2 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

His reaction on draft night last year. Compare that to the reaction from Aidan Johnson. One was pure joy, the other looked like his dog had just died. And then his half hearted mediocre efforts when he came on last week. I wouldn't be investing too much hope in this bloke

I’ve read and posted plenty of rubbish on this forum but this has to be near the top. The guy’s played a quarter and a game at Casey and you’ve ascertained that because he wasn’t gushing on draft night he’s not going to work out at Melbourne ?

1 hour ago, Dee*ceiving said:

And then the negatives

• Our mistakes are horrendous, Bowey kick to the corridor, Woewodin fumbled bounce when a long kick to Trac nets a goal. Our disposal efficiency was 72% but I'd dare say that's pumped up by dinky kicks that go backwards and sideways. Most of our kicks that went forward went to a contest or missed their target
• The forward line is a mess. Poor Jeffo getting injured early was unfortunate but he'd been barely sighted. That said I have low confidence that Fritsch, JVR and Turner will work. They seem to get in one anothers way and chunk up what could be a 1 on 1 contest by bring their oppoent into it unecessarily  

One of our big problems is where our players run to. I watched a few games on the weekend and it dawned on me that when we have the ball Melbourne players rarely get separation from their opponents. So we are constantly kicking to players under pressure or having to make flawless kicks or HBs to players that are immediately under pressure.

Other teams appear to be able to get clean space and can hit kicks of 20m r more because they aren't under pressure and they dont have to pinpoint a pass. Watch Hawthorn. They are manic running to create space when they have the ball

Our fwd line exemplifies this problem and we constantly bomb the ball to a contest because the fwd line get in each others way. The running patterns don't exist or they all seem to run to the same spot. Other teams seem to have all the space in the world in the fwd line.

Its not rocket science that when we have the ball players should run in all directions to open up the field. When the field opens up a kicker can kick the ball into a space for a team mate to run on to it. Instead we have a stop and prop mentality that invites pressure.

Our kick it to Max strategy went out with the arc. Memo Simon Goodwin: other teams have worked that out.

Our run and spread is basically non-existent. Either because we aren't fit enough or we aren't coached to do it.

John Kennedy the coach said there were only 3 phases of the game: you have the ball, your opponents have the ball or the ball is in dispute. We are ok when the ball is on dispute. We have focused on the other team having the ball but when we have it we are clueless

It is coaching coaching coaching. And player selection integrity

 

Edited March 24Mar 24 by jnrmac

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Have posted exactly the same for a while.

A few stars have helped paper over obvious cracks.

We are also one of the slowest sides, both in running and reacting.

Couldn’t agree more with you Jnr and we haven’t mentioned lazy forwards who refuse to lead or make space, or are playing to a poor game plan based on bombing it in. Charlie Comben, Corr and Pink however think it is a great style of play.

Caleb, Judd and Kozzie will help when they are back, the question will be if they are enough.

All is not lost, but we need to get our best side back ASAP and see how we go.

Agreed. Our lack of system doesn't help. A good system places less pressure on average kickers or handballers. Our players seem clueless as to how to create space.

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

One of our big problems is where our players run to. I watched a few games on the weekend and it dawned on me that when we have the ball Melbourne players rarely get separation from their opponents. So we are constantly kicking to players under pressure or having to make flawless kicks or HBs to players that are immediately under pressure.

Other teams appear to be able to get clean space and can hit kicks of 20m r more because they aren't under pressure and they dont have to pinpoint a pass. Watch Hawthorn. They are manic running to create space when they have the ball

Our fwd line exemplifies this problem and we constantly bomb the ball to a contest because the fwd line get in each others way. The running patterns don't exist or they all seem to run to the same spot. Other teams seem to have all the space in the world in the fwd line.

Its not rocket science that when we have the ball players should run in all directions to open up the field. When the field opens up a kicker can kick the ball into a space for a team mate to run on to it. Instead we have a stop and prop mentality that invites pressure.

Our kick it to Max strategy went out with the arc. Memo Simon Goodwin: other teams have worked that out.

Our run and spread is basically non-existent. Either because we aren't fit enough or we aren't coached to do it.

