Does the club need a full and external review?

[demoncat 917]

Disappointed that this isn’t a full external review as initially reported but I do think there are contract and soft cap concerns if we were to make mass changes in our administration (had a fully external review called for this)

And at the end of the day it is the FD that is responsible for our on field performance and I’m glad that this will be the primary focus of the review, as for better or worse it is clearly the area that will dictate our performance in 2025 more than any other 

[Watson11 2,203]

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

Disappointed that this isn’t a full external review as initially reported but I do think there are contract and soft cap concerns if we were to make mass changes in our administration (had a fully external review called for this)

And at the end of the day it is the FD that is responsible for our on field performance and I’m glad that this will be the primary focus of the review, as for better or worse it is clearly the area that will dictate our performance in 2025 more than any other 

I agree that if it isn't a full external review its disappointing but don't agree that the FD is solely responsible for on-field performance. 

Fitness and injuries are critical. Our injury management has been poor since the end of 2021.  If you send players out to play that are unfit or injured then either they don't perform to the standard (ie our entire team from mid 2022) or exacerbate the injury and miss lots of time (ala Clarry, Spargo etc).  A review absolutely should include our medical/fitness departments and the CEOs role in resourcing and managing those departments.  If the CEO does the review it will be a whitewash.

[FreedFromDesire 593]

10 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Disappointed that this isn’t a full external review as initially reported but I do think there are contract and soft cap concerns if we were to make mass changes in our administration (had a fully external review called for this)

And at the end of the day it is the FD that is responsible for our on field performance and I’m glad that this will be the primary focus of the review, as for better or worse it is clearly the area that will dictate our performance in 2025 more than any other 

Apologies as I might have missed some information among all the posts - It's quite hard to keep up with everything - but where has it been reported it's not a fully external review? From what I have heard, Darren Shand will have full control of the process. Has someone said otherwise?

[picket fence 16,636]

19 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Disappointed that this isn’t a full external review as initially reported but I do think there are contract and soft cap concerns if we were to make mass changes in our administration (had a fully external review called for this)

And at the end of the day it is the FD that is responsible for our on field performance and I’m glad that this will be the primary focus of the review, as for better or worse it is clearly the area that will dictate our performance in 2025 more than any other 

Agree this is more a Claytons Review if it also involves current personnel, but at least its a start!

[demoncat 917]

17 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Apologies as I might have missed some information among all the posts - It's quite hard to keep up with everything - but where has it been reported it's not a fully external review? From what I have heard, Darren Shand will have full control of the process. Has someone said otherwise?

Jay Clark and Tom Morris have reported that Pert and Green will conduct the review alongside Shand

[Demonland 70,233]

[FreedFromDesire 593]

11 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Jay Clark and Tom Morris have reported that Pert and Green will conduct the review alongside Shand

Thanks for passing that on, I've missed that in the pile. I'm not sure I would take that in the same way others have - It wouldn't be a surprise they're involved would it? They're both in charge of key areas. I don't think it would necessarily mean they have control over it as such. I do believe Darren Shand will have autonomy.

[The Jackson FIX 2,681]

Sounds like we need an external review of the partially-external review!

[Freddy Fuschia 729]

1 hour ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Thanks for passing that on, I've missed that in the pile. I'm not sure I would take that in the same way others have - It wouldn't be a surprise they're involved would it? They're both in charge of key areas. I don't think it would necessarily mean they have control over it as such. I do believe Darren Shand will have autonomy.

Obviously the President and CEO have to have a role in the process. Who would we like to oversee the process? Bozo the Clown.

Let's see how it progresses before jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

Edited September 9 by Freddy Fuschia

[Earl Hood 6,057]

5 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

We have just had our dirty laundry aired out in the public eye for the last 3 months, and you want an external review containing all our flaws send to McClure and Morris for more punishment??

You want any findings completely buried again, like last time? Professional reports for public consumption don’t engage in witch hunts, denigrating individuals or airing dirty linen, they identify areas needing improvement & set out specific actions to achieve improvement.

[Kent 2,857]

4 hours ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Apologies as I might have missed some information among all the posts - It's quite hard to keep up with everything - but where has it been reported it's not a fully external review? From what I have heard, Darren Shand will have full control of the process. Has someone said otherwise?

Let's see the TOR before we judge thus Pert and Green being a part is not a good look. Shand could be a sham!It doesn't stack up as an external review in my view

[FreedFromDesire 593]

12 minutes ago, Kent said:

Let's see the TOR before we judge thus Pert and Green being a part is not a good look. Shand could be a sham!It doesn't stack up as an external review in my view

I don't mean to be a smart Alec here, but the first 7 words of your post do not match the rest of your post.

I'm willing to let it play out and see what outcomes are forthcoming.

[Hawk the Demon 739]

5 hours ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Apologies as I might have missed some information among all the posts - It's quite hard to keep up with everything - but where has it been reported it's not a fully external review? From what I have heard, Darren Shand will have full control of the process. Has someone said otherwise?

Your confusion comes from the fact that the Club has said nothing officially.....

[layzie 32,740]

3 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Obviously the President and CEO have to have a role in the process. Who would we like to oversee the process? Bozo the Clown.

Let's see how it progresses before jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

Haha.

"Who do you want to talk to first, the guy in the bumblebee suit or the guy with the bone in his hair?"

[FreedFromDesire 593]

1 minute ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Your confusion comes from the fact that the Club has said nothing officially.....

Perhaps. But given the club has said nothing officially it could also be said that the continuous negative comments about what it entails and how it's setup are perhaps premature as well.

[Kent 2,857]

7 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps. But given the club has said nothing officially it could also be said that the continuous negative comments about what it entails and how it's setup are perhaps premature as well.

Announcing green and Pert as part of the EXTERNAL review is enough for me to remain negative

[Clintosaurus 7,543]

Pert and Green are always going to have some involvement. I don't think they would be running it or interfering to any extent.

We shouldn't be releasing the findings or recommendations publicly. implement the changes and get on with winning the 2025 flag.

[FreedFromDesire 593]

9 minutes ago, Kent said:

Announcing green and Pert as part of the EXTERNAL review is enough for me to remain negative

That hasn't been announced, it's been reported by journalists. You're waiting for the TOR I thought?

[daisycutter 29,296]

personally, i wouldn't accept anything  short of a full royal commission.

let's do it properly, none of this boy's club stuff

[Biffen 12,805]

7 hours ago, Roost it far said:

According to Morris on SEN we are having an external review 

Morris will also confirm later that he has heard rumours that the band is , in fact , up him, despite previous uncertainty.

[old dee 23,480]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

personally, i wouldn't accept anything  short of a full royal commission.

let's do it properly, none of this boy's club stuff

There lies the problem dc. Avoiding the boys club stuff. 

[old dee 23,480]

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

Morris will also confirm later that he has heard rumours that the band is , in fact , up him, despite previous uncertainty.

I heard it was a tram with a Connie ringing the bell Biffen.

Edited September 9 by old dee

[Clintosaurus 7,543]

41 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

That hasn't been announced, it's been reported by journalists. You're waiting for the TOR I thought?

But the media always tell the truth!!!

[dazzledavey36 52,702]

The blind leading the blind.

[Clintosaurus 7,543]

I see Michael Warner is having another crack. 

AFL HQ have to be at least somewhat on board with the media's continued attack, as they like to control everything, including shutting down unfavourable stories about certain other clubs.