The Draft Pick Upgrade Thread

[Davos 881]

6 hours ago, bing181 said:

I think you'll find the club disagrees with you. JVR, Petty, Turner, then add Fritsch, Kozzie and a couple of smalls plus Jefferson coming through ... workable, and they're all still young, or young enough.

Mids would be the priority I would imagine, if not KP defenders for the longer term (May, McDonald, Thomlinson will need replacing over the next year or two).

If the reported interest in Kako is true, it seems the club agrees with DS. 

I've floated it before, but I won't be surprised if Hannaford is picked if we managed to obtain another first round selection.

[adonski 12,036]

Our smalls excluding Pickett are very ordinary

[Lord Travis 10,726]

45 minutes ago, adonski said:

Our smalls excluding Pickett are very ordinary

Agreed. Small forwards a such an important part of the modern game too. Look at Brisbane in the GF with Lohmann, Ah Chee, Cameron and Bailey as rotating smalls. Bobby Hill the year before. Hawks had Watson fire during finals too. We need more small firepower up forward and it's a clear list gap for mine, especially if Kozzie ever leaves. Outside of Kozzie, we're limp. Guys like Chandler and Spargo don't hit the scoreboard anywhere near often enough. 

Not saying we chase Kako, but if there are any decent options with other picks in the teens and 20s then we should consider it.

[demoncat 1,413]

6 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Agreed. Small forwards a such an important part of the modern game too. Look at Brisbane in the GF with Lohmann, Ah Chee, Cameron and Bailey as rotating smalls. Bobby Hill the year before. Hawks had Watson fire during finals too. We need more small firepower up forward and it's a clear list gap for mine, especially if Kozzie ever leaves. Outside of Kozzie, we're limp. Guys like Chandler and Spargo don't hit the scoreboard anywhere near often enough. 

Not saying we chase Kako, but if there are any decent options with other picks in the teens and 20s then we should consider it.

Joe Berry looks a treat - would be a good get with a late first round or our second round pick 

[DeeSpencer 25,627]

8 hours ago, bing181 said:

I think you'll find the club disagrees with you. JVR, Petty, Turner, then add Fritsch, Kozzie and a couple of smalls plus Jefferson coming through ... workable, and they're all still young, or young enough.

Mids would be the priority I would imagine, if not KP defenders for the longer term (May, McDonald, Thomlinson will need replacing over the next year or two).

Kozzie’s the only high quality forward on that list and he’s pretty keen to get out of Melbourne.

We need to add a mature mid and draft another one with a decent pick at least, but forward talent is just as important.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

14 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Imagine we bid on Kako at #5, and they still hold 9. Before they match the bid they live trade pick 9 to us for a F1 and 28. 

Can they live trade to avoid burning 9 after the bid has been made by us or saints?

Is this rule different from last year?

I'm not up to speed with this. TIA

[old dee 23,786]

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

I think you'll find the club disagrees with you. JVR, Petty, Turner, then add Fritsch, Kozzie and a couple of smalls plus Jefferson coming through ... workable, and they're all still young, or young enough.

Mids would be the priority I would imagine, if not KP defenders for the longer term (May, McDonald, Thomlinson will need replacing over the next year or two).

Hmm I don’t share your enthusiasm for our forward line. One is an average KPF, 2 are backmen and Jefferson is still a long way off joining the senior side. I might add with the exception of Jefferson that lot didn’t produce a finals appearance this year. Where will the big change come from? 

[Roost it far 8,225]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Kozzie’s the only high quality forward on that list and he’s pretty keen to get out of Melbourne.

We need to add a mature mid and draft another one with a decent pick at least, but forward talent is just as important.

Hence we need 3 top 20 picks, 2 mids and the best forward available, whether that is big or small depends on the available talent. 

[Pulp Fritschon 736]

23 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Can they live trade to avoid burning 9 after the bid has been made by us or saints?

Is this rule different from last year?

I'm not up to speed with this. TIA

I am not sure of any rules changes. I know live trading happened on picks when clubs needed to match f/s in the past. Ie when we bid on Ryley West the WB shuffled their picks before matching. 
 
Would be good to know. 

[Young Angus 790]

Awesome mids please draft pick

[Moonshadow 17,675]

Or....

We bid on Kako, Essendon swap our 5 for their 9 + their 2025 F1. Maybe a swap of later picks in there too

We get 9 and have 2 x 1sts next year. Could use one to get back into this year's 1st round again

Just throwing it around for thought 🤔

[Oxdee 342]

11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The age report the other day seems to think so. I'm not as high on a few of the top mids as soon people are. We are desperate for forward talent no matter the size and shape and Kako has power, aggression, class and is a good ball winner up the ground.