John Kennedy the coach said there were only 3 phases of the game: you have the ball, your opponents have the ball or the ball is in dispute. We are ok when the ball is on dispute. We have focused on the other team having the ball but when we have it we are clueless

It is coaching coaching coaching. And player selection integrity

 

It is incredible to watch. 
If I was Goodwin I would be saying to the forward coach, I’m not copping responsibility for your forward set up anymore. You have until Sat to come up with a new structure or your jobs gone. You will be holding the ditch’s hats

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

 

John Kennedy the coach said there were only 3 phases of the game: you have the ball, your opponents have the ball or the ball is in dispute. We are ok when the ball is on dispute. We have focused on the other team having the ball but when we have it we are clueless

It is coaching coaching coaching. And player selection integrity

 

This Quote stands the test of time very well. It is still the core of the Modern Game

Using the ball when we have it is something i don’t think our Coach fully understands or gives enough credit to 

 

9 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

One of our big problems is where our players run to. I watched a few games on the weekend and it dawned on me that when we have the ball Melbourne players rarely get separation from their opponents. So we are constantly kicking to players under pressure or having to make flawless kicks or HBs to players that are immediately under pressure.

Other teams appear to be able to get clean space and can hit kicks of 20m r more because they aren't under pressure and they dont have to pinpoint a pass. Watch Hawthorn. They are manic running to create space when they have the ball

Our fwd line exemplifies this problem and we constantly bomb the ball to a contest because the fwd line get in each others way. The running patterns don't exist or they all seem to run to the same spot. Other teams seem to have all the space in the world in the fwd line.

Its not rocket science that when we have the ball players should run in all directions to open up the field. When the field opens up a kicker can kick the ball into a space for a team mate to run on to it. Instead we have a stop and prop mentality that invites pressure.

Our kick it to Max strategy went out with the arc. Memo Simon Goodwin: other teams have worked that out.

Our run and spread is basically non-existent. Either because we aren't fit enough or we aren't coached to do it.

John Kennedy the coach said there were only 3 phases of the game: you have the ball, your opponents have the ball or the ball is in dispute. We are ok when the ball is on dispute. We have focused on the other team having the ball but when we have it we are clueless

It is coaching coaching coaching. And player selection integrity

 

I’m a believer in finding a player if they’re in space and if you can’t you back your teammate to win a 50-50 more often than not. The game plan has to take precedence over finding 4 loose players to transition the football. It also comes down to getting some help around these 50-50 contests so you end up winning more than you lose. You can chip it around HB all you want but I’d love to see us just take off once we get beyond the D50. I’m sick of watching us take the make and hesitate, pull the trigger and make the next contest happen.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Roost it far

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

One of our big problems is where our players run to. I watched a few games on the weekend and it dawned on me that when we have the ball Melbourne players rarely get separation from their opponents. So we are constantly kicking to players under pressure or having to make flawless kicks or HBs to players that are immediately under pressure.

Other teams appear to be able to get clean space and can hit kicks of 20m r more because they aren't under pressure and they dont have to pinpoint a pass.

Our fwd line exemplifies this and we constantly bomb the ball to a contest because the fwd line get in each others way. The running patterns don't exist or they all seem to run to the same spot.

Its not rocket science that when we have the ball players should run in all directions to open up the field. When the field opens up a kicker can kick the ball into a space for a team mate to run on to it. Instead we have a stop and prop mentality that invites pressure.

Our kick it to Max strategy went out with the arc. Memo Simon Goodwin: other teams have worked that out.

Our run and spread is basically non-existent. Either because we aren't fit enough or we aren't coached to do it.

John Kennedy the coach said there were only 3 phases of the game: you have the ball, your opponents have the ball or the ball is in dispute. We are ok when the ball is on dispute. We have focused on the other team having the ball but when we have it we are clueless

It is coaching coaching coaching. And player selection integrity

 

We play percentages and dont take risk. The slingshot you refer to is predicated on moving the instant we get the turnover. This requires everyone to be on the same page, which means players get a head of the play in anticipation of uncontested ball. We try to create similar situation at stoppage when we try to exit from front. 

In play stoppages or when the ball is in dispute, we over commit numbers to the contest which leave very little numbers on the outside. Teams set up knowing that a) if we win the contest, their outside defenders will just close in and result in a MFC disposal under pressure or turnover; or b) If they win the contest or win the ball back, they just need to get a handball to the outside for a clean break and unpressured ball movement, which will then see our defensive press up the ground fold-in to try and win the ball back. At this point it is just a training drill. 

