17 minutes ago, Fanatique Demon said:

Thank WOK. I know of Ray Biffin. Who is Biffin Jnr?

I think Biffin jnr refers to the son of the demonland poster with the handle  @Biffinas he is the one mentioning Biffin jnr

Edited November 29, 2024Nov 29 by reynolds46

3 hours ago, reynolds46 said:

I think Biffin jnr refers to the son of the demonland poster with the handle  @Biffinas he is the one mentioning Biffin jnr

Thanks, R46.

AFL HAS ANNOUNCED THEY ARE TAKING SUBMISSIONS ON THE NGA … with changes being considered. 

Dees admin and footy leaders - wake up !!!  
 

Clubs are expected to have a range of views on the next steps for the NGA, with decisions on zone changes and any eligibility process tweaks expected to be announced in coming months.

We should try to get changes and include players of Polynesian background. There is no real pathway or role models for such youngsters. 

1 minute ago, spirit of norm smith said:

AFL HAS ANNOUNCED THEY ARE TAKING SUBMISSIONS ON THE NGA … with changes being considered. 

Dees admin and footy leaders - wake up !!!  
 

Clubs are expected to have a range of views on the next steps for the NGA, with decisions on zone changes and any eligibility process tweaks expected to be announced in coming months.

We should try to get changes and include players of Polynesian background. There is no real pathway or role models for such youngsters. 

We should definitely do that.... doesn't make any sense.

I guess the key is if Tairon Ah-Mu had one or both parents born outside of Australia.

But without a doubt NGA should be opened to anyone with a parent born outside of Australia. Are we trying to grow the game or not?

 

I would rather these pathways be scrapped and taken over by the AFL...

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

I would rather these pathways be scrapped and taken over by the AFL...

You mean the same group that stitched us up with Mac Andrew so that they could bolster GC? The same people who allowed Phat Phil Scully to have a recruitment 'job' within GWS's salary cap? Those people? The ones that allowed Judd's $400 000 Visy ambassador salary to be signed off? The same one's who allow Cotton On to be an extension of any offer to Cats players and family? Not for mine rjay

57 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

You mean the same group that stitched us up with Mac Andrew so that they could bolster GC? The same people who allowed Phat Phil Scully to have a recruitment 'job' within GWS's salary cap? Those people? The ones that allowed Judd's $400 000 Visy ambassador salary to be signed off? The same one's who allow Cotton On to be an extension of any offer to Cats players and family? Not for mine rjay

Not sure how old you are 'Return' but the old zone system really stitched us up and was a big reason why we went so long without a flag.

I'm against anything that looks like a zone and would rather we keep some integrity in the draft. The current system as you have already alluded to can be too easily rorted like the old zone system was.

The less interference the better, keep things simple.

Go to the draft, let the AFL spend their money on development.

Development of the game after all is a big part of their charter.

clubs should have ZERO claim on the nga 'zones' imo

it's not as bad as the bad old days when clubs would move players across the street in order to change their zones, but it's not far off

imagine how the pear feel about darryl borlase's kid - his dad was a legend of the club at sanfl level, but because his son was born in egypt while his dad was working for the wheat board (i think it was), he was 'zoned' to the crom

ridiculous situation that makes the ah-mu is-he-isn't-he (which was only the case here, not at the club, it would seem) situation pale by comparison

Edited February 6Feb 6 by whatwhat say what

Just send all the kids to the draft, no nga, no zones, no concessions. [censored] teams get an extra pick between rounds. It’s unnecessarily complicated. I think they like it this way so they can cook the books

4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

clubs should have ZERO claim on the nga 'zones' imo

it's not as bad as the bad old days when clubs would move players across the street in order to change their zones, but it's not far off

imagine how the pear feel about darryl borlase's kid - his dad was a legend of the club at sanfl level, but because his son was born in egypt while his dad was working for the wheat board (i think it was), he was 'zoned' to the crom

ridiculous situation that makes the ah-mu is-he-isn't-he (which was only the case here, not at the club, it would seem) situation pale by comparison

I disagree with this. The NGA zones are to promote AFL with both indigenous groups and people with a non-traditional background to afl, specifically parents that are born overseas. The point of this is to increase the numbers of indigenous players in the afl and to grow the game, which are both extremely important.

They definitely need to tweak certain parts of it, but I think it is crucial for the growth of AFL and competing with other sports.

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Not sure how old you are 'Return' but the old zone system really stitched us up and was a big reason why we went so long without a flag.

Totally agree.  But we had just won 6 flags and I could understand the VFL wanting to share it around.  But the zones were supposed to be rotated and they never were.

And the Saints were stitched up too as a number of players in there 66 team came from down the pennisula and most of that aarea went to Hawthorn.  And the rest is history.

3 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I disagree with this. The NGA zones are to promote AFL with both indigenous groups and people with a non-traditional background to afl, specifically parents that are born overseas. The point of this is to increase the numbers of indigenous players in the afl and to grow the game, which are both extremely important.

