Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[48 Year Now 84]

I was never impressed with Perts resume prior to joining us but met him once and he was pleasant. I congratulated him on his part in the 2021 Premiership as a 60 year plus supporter. Strangely he immediately moved the conversation to..and how good were our girls as if for a supporter who has experienced misery for decades cares equally for the men’s and women’s game.

 

[drysdale demon 4,741]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What we have now is not leading to any of those things. The people running the club are incompetent. I agree that leaving it up to the members to vote isn't a recipe for success but the mob in there at the moment have burnt any goodwill they may have had. 2021 is in the past, the only premiership I care about is the next one and the current administration are proving they are not fit to lead us there.

You have no idea what is really going and a lot of it is linked to a certain poster and his and his families businesses and their interests.

Edited Tuesday at 21:38 by drysdale demon
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[Roost it far 7,670]

8 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You have no idea what is really going and a lot of it is linked to a certain poster and his and his families businesses and their interests.

Why don't you tell us then

[waynewussell 4,982]

53 minutes ago, 48 Year Now said:

I was never impressed with Perts resume prior to joining us but met him once and he was pleasant. I congratulated him on his part in the 2021 Premiership as a 60 year plus supporter. Strangely he immediately moved the conversation to..and how good were our girls as if for a supporter who has experienced misery for decades cares equally for the men’s and women’s game.

 

Well , this is conclusive proof that Pert was on the grassy knoll in Dallas!

[rpfc 28,079]

9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What we have now is not leading to any of those things. The people running the club are incompetent. I agree that leaving it up to the members to vote isn't a recipe for success but the mob in there at the moment have burnt any goodwill they may have had. 2021 is in the past, the only premiership I care about is the next one and the current administration are proving they are not fit to lead us there.

No, but a curated board empowered and installed by the AFL did give us a flag and a united club. 

[daisycutter 29,429]

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

You have no idea what is really going and a lot of it is linked to a certain poster and his and his families businesses and their interests.

so why not tell us who he is and his family and what his businesses are?

at the very least give us some generic hints

[Hawk the Demon 822]

Thanks for all those long posts Skuitt. I'll keep my post brief.

1. I am not being paid to post on Demonland. Is that clear?

2. Your conspiracy theory about dark forces, construction companies, etc (and you seem to be making a clear link to particular organisations) is simply not true. The DL administrators can make their own calls - but I would be cautious about some of those accusations.

3. Many of your assertions are attributed to Lawrence. His contact details are readily available - and it seems he is coherent and quite enjoys talking to other MFC members - based on other posters comments on here. Send him an email and report back.

[layzie 33,299]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

so why not tell us who he is and his family and what his businesses are?

at the very least give us some generic hints

Or at very least, some smoke signals 

[48 Year Now 84]

2 hours ago, waynewussell said:

Well , this is conclusive proof that Pert was on the grassy knoll in Dallas!

Could be deep, could be meaningless.

[Hawk the Demon 822]

Pretty sure he wasn't in the School Book Depository building 🙂

[Ollie fan 3,161]

All this shafting of Pert seems to be based on the allegation that he was hawking Clarry around. Is there any proof of that allegation, or is it just media-started rumours? 
 

And why isn't anyone paying attention to where Clarry said that he was not interested in Geelong (see p.27 of the Clarry thread)?

[Demonstone 21,958]

44 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

All this shafting of Pert seems to be based on the allegation that he was hawking Clarry around.

The plot thickens if Pert really was trying to Hawk the Demon.

[drysdale demon 4,741]

6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

so why not tell us who he is and his family and what his businesses are?

at the very least give us some generic hints

I will pm you in the next couple of days, am doing a lot of driving at the moment.

[drysdale demon 4,741]

5 hours ago, layzie said:

Or at very least, some smoke signals 

I am currently on my way to the USA to arrange that, keep your eyes open.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

3 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I will pm you in the next couple of days, am doing a lot of driving at the moment.

PM me too please

[drysdale demon 4,741]

8 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Why don't you tell us then

I will pm you in next couple of days, don't think the mods would allow it to be shown.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

1 hour ago, Ollie fan said:

All this shafting of Pert seems to be based on the allegation that he was hawking Clarry around. Is there any proof of that allegation, or is it just media-started rumours? 
 

And why isn't anyone paying attention to where Clarry said that he was not interested in Geelong (see p.27 of the Clarry thread)?

The "shafting of Pert" is not solely down to the Clarry issue but that could be the final straw

[Dr Don Duffy 89]

On 29/09/2024 at 01:47, Demon Disciple said:

In what way 🤔.

i am in no way a Lawrence fan (the way he has gone about it……….wow), but equally the way the leaders of our club (coach, pres, ceo, heck even players) have gone about it talking about not becoming complacent, yet look what’s happened……..equally wow.

 

 

DD, I think the thing to consider to give some perspective here is your point about “the way he has gone about it”. 

