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ElDiablo14
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Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

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    I will always appreciate what Simon Goodwin has achieved. No coach since Norm Smith was able to do what he has and he's done it under far greater scrutiny and turmoil than any of the other premiership coaches of the last 10+ years had too. 

    That said, if we don't make finals or at the very least look to have moved forward from 2024 we should be heading into rebuild mode. 

    History suggests not many coaches have moved from a period of success into a rebuild/second rebuild have managed that successfully. In fact in recent years that coach has jumped off/departed once the rebuild commenced/was within sight (Clarkson, Hardwick, Simpson, Buckley).

    I think we'd be mad not to make a strong play for Buckley or Longmire. After Simon and the public beatings he's suffered I think it would be wise to get a coach that will command respect from day 1. Buckley and Longmire both have that. 

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    On 25/03/2025 at 07:26, Hellfire Dub said:

    I said that for a number of reasons and I'll describe them here.   It's not a personal affront because I know you and others love Goody, but apart from the flag I don't think he's infallible and above reproach.  

     

    1. Disconnect Between Training and Game Day.


    Simon keeps saying we didn't play the way we trained. That’s a worrying admission. Either the players aren’t implementing his instructions, or the coaching isn’t working. Both are red flags.


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    2. Lack of Tactical Response.


    There’s been minimal in-game adjustment—like failing to respond to repeated marks by Comben or our centre clearance losses. If Max is under siege, coaches need to intervene. The lack of visible action on obvious problems must leave players feeling unsupported.


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    3. Forward Connection & Scoring Issues


    Our midfield-to-forward connection has been poor for a long time. We dominate territory but don’t convert, constantly bombing it in and hoping to lock it in. It’s like playing rugby in their 22 but never scoring tries. Meanwhile, we get cut open going the other way by interceptors running into space.


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    4. Player Body Language & Usage.


    Watch the players—Trac looked miserable on Sunday (and maybe unwell). Fritsch looks checked out. Petty seemed lost last year. Kozzy is a weapon we're not using effectively, and JVR hasn’t looked like he’s enjoying his footy. Even Max, our captain, looked exhausted again this week, and in games last year he was trying to carry the team.


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    5. Player Departures & Rumours.


    We’ve seen a steady stream of premiership players leave. Some may be unhappy. There are persistent rumours about others wanting out. It’s easy to cite homesickness or family to exit gracefully, but it still points to cultural cracks.


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    6. Impact of Underperformance.


    Losing corrodes morale. After the drama of last season, players probably just want to enjoy their football again. Playing dour, defensive, grinding football isn’t enjoyable—especially when we’re slipping behind the likes of North, Hawthorn, and even being embarrassed by West Coast or Freo.

    I've played on teams where a coach could politely be described as deficient.  Often a good captain can partially compensate but still they can't see and decide or direct everything.  I think Simon's good at many aspects (morale, defence, interpersonal) but tactically and offensively I think he is deficient.  I think a number of the team believe that too and that must be demoralising.

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    From the outside and for the reasons above, it looks like at least some players have a disconnect with the coach. 

    I just want us to win flags, or at the  very least be proud and competitive.  Lately I'm getting more sympathy than abuse from friends and rival fans about the Dees and that's embarrassing.

    I've held this opinion of SG since before 2021 so I would love him to turn around our fortunes but he's failed repeatedly and this season might get uglier. 

    Based on all this I would prefer a change of coach.

    Thanks for reading and debating this.  

    Cannot argue any of that HD. That is basically the situation we are in….

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    41 minutes ago, New Coach needed said:

    Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

    Is that you John?

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    57 minutes ago, New Coach needed said:

    Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

    I think Horse is destined for Tasmania 

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    1 hour ago, New Coach needed said:

    Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

    who is that GIF

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    Has anyone said Cameron Bruce yet? Dees alumni, been the midfield coach at Brisbane since 2021, was at Hawthorn for their three-peat.

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    1 hour ago, Dee*ceiving said:

    I think we'd be mad not to make a strong play for Buckley

    He could use his Collingwood connections and bring Brayden Maynard across with him.