I think he'd be in the frame

We are desperate for forward talent???? JVR, Petty, Turner and Jefferson. Please tell me where you see another tall forward sitting? 

[DeeSpencer 25,627]

2 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

We are desperate for forward talent???? JVR, Petty, Turner and Jefferson. Please tell me where you see another tall forward sitting? 

Please google Isaac Kako and get back to me 

[58er 6,418]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Hmm I don’t share your enthusiasm for our forward line. One is an average KPF, 2 are backmen and Jefferson is still a long way off joining the senior side. I might add with the exception of Jefferson that lot didn’t produce a finals appearance this year. Where will the big change come from? 

OD you are not listening. You can’t produce a forward line in 5 minutes! 
2024 was an exploratory year and not the finished product by a long shot. 

You say you are not impressed yes 2024 was not great but another year on could be completely different and others with vision believe there is a good possibility that all being young and Harry not fit properly plus Jeffo Kossie Fritta Chandler maybe McAdam gets properly fit that it will be a big improvement next season. 
Too many Dees fans inc. D/Lers have no patience or vision. 

Each season is different and pre seasons etc. man e difference. You always have a glass empty I prefer to look at a half glass full and believe that that may be the outcome. 

U have a felling that 2024 will turn out to be like 2020 most Dees fans thought it was a waste. We put our bricks on our defence that year. I believe we will have our mids and forwards much more organised and the game plan with 2 new Assistants will be a positive. 

That’s why I expect us to bounce back wit much improved unity culture team spirit and game plans plus more advanced mids and forwards with their true ability to shine at this stage in their careers.  

[old55 23,519]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Kozzie’s the only high quality forward on that list and he’s pretty keen to get out of Melbourne.

We need to add a mature mid and draft another one with a decent pick at least, but forward talent is just as important.

Maybe Jacob Konstanty could be a viable DFA option?

[old55 23,519]

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Can they live trade to avoid burning 9 after the bid has been made by us or saints?

Is this rule different from last year?

I'm not up to speed with this. TIA

If I'm Essendon, I'm trading back to 2 late teens picks with GWS, Richmond or Sydney and using one to cover Kako and the other in the draft.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

42 minutes ago, old55 said:

If I'm Essendon, I'm trading back to 2 late teens picks with GWS, Richmond or Sydney and using one to cover Kako and the other in the draft.

How do they cover Kako with a late teen pick if he's bid on by us at 5 or Saints by their two picks under 10?

[old55 23,519]

9 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

How do they cover Kako with a late teen pick if he's bid on by us at 5 or Saints by their two picks under 10?

True, if he's bid on at 6 (Ashcroft bid pushing things back a pick) they'll need 9 to fully cover it. If he's bid on at 9 then 14 will fully cover it. They need to have some alternative plans already agreed and in place on draft night.

[Nascent 9,208]

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

How do they cover Kako with a late teen pick if he's bid on by us at 5 or Saints by their two picks under 10?

Draft math time.

Dees bid on Kako @ pick 6

6 = 1751 points

Bombers get a 20% discount so need 1400 points.

Bombers trade 9 for GWS for 16 and 17.

16 = 1067 points

Leaving them 333 points short. From here, they can trade 17 down again for further points to match. Or the pick slides back by that amount. In this case, 333 point deficit pushes pick 17 out to 28.

So essentially turn 9 into Kako and pick 28 (or an earlier pick if split with another club wanting pick 17) if they deal with GWS.

Of course other bids for academy players like Lombard and Marshall will affect this.

Bombers will then weigh up their ideal outcome.

Kako + 28 - by trading down (with GWS specifically)

or

Pick 6 + Kako - by using their future 1st plus extra draft picks to get ahead of a Kako bid. (Not sure they have enough here to entice a club to do this).

The may even hope to trade in an earlier 1st round pick and hope Kako slides past 9 to give them say 6, 9 and Kako. Highly unlikely I would think.

Or 

Trade out of pick 9 downwards and into the future. Example might be dees offer Future 1st plus picks 28, 47, 53 to give them points to match a Kako bid. 

Kako + dees f1

[Redleg 40,887]

Hope we are talking to Bombers about 9, as they are now in danger of losing it for Kaka, with Saints likely to bid for him.

We could offer future 1st and 28, that would be very good for them.

Wonder if they would have any interest in Laurie, who might want more opportunities.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

32 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Draft math time.

Dees bid on Kako @ pick 6

6 = 1751 points

Bombers get a 20% discount so need 1400 points.