It seems pretty clear that the board has taken the bully approach in dealing with Mr Lawrence. They have denied any requests at conciliation to alter their poor governance practices until forced to under the pressure of litigation. They have effectively thought they would make him blink by staring him down. That he has had the resources to call their bluff and actually achieve nearly all of his suggested changes is a massive indictment of the board and a big tick for Lawrence in getting better outcomes for the club.

I don’t like bullies, and I particularly don’t like bullies who use hundreds of thousands of dollars of my club’s funds on court cases that should not have got that far and that had little merit. 

To put it another way, @Demon Disciple, I actually applaud Lawrence for not just accepting the “Just nick off!” approach by the board. We need people who are prepared to stand up and see it through to getting good outcomes. That’s actually in the bailiwick of “good culture”. Heaven forbid that we should be wandering in to that territory!

I actually find it quite disheartening to see the vilification of Mr Lawrence by some posters. I’ve taken the trouble to engage with him on these matters, being able to access his phone number when he first stood for the board.

Do yourself a favour: PM me and I’ll give you his contact details, and engage with him personally to see the cut of his jib - it’s more than we get from most of the “cordon me off from the great unwashed” board members we’ve had over the journey. Don’t just pot him without engaging him. 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,765]

Am I alone in seeing an analogy to 2011 ( after 186)when we sacked Bailey, when all the players wanted Schwabb to go, not him?

[Supreme_Demon 3,462]

I am neutral regarding Peter Lawrence.

But if he is calling for transparency from the Melbourne Football Club Board shouldn't that be a good thing?

Why couldn't Kate Roffey sit down with Peter Lawrence and reconcile things BEFORE they got to court? Or did they hate eachother's guts? Was there a huge personality clash between the two of them?

Anyway, I hope Brad Green can "break bread" with Peter Lawrence and sort out these issues with him.

I would be possibly open to supporting Peter Lawrence joining the Melbourne Board (if he gets enough votes and other Board members are willing to work with him).

However, my only condition to supporting him is if he is willing to pay back the court costs that the Melbourne Football Club had to pay. Why? Because we as paying Melbourne members had to unwillingly endure that cost.

It may seem unfair, but I assume Peter Lawrence is a wealthy man, and that money wasted on court costs, could of been invested into Club facilities at Casey, looked to promote membership in young people at schools, or even gone into a fund for our (hopeful) new Home Base at Caulfield Racecourse.

Edited Wednesday at 10:32 by Supreme_Demon

[Doug Reemer 1,163]

If Pert has gone Rogue and cost us Oliver. He has to [censored] go. I’m not the type to stop my membership. But I’ll be on SEN giving this arrogant FU ar King kerrnt and absolute earful. 
 

I go by Fog on SEN too.

[bing181 9,115]

Pert hasn’t gone rogue. This is club-wide, from the board down. There’s enough info out there. 

[whatwhat say what 22,312]

posted this yesterday on the oliver thread; true here too

people criticising pert for being a ceo involved in the football dept - that's literally a football club ceo's biggest portfolio 

that's why you get people like pert, kelly, hocking, gale etc. in there; they've got 30 plus years of footballing business understanding and experience

you actually DO want them having the direct conversations around pushing your second highest paid staff member out of the club

there's a reason why oliver was meeting hocking and not scott down at the cattery

The amount of effort it required to keep players like him in line, and yet always provide a bail out option, is enormous

there’s a line where it becomes a whole-club distraction and other staff members - players, off field, etc. - begin to get a bit over it

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

posted this yesterday on the oliver thread; true here too

people criticising pert for being a ceo involved in the football dept - that's literally a football club ceo's biggest portfolio 

that's why you get people like pert, kelly, hocking, gale etc. in there; they've got 30 plus years of footballing business understanding and experience

you actually DO want them having the direct conversations around pushing your second highest paid staff member out of the club

there's a reason why oliver was meeting hocking and not scott down at the cattery

The amount of effort it required to keep players like him in line, and yet always provide a bail out option, is enormous

there’s a line where it becomes a whole-club distraction and other staff members - players, off field, etc. - begin to get a bit over it

The merits or otherwise of wanting to move Oliver on is one thing. The manner in which it is being handled is another. Under this administration it is the MO of the club to not have direct discussions with their staff (players) and then leak to the media to undermine the player and try and elicit sympathy for their actions from the supporters. It is [censored] cowardly and pure snake oil salesman BS. None of these issues occurred under Peter Jackson....

Edited Wednesday at 13:17 by Dr. Gonzo

[whatwhat say what 22,312]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The merits or otherwise of wanting to move Oliver on is one thing. The manner in which it is being handled is another. Under this administration it is the MO of the club to not have direct discussions with their staff (players) and then leak to the media to undermine the player and try and elicit sympathy for their actions from the supporters. It is [censored] cowardly and pure snake oil salesman BS. None of these issues occurred under Peter Jackson....

tell that to the peptides' supporters who remember pj as their ceo and you get a different story...

his role at the mfc was very, very different to that at the efc of course, just as pert's role as ceo is very different to pj's time as our ceo