Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[Dante 2,704]

27 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Let’s say, for instance, that we are raising a case about poor culture at GFC (a club that is considered to have a ‘good culture’). What could we use as ammo?

1)      Geelong star Tyson Stengle taken to hospital after nightclub incident

2)      Reigning Premiers, Geelong, miss top 8

3)      ‘Embarrassing, terrible, absurd’: AFL criticised for letting Cameron play  on after head knock

4)      Geelong coach Chris Scott has received a $10,000 suspended fine as a result of his interaction with Brisbane Lions players at quarter-time of Friday night's game at GMHBA

Etc etc...

Is this Demonland or Cat’s Corner, am I on the wrong board?

[waynewussell 4,854]

2 minutes ago, Dante said:

Is this Demonland or Cat’s Corner, am I on the wrong board?

No, just the wrong boat!

[waynewussell 4,854]

It has been inferred that CP5 is ‘disgruntled’ over the way the Clayton Oliver issue has been handled by the club. Considering that Clayton was on the brink during the second half of 2023, the fact that he played 21 games in 2024, and led the club for average disposals, is a minor miracle! I applaud the coach, his assistants, player leaders and officials for the transformation they bought about in Clayton’s health and wellbeing, and ultimately, in his output in 2024. He is now well positioned to start 2025 at the height of his powers. It’s up to him! I think too much has been made of Petracca’s concerns on this issue. Are they not great mates! Wouldn’t Christian be pleased to see a slow but steady redemption for Clayton. I would have thought that Christian would play a role in getting Clayton back on track (no pun intended) rather than using him as a catalyst for enquiring about possible trade options!

[Skuit 9,939]

43 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

It has been inferred that CP5 is ‘disgruntled’ over the way the Clayton Oliver issue has been handled by the club. Considering that Clayton was on the brink during the second half of 2023, the fact that he played 21 games in 2024, and led the club for average disposals, is a minor miracle! I applaud the coach, his assistants, player leaders and officials for the transformation they bought about in Clayton’s health and wellbeing, and ultimately, in his output in 2024. He is now well positioned to start 2025 at the height of his powers. It’s up to him! I think too much has been made of Petracca’s concerns on this issue. Are they not great mates! Wouldn’t Christian be pleased to see a slow but steady redemption for Clayton. I would have thought that Christian would play a role in getting Clayton back on track (no pun intended) rather than using him as a catalyst for enquiring about possible trade options!

Also time for a microdose WW. Don't let yourself get so wound up by John Ralph etc. and the media in general. 

We go into next year with possibly two of the league's top half a dozen midfielders. If we can get them fit and somewhere near their best then we'll be in for a shot at the flag. Some other things will also have to align of course. 

If not, the season will be another fizzer, and we can start looking at a rebuild and what path we take, be it via top-ups or a longer-term approach. The rest right now is basically fugazi, and nothing to lose sleep over for the next six months.  . 

[58er 5,910]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Also time for a microdose WW. Don't let yourself get so wound up by John Ralph etc. and the media in general. 

We go into next year with possibly two of the league's top half a dozen midfielders. If we can get them fit and somewhere near their best then we'll be in for a shot at the flag. Some other things will also have to align of course. 

If not, the season will be another fizzer, and we can start looking at a rebuild and what path we take, be it via top-ups or a longer-term approach. The rest right now is basically fugazi, and nothing to lose sleep over for the next six months.  . 

Congrats WW I don’t believe Perty should be hung out to dry defending our club. Yes it was a bit exaggerated as best culture in 40 years but  we had been attacked from all angles.

Kate tried to defend the Club similarly but really did not have the facts for a 20 minute defence almost out of the blue.

She realises now that her role of President has been tarnished and by falling virtually on her own sword has smartly turned to the succession plan of a great Demon in Stephen Dmith.

Perhaps she should consider ( if SS can align earlier ) to leave more promptly in 2025  to let the Club slightly reset and breathe into a new era, 

I am not sure about Whether Perty will be damaged enough to remain and most importantly if we can’t raise our game plan to be more exciting and up to 2025 speed then our once Champion team will flounder mid or bottom of the ladder.
Too much ability to ruin this last chance of resetting with the younger boys who have come on board. Some creative recruiting and trading is needed also. 

Goody will be also  fighting for his last chance. Once Kate goes he will have lost his main supporter.

Lets hope this all can be uplifting and we can all get back to a united front similar to 2021 because there is still 16 players from thst glorious 13 th Flag.

However Clubs like Geelongdid in 2011 are bigger than individuals and like them who lost Gary Ablett Jnr we must be realistic that Trac may still look to move on in 2025 as well. 
Our future is in our own hands with possibly new caretakers who we must embrace for our next successful era. 

As fans we must get behind our boys and give them their best chance of success. 

Snd “for  Trac’s sake “ let’s all get there in numbers and be a part of our 14th Flag this decade. 

Go you mighty Dees!! 
 

[Skuit 9,939]

The people who actually know me as a person on this board will know that I don't mean to be cruel, and wouldn't take the option to say this in public lightly: it may be time to consult a doctor, if not already done. 

[Demons11 6,704]

9 hours ago, waynewussell said:

There are quite a few people here who either need to declare their allegiances or cough up their information. The anti-Pert faction sounds like insider dealings. That’s a political push as far as I can see. I don’t mind ‘moving on’, as it has been put, but I smell political motivation behind what’s being presented as an appraisal of conduct. Please correct me if I am wrong, but don’t simply wave a banner!

I started this thread purely based on the fact the club has been in disarray over the past 12-18 months and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better.   Any organisation that exhibits these traits needs to change and it starts at the top (Pert) and then hopefully the new CEO  makes changes as they see fit.  This is not a discredit the character of Pert but more a push for a change to hopefully get the club moving in the right direction again. 

