is limited I agree but he will try everything over the off season to improve