All in all, a lot needs to change and change takes time. I dont think we have the cattle with the new game plan. We have some of the parts in the young fellas we have bought in over the last 3-4 years, but we need wholesale changes in KPs over the ground. It will be interesting to see how we rebuild this side without dropping to depths of the bottom 4. But i dont think we play finals for the next couple of years at the very least. 

55 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

We play percentages and dont take risk. The slingshot you refer to is predicated on moving the instant we get the turnover. This requires everyone to be on the same page, which means players get a head of the play in anticipation of uncontested ball. We try to create similar situation at stoppage when we try to exit from front. 

In play stoppages or when the ball is in dispute, we over commit numbers to the contest which leave very little numbers on the outside. Teams set up knowing that a) if we win the contest, their outside defenders will just close in and result in a MFC disposal under pressure or turnover; or b) If they win the contest or win the ball back, they just need to get a handball to the outside for a clean break and unpressured ball movement, which will then see our defensive press up the ground fold-in to try and win the ball back. At this point it is just a training drill. 

All in all, a lot needs to change and change takes time. I dont think we have the cattle with the new game plan. We have some of the parts in the young fellas we have bought in over the last 3-4 years, but we need wholesale changes in KPs over the ground. It will be interesting to see how we rebuild this side without dropping to depths of the bottom 4. But i dont think we play finals for the next couple of years at the very least. 

GS should we give up on having so many talls in the forward line and just play 1 tall and 5 hybrid/small/midrotation?

Our forwards were constantly held yesterday as comben took intercept marks.

If contested marks are not the way, why not spread and win the ball on the ground?

David King, regardless of what you think of him, called it on SEN this morning - era over.

Also, Spargo amd Bowey just aren’t at the level. That’s all.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What happened to 'Simon's Sign Off' segment? 

Have they canned that already??

What would be the point Dazzle, it would just get sh…canned anyway.

3 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

We desperately miss Kossie and Windsor (and McVee) today. Our lack of speed was the main issue.

Melksham and May will also make us much better.

Petracca had a stinker. (Only Frisch, Pink and Jefferson had lower Wheelo player ratings.)

Spargo is finished as a player. I know he is a good kick inside 50 but he is way too slow for a small forward at AFL level and cannot compete in the air.

The high half forward role Fritsch is currently playing is taking away our best deep target and giving us nothing up the field. Play him at full forward or drop him.

Petty had a very poor game and lacks pace. TMac had one horrible moment but is a much better bet when May returns. I don't have Petty in our best 23 at the moment.

Obviously Max getting thrashed in the ruck was critical.

Hopefully Goodwin gives up on playing Rivers in the midfield. We have taken away one of our best rebounders and coverage defenders and inserted another midfielder with poor skills and not enough pace. He is not complimentary to Petracca, Oliver and Viney in the midfield.

Petty, TMac, Bowey and Woewodin had critical errors.

Chandler was fantastic. Salem had a very good game. Oliver was involved but is still a liability with ball in hand. Lindsay had another solid game.

Expected score was 111 to 82, so we left too many points on the table again with poor goal kicking.

Agree with a lot of this. Missing McVee and Windsor is killing us. It is compounded by AMW being injured, as you'd imagine he'd be replacing one of them. So with them all unavailable, Rivers has to go back to half back. He's not dominating in the middle, and we need his run and line breaking off half back.

I suspect we will persist with the Fritsch experiment a bit longer but I have no faith at all that it will work. 

I do not see a future in Spargo (nor Laurie, nor Woewodin, nor Billings). 

When Gawn is that badly beaten, we almost always struggle - think Darcy dominating him in our recent Fremantle losses. 

However I don't agree on Petty - he was excellent last week. I doubt May is right to go this week so the decision can be deferred one more week but if it's line ball between Petty and TMac, I'd prefer we play Petty as TMac's much closer to the end.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What happened to 'Simon's Sign Off' segment? 

Have they canned that already??

Yes, did you miss it?  He was served ABC spaghetti and raspberry cordial after this week’s effort.

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

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1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

We play percentages and dont take risk. The slingshot you refer to is predicated on moving the instant we get the turnover. This requires everyone to be on the same page, which means players get a head of the play in anticipation of uncontested ball. We try to create similar situation at stoppage when we try to exit from front. 

In play stoppages or when the ball is in dispute, we over commit numbers to the contest which leave very little numbers on the outside. Teams set up knowing that a) if we win the contest, their outside defenders will just close in and result in a MFC disposal under pressure or turnover; or b) If they win the contest or win the ball back, they just need to get a handball to the outside for a clean break and unpressured ball movement, which will then see our defensive press up the ground fold-in to try and win the ball back. At this point it is just a training drill. 

