Petracca might be a backup plan for Hawthorn if they don't get Reid

I think the writing was on the wall for Tracc in 2022 when he asked where the crowds were.

The rest as they say is history

15 minutes ago, lorn said:

Petracca might be a backup plan for Hawthorn if they don't get Reid

It would be quite logical ( from an outside perspective ) for Reid to move. I sense we haven't even begun to see the outrageous silliness of the Circus main tent yet. The Big Top begets big contracts. Im not thinking the Sqawkers would tip ALL their shekels into one basket..There might be internal resistance to that. Such being possibly the case Tracc ( or similar ) might be more attractive.

Time, as they say will tell.

Christian may well end up staying... but he'll be on a few clubs "interest-list" .

20 minutes ago, Golden fist said:

I think the writing was on the wall for Tracc in 2022 when he asked where the crowds were.

The rest as they say is history

Yeah, but where were the crowds?

So it's no surprise that once a team loses quality midfielders for whatever reason (Gus, Trac, Clarrie) then being able to compete well becomes problematic

It's impossible to replace in a like-for-like manner. Not even close

We need to find a way to become a contender again with or without Petracca & Oliver

In an ideal world both return to their best and we get on with the business

If both go, it's going to take a bit of time to compete properly again (factoring in the loss of Gus as well)

How would Gold Coast go without Rowell, Miller & Anderson all down on their best (or unavailable)

I used to hate blaming injuries but not when A Grade talent is at play

Edited August 4Aug 4 by Macca

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

To trade Petracca or Oliver we would probably need to pay 20% of their salary simply to offload them.

35% gets a second rounder and 50% a first

They and we are stuck with each other unless they agree to reduce their contracted salaries.

Of course if they have a stellar year for MFC in 2026 the equation could change at the end of that year as it would with increases in the TPP cap and the length left on their contracts

Hawthorn are the ideal club to do a deal with as they have plenty of cap space to do a deal.

They also have a nice draft hand with picks 6 and 24.

We need them to bomb out this year, so the need to top up is greater.

Edited August 4Aug 4 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

Re Petracca's comments re our crowd numbers ...

In terms of support, we are a not a big club but we often go close to maximising our crowd numbers

It would take decades for us to catch up with the big clubs and we'd also need lots of sustained on field success

We just don't have the supporter numbers and that period from 1965 to 1986 killed off any chance of being a big club

Same sort of thing happened to South, North, Fitzroy, St Kilda & Bulldogs. All the small clubs are competing in the one City up against the big boys

You've got to win and contend consistently through the decades and that's what the big clubs have done

We've had too many wilderness years as support is often passed on through the generations

So in other words, what did Petracca expect? Collingwood type numbers?

Edited August 4Aug 4 by Macca

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

That's very close to what Clarky put forward on First Crack.

I'm guessing he didn't just come up with the concept out of the blue, so this seems like one of the parties involved has started to game this scenario out.

It does seem very plausible, although on an emotional level not sure I'm ready for this possibility. Trac's been one of our very best of all time and was a Norm Smith medalist in the only premiership in my lifetime. He's not what he was two years ago, and I'd happily see him play out his days as a Demon, but there's an uncomfortable feeling in my gut that thinks this might be the right move for all parties.

Can't see Hawks releasing Calsher Dear in any trade, they'd probably offer up Mabior and Lewis is probably the one that would/could move back. I'd want at least a first rounder to come back as well, especially if we are taking on some of the dollars.

Why not?

If it was something Trac or the MFC was considering, he would have mentioned that ("sources say" etc.).

At trade time, journalists are hell-bent on coming up with ideas for trades that fill their columns, articles, podcasts, TV segments and radio shows.

He's run with this on First Crack and in the paper on a Sunday night, which feeds perfectly into the Monday night TV shows - watch this get raised on The Agenda Setters, On the Couch or Footy Classified tonight.

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

Re Petracca's comments re our crowd numbers ...

In terms of support, we are a small club that goes close to maximising our crowd numbers

It would take decades for us to catch up with the big clubs and we'd also need lots of sustained on field success

We just don't have the supporter numbers and that period from 1965 to 1986 killed off any chance of being a big club

Same sort of thing happened to South, North, Fitzroy, St Kilda & Bulldogs. All the small clubs are competing in the one City up against the big boys

You've got to win and contend consistently through the decades and that's what the big clubs have done

We've had too many wilderness years as support is often passed on through the generations

So in other words, what the hell did Petracca expect?

My 7 y.o. niece has jumped ship to the Hawks end of last year 🤷‍♀️

2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

My 7 y.o. niece has jumped ship to the Hawks end of last year 🤷‍♀️

I could relate numerous other stories

3 minutes ago, BoBo said:

My 7 y.o. niece has jumped ship to the Hawks end of last year 🤷‍♀️

It happens. 😞

16 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Watching Jay Clark on First Crack. His argument about Tracc leaving is because he only attended 7 Centre Bounces on the weekend, and Goodwin is sending a message.