[picket fence 16,637]

On 01/09/2024 at 17:12, KozzyCan said:

Judging by her answers she probably hasn't even heard the news that Trac is staying.

[Dr Don Duffy 76]

18 hours ago, waynewussell said:

When I read what some have said about Gary Pert here, you would think he started life in 2023! In the interests of providing a full picture of his VFL/AFL life, I have listed some key moments.

Gary Pert

VFL schoolboys tour of Ireland 1981

Made his senior debut in 1982 as a 16 year old

163 games for Fitzroy

State of Origin team in 1984 as an 18 year old

VC for Fitzroy in 1988

70 games for Collingwood

Played for Victoria 6 times

AA team 1985

Fitzroy Best & Fairest 1989

Fitzroy Team of the Century

CEO of Collingwood 2007 – 2017

CEO of Melbourne 2018 -

That makes him CEO of two Premiership teams!

I make that 43 years of decorated service so far!

 

So Pert was a good footballer. Big deal. Brian Cook was a modest player, playing a few games for us in the 70s, but has been a great CEO at 3 clubs. I want someone of Cook’s calibre as our CEO so we can let Pert have more time in his pool room to polish his trophies and decorations. Ability to kick the pigskin around is irrelevant as to quality of leadership at senior executive level.

We’re talking about a bloke whose conduct during the AGM was very poor, and who famously came out and told us our culture was the best he’d seen in a footy club in 40 years. And where’s our Strategic Plan that was promised to be delivered back in February? These are the publicly visible shortfalls in performance. I’d be thinking about icebergs and wondering about the level of performance on things we don’t have visibility on. 

As to CEO of two flag teams, the first one would be under Maguire as effective executive president, and the second would be where he Steven Bradbury’d in to be CEO of the House that PJ Built. 

As a CEO he’s probably a good footballer. By all means maintain your cheerleader allegiance to him, but I’ll be barracking for our club to have the best leadership we can get.

 

 

Edited September 4 by Dr Don Duffy

[Dante 2,704]

12 hours ago, waynewussell said:

No, just the wrong boat!

I think my boat's ok; it's yours that's sinking and not slowly.

[picket fence 16,637]

RE HEADLINE, have they left the building yet?? And if not WHY NOT??

[Elwood 3184 1,291]

6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

RE HEADLINE, have they left the building yet?? And if not WHY NOT??

I don't get it.

People are demanding an independent investigation and others are asking why board members and employees haven't left the building.

Shouldn't that depend on what an investigation uncovers or are people always guilty as charged on the say so of other relying on as yet unproven "facts"?

 

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Beauty of an external review is that if Pert is fine as some seem to be claimed, that'll be re-enforced in the reviews findings, if, as i and others suspect there is a need for change, that'll be shown in the review as well. 

It's much better to know where we stand and make the appropriate changes. 

[daisycutter 29,296]

51 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

I don't get it.

People are demanding an independent investigation and others are asking why board members and employees haven't left the building.

Shouldn't that depend on what an investigation uncovers or are people always guilty as charged on the say so of other relying on as yet unproven "facts"?

 

commonsense is an archaic word no longer in common use. 😎

[picket fence 16,637]

1 hour ago, Elwood 3184 said:

I don't get it.

People are demanding an independent investigation and others are asking why board members and employees haven't left the building.

Shouldn't that depend on what an investigation uncovers or are people always guilty as charged on the say so of other relying on as yet unproven "facts"?

 

My view is why delay the inevitable?? and if I am wrong I will admit it but I can't see it happening!

[bing181 8,898]

11 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I started this thread purely based on the fact the club has been in disarray over the past 12-18 months

You're confusing correlation with causation.

The only facts are that a few players have gone off the rails/had incidents. That's it. 

[Demons11 6,704]

54 minutes ago, bing181 said:

You're confusing correlation with causation.

The only facts are that a few players have gone off the rails/had incidents. That's it. 

If you think it’s only limited to a few than I’d say you’re delusional.  The fact players like Viney and Trac were looking to get out tells you that everything is not right .  I would say what we hear is less than 25% than what potentially is going on

[Biffen 12,805]

On 03/09/2024 at 17:47, Satyriconhome said:

Similar to yours then SWYL any opportunity to kick the club.

Always remember saying you don't have a membership, have you bought one yet?

In all fairness,SWYL was never sprung pinching cutlery at the B&F.

[Demonstone 21,745]

34 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

The fact players like Viney and Trac were looking to get out

You seriously believe that North's interest in Viney means it was a FACT that he was looking to get out?

I've got a nice big bridge in Sydney Harbour you may be interested in buying from me.

[Biffen 12,805]

5 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

You seriously believe that North's interest in Viney means it was a FACT that he was looking to get out?

I've got a nice big bridge in Sydney Harbour you may be interested in buying from me.

I'll buy it.Hey wait-they're going to pull it down aren't they?

Is this a trick?

[chookrat 4,201]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

If you think it’s only limited to a few than I’d say you’re delusional.  The fact players like Viney and Trac were looking to get out tells you that everything is not right .  I would say what we hear is less than 25% than what potentially is going on

Viney looking to get out??

[Demons11 6,704]

1 hour ago, chookrat said:

Viney looking to get out??

Are you actually trying to tell me that you think there aren’t issues at our club?

[Demonstone 21,745]

You were challenged on your risible assertion that it is a fact that Viney wanted out.

 

[Demons11 6,704]

Just now, Demonstone said:

You were challenged on your risible assertion that it is a fact that Viney wanted out.

 

Probably a poor choice of words as I bundled it with Trac who definitely wanted out.  

[layzie 32,744]

Do an external review.

I'm going to say this here everyday until it happens. If any players do read this as has been suggested, please pass this message on to the head brass. Ta