All in all, a lot needs to change and change takes time. I dont think we have the cattle with the new game plan. We have some of the parts in the young fellas we have bought in over the last 3-4 years, but we need wholesale changes in KPs over the ground. It will be interesting to see how we rebuild this side without dropping to depths of the bottom 4. But i dont think we play finals for the next couple of years at the very least. 

Agree that when you get a turn over you need to spread like hell. It relies on players understanding what their team mates will do. Sadly we are a great fail in that area

Its what we practised all pre-season this year and last. Yet when the season proper comes we abandon it. Too scared and revert to playing safe boring predictable footy

14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I suspect we will persist with the Fritsch experiment a bit longer but I have no faith at all that it will work. 

What experiment is that? Lulling oppo teams into a false sense of security by having him only collect 2 possessions in the first half of matches? 

He's perfected that part.

Its the part about busting the second half apart and kicking 6 goals.

Fritsch has been a liability for 2 seasons now. The Fritchophantics won't have a bad word said about him but he should be dropped.

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

Jeez the usual conga line of Goody apologists is surprisingly quiet post game.

Yet your conga line of 'sack Goody' supporters are out in force after every loss.

13 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

North are irrelevant

Yes they are, and who gives a [censored] what their supporters think. The same clowns who were singing their club song with 10 minutes left in the last quarter. That is Carlton level cringe.

TAB have us $1.85 for this week and I expect a good showing. Hopefully Leb and Steve May are back.

4 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

. The same clowns who were singing their club song with 10 minutes left in the last quarter. That is Carlton level cringe.

I’m surprised that they remembered the words.

To be honest I was apprehensive about the game at Marvel yesterday but I wasn’t expecting a total capitulation in the last quarter, I thought we were lucky to be within a couple of goals throughout the game particularly after we squandered our opportunities at every opportunity. I couldn’t believe how well we picked out their defenders from our players and delivered it lace out to them and not us. Roos worked hard for the momentum and when they finally got it they made the absolute most of it 6 goals in 10 minutes blew us out of the game. Credit to Nth they hit us hard and often and had the ball on a string they outmarked, out run and out played us in nearly every facet of the game.😪😢

13 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Yet your conga line of 'sack Goody' supporters are out in force after every loss.

Yes they are, and who gives a [censored] what their supporters think. The same clowns who were singing their club song with 10 minutes left in the last quarter. That is Carlton level cringe.

TAB have us $1.85 for this week and I expect a good showing. Hopefully Leb and Steve May are back.

One team’s supporters engaged in Carlton level cringe yesterday. Embarrassingly for us, it wasn’t North’s.

1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

GS should we give up on having so many talls in the forward line and just play 1 tall and 5 hybrid/small/midrotation?

Our forwards were constantly held yesterday as comben took intercept marks.

If contested marks are not the way, why not spread and win the ball on the ground?

Possibly, its all about playing to your strengths. A smaller forward line will need even quicker ball movement as they thrive in space, using their speed and agility to score. Having some tall lumber in their allows a focal point for which smalls can crumb. Yesterday we didnt adjust to the Jeffo injury and were kicking it straight to an outnumber in Comben and made the guy to look like an AA CHB but even if we did, we are no good when the ball hits the deck and dont apply enough pressure when the oppo defence is trying to exit. 

Whilst I'm not blaming the venue, I hope we never play at Marvel again.

There’s no doubt we’re a team in two minds at present. At our best under Goody as a “forward half” team, we forced the opposition to chip around their backline to avoid kicking it to our well set up zone. Now we’re seemingly doing what we used to force the opposition into, except bizarrely we’re doing it by choice. Weird.

Im getting old and no expert in the modern game. However I believe this. When a team has a run on and our stars, Gawn Viney Oliver and Petracca or others gather in the middle I can nearly hear them saying. Win this contest charge forward and get a goal back. Would it be an idea to have one or two other plays, win the clearance, kick wide to a flank with a player running to that spot, or two players each running to a flank. Upset the predictable rhythm. 
 

It’s like a poorly drilled underage basketball team with a dominant centre who then just rush the ball down the middle. 
 

 

Interesting to see if goody is on afl 360 Wednesday night.  I'm sure Garry has some questions