Or, as I saw it, we played a side with a weaker midfield we know we could beat without him, and we need to blood younger players in the midfield - like Windsor who attended the most centre bounces for the game.

He’s just making stuff up.

Funny thing is his First Crack Colleague in Kingy has been calling out for Goodwin to try the young brigade through the middle. You cannot make this [censored] up. They call for the youngsters to be battle-hardened with my CBA and then when its implemented, rather than applauding the bold move, lets now highlight the fact that Trac is no longer in there and he could be traded.

Now i have my personal opinion's on Trac's trade but in direct reference to the First Crack, this is becoming meat and potatoes journalism.

To the heart of the trade scenario. Hawks were preparing to go after Reid with a treasure trove of picks. It is appearing more unlikely to happen now and with Day's foot issues, they are in dire need of a another prime midfielder. I do think Trac to Hawks actually makes sense. Previously i called for their first pick (tied to Carlton) - but given Day's injury and Reid likely to stay, it puts Hawthorn in a rather precarious situation. I think we play hard ball and try to extract 2 first rounders.

We just have to be proactive, to regenerate this list. If we can get Lever to North / Doggies and Trac to Hawks and get ourselves 2-3 additional picks in the top 10-20 over the next 2 years. We will be very well placed to challenge towards the end of this decade.

37 minutes ago, BoBo said:

My 7 y.o. niece has jumped ship to the Hawks end of last year 🤷‍♀️

Corporal punishment needs to be reintroduced

Edited August 4Aug 4 by BDA

we get hawks first rounder tied to Carlton and they take on his full salary. Best deal we can reasonably expect

I think BP5 only stays if he sees himself winning at least another flag with us. If he were to move on however does anyone really see Hawthorn taking on the final four years of his contract? Anyone that hits thirty at that place are usually year by year propositions. It will definitely be to a side in regular contention though.

The AFL season is drab and with 80% dead rubbers each weekend

Must be time to crank up the Trac is unhappy articles

We'll leave Clarry until late Aug to spread them out

Trac's contract isn't in the same league as Oliver's which reaches $1.7m by end of contract.

Trac is in the top 3 impact players at the dees this year. He has no baggage. In the top 3-5 in the league on a number of metrics. Versatile positions. So Hawks or any other team should pay full value to us and to Trac.

A hypothetical trade to Hawks should be 2 first round picks: Carlton's 1st this year, a future 1st and they take his full salary.

Clark doesn't have a clue and trying to stay relevant.

paul roos on abc afl daily - if christian petracca is available and i was a coach at ANY club - let along collingwood or hawthorn - i would be moving heaven and earth to get him as he's a proven commodity where you know what he's capable of at his best

i guess we'll know in 6-12 weeks how 'available' he is

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

Yeah, but where were the crowds?

Working from home, probably

No doubt decisions need to be made on list mgt and to trade in experienced talent not to mention the footy dept & coaches, all the talk has been from President to Coach that Oliver & Trac will remain and no talk of trading them … to flip on this would leave egg on the face of Goodwin but hey he did say how much they valued Grundy!

Why are these managers getting these players to sign long term deals then expect the club to work out a trade and still get paid the same, if a player wants out they should negotiate a new contract and not burden the club!

I'd be wanting Hawk's 2 first rounders for him to accelerate a list rebuild

Lever to Norf for their 2 x 2nd rounders

Then, like Trac, we're cookin!

On 02/08/2025 at 00:24, Pirlo said:

The basketball injury from 10 years ago when he was a teenager? What an absolute joke to bring that up.

Tridents multi pronged attack gets a bit t t repetitive...

2 hours ago, Golden fist said:

Working from home, probably

not if our new CEO has his way

41 minutes ago, adonski said:

I'd be wanting Hawk's 2 first rounders for him to accelerate a list rebuild

Lever to Norf for their 2 x 2nd rounders

Then, like Trac, we're cookin!

He's 29. We'd be happy for Carltons first - that Hawthorn have. I doubt we'd even get that. In saying that, Hawthorn don't strike me as a draft side. They've had quality picks, squandered them, and are still where they are. Petracca fits well with their trajectory.

1 minute ago, VoiceOfReason said:

He's 29. We'd be happy for Carltons first - that Hawthorn have. I doubt we'd even get that. In saying that, Hawthorn don't strike me as a draft side. They've had quality picks, squandered them, and are still where they are. Petracca fits well with their trajectory.

Can't see us trading Trac for a single pick, not sure his age is too relevant for the Hawks who are in the window

Hawks traded a first, second, third round pick for Barrass who is the same age with much much worse durability issues

Think Trac is being undersold...by Dees supporters!