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Looks like the Nibbler trade is pretty much locked in according to Cal Twomey

Crows have landed Isaac Cumming and remain on track to secure Alex Neal-Bullen as early as Monday using their second draft pick (now No.28).

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    5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

    North are very open to sliding back so my proposition would be 

    2 and 22 for our 5 and future first. 

    Assuming we make the 8 next year we could guess that would make it something like 5 and 13 for 2 and 22 which feels reasonably fair in general. 

    Isn't the top 5-10 a bit of a raffle in this draft? I don't see the value in moving up a couple of spots.

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    49 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Looks like the Nibbler trade is pretty much locked in according to Cal Twomey

    Crows have landed Isaac Cumming and remain on track to secure Alex Neal-Bullen as early as Monday using their second draft pick (now No.28).

    Sheesh it will be 35 by the time we use it

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    2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

    Sheesh it will be 35 by the time we use it

    The FA compensation picks have pushed it back but it doesn't really matter how much further back the Academy and F/S selections push it because those plyers aren't really available anyway. It will still be 28th pick in the available draft.

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    9 hours ago, old55 said:

    The FA compensation picks have pushed it back but it doesn't really matter how much further back the Academy and F/S selections push it because those plyers aren't really available anyway. It will still be 28th pick in the available draft.

    It’s been genuinely pushed back though by the Battle, Perryman and Cumming compo picks though. More FAs might mean more compo pushes it back further. 

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    9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    It’s been genuinely pushed back though by the Battle, Perryman and Cumming compo picks though. More FAs might mean more compo pushes it back further. 

    I said that - you know, the part where it reads "pushed it back ..."

    Who are these "more FAs" who are going to command Band 1 or 2 compo and push it back further?

    Edited by old55

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    18 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

    North are very open to sliding back so my proposition would be 

    2 and 22 for our 5 and future first. 

    Assuming we make the 8 next year we could guess that would make it something like 5 and 13 for 2 and 22 which feels reasonably fair in general. 

    They might consider this if JT was excited about a player he thinks wouldn’t slide to pick 5, however…

    Appears the play this draft is volume of picks in the first 1-2 rounds as opposed to improving on our pick 5

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    ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

    Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

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    26 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

    ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

    Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

    If ANB was OOC we would not be getting first round compo for him. Compo is based on money and KPP's go at a premium.

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    Trade future first into this year, plus extra points for next year f/s white and nga talent due through for us

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    On 05/10/2024 at 08:48, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

    Unless GC have high confidence in us bombing in 2025 then it feels like other clubs with interest are ahead of us with what they can offer. 

    By bombing do you mean playing like we did this year?

    Most clubs would have us bottom 6 i’d reckon

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    20 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    I'd say a betting person would say our future first will be between 6 and 14 so trading for pick 13 is not a great trade

    I really think we are overestimating what we will do next year

    The betting agencies have us as 5th last for next year. Not one expert will pick us to make the finals. Clubs would view our F1 as between pick 4-9 i would would guess

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    53 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

    ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

    Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

    Battle is a few years younger and is ‘rarer’ in terms of the position he plays.  Stk looked after a bit with the compo, yes, but the contrast to what we’ll get for Nibbler isn’t outrageous 

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    2 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    Battle is a few years younger and is ‘rarer’ in terms of the position he plays.  Stk looked after a bit with the compo, yes, but the contrast to what we’ll get for Nibbler isn’t outrageous 

    i don't think they were 'looked after' any more than what we were when frawley left

    arguably, battle's contract is probably bigger than chip's was, and he was younger when he left his first team

    gonna be interesting to see how dingley re-tools their defence with battle and barras likely to come in to it

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    On 05/10/2024 at 07:52, mo64 said:

    It really worked out well for us last year, lol.

    We traded picks 14, 27 and 35 to get pick 11. Don't get me wrong, I like Tholstrup, but we could have got Darcy Wilson, Logan Morris, Shaun Mannagh, Lawson Humphries or Sam Clohessy with later picks. Instead we topped up our list with recycled hacks after re-signing Schache.

    I have no faith in our list management.