They definitely need to tweak certain parts of it, but I think it is crucial for the growth of AFL and competing with other sports.

in theory that's true

in reality, we all know it's far, far from it

15 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

in theory that's true

in reality, we all know it's far, far from it

Potentially, but it isn’t a reason to scrap it. They should be reviewing it regularly to ensure it is fit for purpose. They also need clubs to show how they are supporting the players in their academy

13 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Potentially, but it isn’t a reason to scrap it. They should be reviewing it regularly to ensure it is fit for purpose. They also need clubs to show how they are supporting the players in their academy

The AFL's charter is to grow the game...they should be doing the work and not pushing it to the clubs.

A big  reason they granted academies to Victorian clubs was because of the whining of McGuire and co in regard to the Northern academies.

Instead of fixing things they just made them worse. The whole system is a dogs breakfast...

3 hours ago, rjay said:

The AFL's charter is to grow the game...they should be doing the work and not pushing it to the clubs.

A big  reason they granted academies to Victorian clubs was because of the whining of McGuire and co in regard to the Northern academies.

Instead of fixing things they just made them worse. The whole system is a dogs breakfast...

As you've highlighted already rjay. 

Nothing's changed and i believe the zoning fiasco started about 1967 yes?

2027 is just around the corner.

Nearly 60 years of VFL / AFL Circus Crappola with no end in sight.

11 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I disagree with this. The NGA zones are to promote AFL with both indigenous groups and people with a non-traditional background to afl, specifically parents that are born overseas. The point of this is to increase the numbers of indigenous players in the afl and to grow the game, which are both extremely important.

They definitely need to tweak certain parts of it, but I think it is crucial for the growth of AFL and competing with other sports.

They can have academies without having players linked to clubs.

Kids with one parent born overseas still have one parent born in Australia who grew up watching/playing Aussie rules. The kids also grow up watching/playing Aussie rules. It's a rort and only brought in because Eddie and some of the big clubs started cracking it about the northern academies. Instead of getting rid of them they came up with this debacle. It ruins the integrity of the draft which is a key pillar of equalisation.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They can have academies without having players linked to clubs.

Kids with one parent born overseas still have one parent born in Australia who grew up watching/playing Aussie rules. The kids also grow up watching/playing Aussie rules. It's a rort and only brought in because Eddie and some of the big clubs started cracking it about the northern academies. Instead of getting rid of them they came up with this debacle. It ruins the integrity of the draft which is a key pillar of equalisation.

I do understand your points and don’t disagree that there are issues with the current academy, but still think they are a good idea but rules should be tightened.

1. Perhaps the player had to be born overseas or had two parents born overseas.

2. I think clubs should have to show long term support of the player in question. For example, they should have to had been in the academy prior to making a representative side or for a specific timeframe, say 3 years minimum.

The AFL run their own programs for these groups I’m sure, but having links to a club I think is more important to keeping them in the game and getting them to AFL level.

On one hand I think the NGAs are a rort, on the other hand I would like to be on the receiving end of said rort.

Hopefully we have a word with them and gain access to Tairon

 

6 minutes ago, roy11 said:

On one hand I think the NGAs are a rort, on the other hand I would like to be on the receiving end of said rort.

Hopefully we have a word with them and gain access to Tairon

 

the mfcss in me says there's no chance they backdate it, particularly if the kid is expected to be a top 10 selection as a key position forward

anyway, our draft targets at the end of 2025 are clearly kalani white and toby sinnema; ah-mu who?

31 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

 anyway, our draft targets at the end of 2025 are clearly kalani white and toby sinnema; ah-mu who?

And therein lies the problem. If we are targeting Kalani White who is a 200cm plus tall, is there any value in investing in a 198cm tall who is also going to cost heavily in terms of draft points?

43 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

And therein lies the problem. If we are targeting Kalani White who is a 200cm plus tall, is there any value in investing in a 198cm tall who is also going to cost heavily in terms of draft points?

also, we know that gc17 and gw$ have a limit in terms of how many nga kids they can have - 4 if they don't make finals, 2 if they do

does the same apply for clubs with access to both f/s and nga selections? as such, would we be limited to 2 if when we make finals in 2025?

i expect it's more rules-on-the-run from the afl

Edited February 6Feb 6 by whatwhat say what

May be some light at the end of the tunnel on this one. AFL website article today  “Clubs pitch for access to Pacific Island talent…” Fingers crossed for a more inclusive policy from head office.

Edited March 13Mar 13 by Tarax Club

2 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

May be some light at the end of the tunnel on this one. AFL website article “Clubs pitch for access to Pacific Island talent…” Fingers crossed for a more inclusive policy.

"The League's discussions around the rule would be unlikely to change access to prospects in this year's draft."

20 minutes ago, adonski said:

"The League's discussions around the rule would be unlikely to change access to prospects in this year's draft."

“But the potential to opening up of further access… could benefit the demons down the track with his (Tairon Ah-Mu’s) brother Corey shaping as a talent for the 2027 draft pool.”

 

Edited March 13Mar 13 by Tarax Club
Always read the fine print.

Corey is the one who has already shown a fair bit in comparison to Tairon (albeit only in his 15/16’s year.) Here’s hoping.