Bombers trade 9 for GWS for 16 and 17.

16 = 1067 points

Leaving them 333 points short. From here, they can trade 17 down again for further points to match. Or the pick slides back by that amount. In this case, 333 point deficit pushes pick 17 out to 28.

So essentially turn 9 into Kako and pick 28 (or an earlier pick if split with another club wanting pick 17) if they deal with GWS.

Of course other bids for academy players like Lombard and Marshall will affect this.

Bombers will then weigh up their ideal outcome.

Kako + 28 - by trading down (with GWS specifically)

or

Pick 6 + Kako - by using their future 1st plus extra draft picks to get ahead of a Kako bid. (Not sure they have enough here to entice a club to do this).

The may even hope to trade in an earlier 1st round pick and hope Kako slides past 9 to give them say 6, 9 and Kako. Highly unlikely I would think.

Or 

Trade out of pick 9 downwards and into the future. Example might be dees offer Future 1st plus picks 28, 47, 53 to give them points to match a Kako bid. 

Kako + dees f1

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Edited October 10 by Moonshadow

[drdrake 3,163]

If we can land pick 9 with future first and pick 28 you would take that, maybe try to get future third back as part of the deal.

 

[Nascent 9,208]

 

BOMBERS PONDER OPTIONS ON TOP PICK
ESSENDON has conceded it will be difficult to move up the draft order and get in ahead of an Isaac Kako bid, with the Bombers now listening to rival offers for their No.9 selection.

As reported by AFL.com.au on Wednesday, Melbourne is among the teams expected to come hard for pick No.9 as Essendon ponders moving the selection back or into the future to avoid it being absorbed by an earlier bid on Kako.

Speaking to AFL.com.au's Gettable on Thursday, Bombers list manager Matt Rosa revealed the club had tried to get up the order but said it is unlikely such a possibility would eventuate.

"We've explored that," Rosa said.

"We've spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there's the potential of moving up. But I think, as time goes on, we've really realised that it's going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft. Everyone is valuing those high picks. It's something that we'll keep exploring, but I would say it's unlikely at this stage."

Instead, Essendon is more likely to move the pick back – subsequently amassing more points to match a bid on Kako – or into the future, to ensure it doesn't get lost completely when a bid on the small forward is placed.

"We're still living in a space where we're just assessing all of our options," Rosa said.

"We have had some offers and some interest in that pick No.9, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future. We're in a position where we've just really got to listen to all opportunities.

"Clearly, the pointy end of this draft is strong. It would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick No.9 at this stage. But we're listening to all options at the moment."

Essendon could wait through the Trade Period and into draft night before deciding on whether it shifts pick No.9, with the club hopeful of using three or four selections at this year's draft. – Riley Beveridge

 

 

Edited October 10 by Nascent

[hardtack 10,534]

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

BOMBERS PONDER OPTIONS ON TOP PICK

ESSENDON has conceded it will be difficult to move up the draft order and get in ahead of an Isaac Kako bid, with the Bombers now listening to rival offers for their No.9 selection.

As reported by AFL.com.au on Wednesday, Melbourne is among the teams expected to come hard for pick No.9 as Essendon ponders moving the selection back or into the future to avoid it being absorbed by an earlier bid on Kako.

Speaking to AFL.com.au's Gettable on Thursday, Bombers list manager Matt Rosa revealed the club had tried to get up the order but said it is unlikely such a possibility would eventuate.

"We've explored that," Rosa said.

"We've spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there's the potential of moving up. But I think, as time goes on, we've really realised that it's going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft. Everyone is valuing those high picks. It's something that we'll keep exploring, but I would say it's unlikely at this stage."

 

 

Isaac Kako celebrates a goal during Vic Metro's Marsh U18 National Championships Boys match against Vic Country on July 14, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos

Instead, Essendon is more likely to move the pick back – subsequently amassing more points to match a bid on Kako – or into the future, to ensure it doesn't get lost completely when a bid on the small forward is placed.

"We're still living in a space where we're just assessing all of our options," Rosa said.

"We have had some offers and some interest in that pick No.9, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future. We're in a position where we've just really got to listen to all opportunities.

"Clearly, the pointy end of this draft is strong. It would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick No.9 at this stage. But we're listening to all options at the moment."

Essendon could wait through the Trade Period and into draft night before deciding on whether it shifts pick No.9, with the club hopeful of using three or four selections at this year's draft. – Riley Beveridge

Edit: Apologies for font size.

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[Nascent 9,208]

1 minute ago, hardtack said:

You don’t possibly have a larger font do you? I’m having a little trouble reading your post.

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