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    22 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    He could use his Collingwood connections and bring Brayden Maynard across with him.

    and jeremy howe

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    23 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    He could use his Collingwood connections and bring Brayden Maynard across with him.

     

    2 hours ago, New Coach needed said:

    Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

    For all the Coaches must go folk who are nominating this person or that person, just a little Ryder on all this mass disappointment phenomenon - are any of you Wealthy, like able to stump up two years salary to pay out a Premiership Coach because you are all over him and want him gone. Maybe you can pool your funds and make him an offer that he can’t refuse. If not maybe it’s time to have a reality check. Just saying.

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    3 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

    For all the Coaches must go folk who are nominating this person or that person, just a little Ryder on all this mass disappointment phenomenon - are any of you Wealthy, like able to stump up two years salary to pay out a Premiership Coach because you are all over him and want him gone. Maybe you can pool your funds and make him an offer that he can’t refuse. If not maybe it’s time to have a reality check. Just saying.

    He won't go this year for the reasons you mention.

    If however they find the right up and comer I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Hinkley type transition next year. This will keep the payment level down while allowing the new coach a degree of input

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    7 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

     

    For all the Coaches must go folk who are nominating this person or that person, just a little Ryder on all this mass disappointment phenomenon - are any of you Wealthy, like able to stump up two years salary to pay out a Premiership Coach because you are all over him and want him gone. Maybe you can pool your funds and make him an offer that he can’t refuse. If not maybe it’s time to have a reality check. Just saying.

    The reality is we are down 10,000 members on this time last year….

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    2 hours ago, New Coach needed said:

    Simon has had his time, it's time he stepped down, the Dees will have a huge opportunity if John Longmire had a chance to gettum  up and going.. let's make an offer he can't refuse!!!!!

    You’ve got too much time on your hands nowadays horse 

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    40 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

     

    are any of you Wealthy, like able to stump up two years salary to pay out a Premiership Coach because you are all over him and want him gone. 

    Shouldn't have renewed that contract.  I can't understand why they did that

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    3 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

    I will always appreciate what Simon Goodwin has achieved. No coach since Norm Smith was able to do what he has and he's done it under far greater scrutiny and turmoil than any of the other premiership coaches of the last 10+ years had too. 

    That said, if we don't make finals or at the very least look to have moved forward from 2024 we should be heading into rebuild mode. 

    History suggests not many coaches have moved from a period of success into a rebuild/second rebuild have managed that successfully. In fact in recent years that coach has jumped off/departed once the rebuild commenced/was within sight (Clarkson, Hardwick, Simpson, Buckley).

    I think we'd be mad not to make a strong play for Buckley or Longmire. After Simon and the public beatings he's suffered I think it would be wise to get a coach that will command respect from day 1. Buckley and Longmire both have that. 

    I have no respect for Buckley - plus he's cursed.

     

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    1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    The reality is we are down 10,000 members on this time last year….

    And we were trending to have 75k with sustained success. How much money are we losing atm?

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    6 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    And we were trending to have 75k with sustained success. How much money are we losing atm?

    Bucketloads compared to winning Finals. Harsh reality…

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    11 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    So what will it be?

    Young or experienced coach?

    Has to be experienced and either Simpson or Longmire. I think it should be the latter.

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    Just now, Heart Beats True said:

    Has to be experienced and either Simpson or Longmire. I think it should be the latter.

    For sure not Simpson, another Premiership - Spoon coach like Goodwin.

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    Just now, ElDiablo14 said:

    For sure not Simpson, another Premiership - Spoon coach like Goodwin.

    While we are at it, we need a replacement for Tim Lamb.

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    On 27/03/2025 at 17:42, Sir Why You Little said:

    The reality is we are down 10,000 members on this time last year….

    Only have to pay out 12 months.

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    2 minutes ago, Heart Beats True said:

    While we are at it, we need a replacement for Tim Lamb.

    0 impact FA after a premiership, got to be the worst delivery.

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