     

    Improved coaching and player development initiatives (combined) must be called upon to better those who we pick up within our 'allocated' priorities- and those that we take specifically for 'development' down the track. 

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    42 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    i don't think they were 'looked after' any more than what we were when frawley left

    I don’t disagree

     

    42 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    arguably, battle's contract is probably bigger than chip's was

    Salary caps were smaller back then (I think). It raises the point though; compensation - or at least I believe - is about looking after sides who are losing players in free agency beyond their control ie to successful sides in a premiership window, as much as it is a size of contract thing… I think that is where the ‘special herbs and spices’ come in, there are some elements beyond salary size/contract length that determine compensation. 

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    3 hours ago, old55 said:

    I said that - you know, the part where it reads "pushed it back ..."

    Who are these "more FAs" who are going to command Band 1 or 2 compo and push it back further?

    Sorry, completely missed your first sentence somehow. 

    No idea who the other FAs are - perhaps none. I was otherwise agreeing with you - FA compo pushes picks back but f/s and academy picks don’t, as those players aren’t on the market. 

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    1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

    Sorry, completely missed your first sentence somehow. 

    No idea who the other FAs are - perhaps none. I was otherwise agreeing with you - FA compo pushes picks back but f/s and academy picks don’t, as those players aren’t on the market. 

    Cheers, enjoy your posting.

    AFAIK there's no more big budget FAs left to deliver significant picks.

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    17 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

    Isn't the top 5-10 a bit of a raffle in this draft? I don't see the value in moving up a couple of spots.

    It depends on how you rate the talent. I would say the top 4 live selections (Not including Ashcroft) are very clearly the top 4 in Smith, Lalor, Langford, O'Sullivan. we could easily miss all four of them as it stands, so the value is, we potentially get access to a significantly better player, as well as an additional pick in the 20's in THIS draft which is loaded with talent, all for the price of backing ourselves to improve in 2025 which we should. 

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    1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    I don’t disagree

     

    Salary caps were smaller back then (I think). It raises the point though; compensation - or at least I believe - is about looking after sides who are losing players in free agency beyond their control ie to successful sides in a premiership window, as much as it is a size of contract thing… I think that is where the ‘special herbs and spices’ come in, there are some elements beyond salary size/contract length that determine compensation. 

    The difference was Frawley was our most important (best) player at that time.

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    3 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

    ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

    Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

    Correct, not a hope in hell you would give pick 8 for battle. It’s [censored].

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    18 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

    It depends on how you rate the talent. I would say the top 4 live selections (Not including Ashcroft) are very clearly the top 4 in Smith, Lalor, Langford, O'Sullivan. we could easily miss all four of them as it stands, so the value is, we potentially get access to a significantly better player, as well as an additional pick in the 20's in THIS draft which is loaded with talent, all for the price of backing ourselves to improve in 2025 which we should. 

    We'll pick off the remaining player off this list in Lalor, Smith, FOS, Langford and Draper.

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    5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    We'll pick off the remaining player off this list in Lalor, Smith, FOS, Langford and Draper.

    Do you have a preference and or inkling as to who might slip through to us? they're all very very handy players, I can't see Adelaide passing on the S.A boy in Draper, a trade at the top end would complicate things further potentially. 

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    On 05/10/2024 at 10:45, Mach5 said:


    I feel like we wouldn’t rate Reid in our top 10.

    Any reason or just gut feel?

    I personally rate him highly, and think he would add a new dimension to our midfield. 

    Also, think Cal Twomey is the most credible analyst considering his direct access to recruiters and list managers - and he thinks Murphy is top 5

    Edited by Lord Neville X Flash

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    1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

    Do you have a preference and or inkling as to who might slip through to us? they're all very very handy players, I can't see Adelaide passing on the S.A boy in Draper, a trade at the top end would complicate things further potentially. 

    My top 5 Phantom draft.

    Richmond: Sam Lalor

    North: Finn O'Sullivan 

    West Coast: Jagga Smith

    Adelaide: Sid Draper

    Melbourne: Harvey Langford 

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