Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[layzie 34,528]

I take this as Pert being safe.

[Lucifers Hero 40,716]

8 minutes ago, layzie said:

I take this as Pert being safe.

Not necessarily.

A Board role is to consider, amend, sign-off key matters of every department.  The CEO is the primary conduit for those matters.  So how he performs and his interaction with the Board should be reviewed. 

Performance examples reported to the Board are membership, sponsorship, strategic plan, governance, financial results, player contracts, football department etc etc. 

I would be quite concerned if a Board performance review didn't cover the interaction with the CEO.

It doesn't mean Pert's position is in jeopardy but he doesn't get a free pass.

[John Demonic 5,988]

This thread...

 

Edited September 10, 2024 by John Demonic

[rpfc 29,027]

50 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

OK, I'll try to be a little more perceptive - "I want to make a comment about the CEO, could he please leave the room?"

Why is everything so personal? 

Everyone is trying to do a good job with their roles and responsibilities and a review would look at more than just the specific opinions of staff of other employees of the club…

Structure, roles and responsibilities, support, training, environmental factors, et al. 

These are the more valuable aspects of a review, not the opportunity to give people a chance to [censored] on others. While I would prefer a broader review, it is not a reason to require a broader review.

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

2 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Perhaps Brad did ask some tough questions about the Footy Department this year but was told by the CEO to stay away from that area - you're a Board member, not on the executive. But now he's the President....he has a bit more authority?

And re your first line let me just check how this works - a player from the senior leadership group enters a room and sits down with Mr Shand, Mr Green and Mr Pert and then declares that he has a problem with Mr Pert?

Your imagination is running wild!! considering what the last few weeks have thrown up I would suggest that, if there are problems, they will be bought up and debated, yes

Edited September 10, 2024 by Sir Why You Little

[drysdale demon 4,837]

On 09/09/2024 at 16:15, He de mon said:

FFS. Are you ever satisfied Peter?

I can tell you Hawk the Demon is not Peter Lawrence, just oe of his admirers.

[layzie 34,528]

9 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not necessarily.

A Board role is to consider, amend, sign-off key matters of every department.  The CEO is the primary conduit for those matters.  So how he performs and his interaction with the Board should be reviewed. 

Performance examples reported to the Board are membership, sponsorship, strategic plan, governance, financial results, player contracts, football department etc etc. 

I would be quite concerned if a Board performance review didn't cover the interaction with the CEO.

It doesn't mean Pert's position is in jeopardy but he doesn't get a free pass.

That's why I come here to read more informed opinions like yours Luci 🙂

 

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

Hopefully this review will finally put a line in the Shand!

 

 

 

 

[layzie 34,528]

8 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Hopefully this review will finally put a line in the Shand!

 

 

 

 

This guy!

 

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

On 27/08/2024 at 09:18, Fuchsias Forever said:

Pert's record speaks for itself...Culture at Dee's & Pie's when he is in charge hasn't exactly been fantastic!

Roffey got handed the best Chairpersons gig in footy we were flying and since she took over its slowly fallen apart.

Roffey has got great experience in Government department's and Universities which is probably why we are in this mess. The skill set has lead the way on all sorts of flag waving and feel good inclusiveness but no results where it maters whilst the joint falls apart.

The board and particularly Roffey are far to close to Goodwin he should never have received he extension last year pre finals and should surely go now the footy department needs a complete reset

For someone who is new on the block you seem to be calling for everyone's resignation except the boot studder.

And for all the players you say wanting to leave as well?

[Watson11 2,252]

With Daniel Shand, I would expect the review to be mostly focussed on culture which is what should happen.  

Daniel Shand would have learnt a lot about culture from Graham Henry, who is credited for building the All Black culture and for a period being the most successful team ever. Shand was there from 2004 with Henry.  

Henry is well known for stating "“Culture eats strategy for breakfast”. When he took over the All Blacks they had a win percentage of 75%, the best in the world, but a [censored] culture. They had failed in 4 consecutive world cups despite being favourites (A lesson for all demonlanders who defend our culture based on W-L records and not finals results).

This article delves into it a little bit https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/08/graham-henry-new-zealand-rugby-world-cup  Under Henry their motto became "You’re an All Black 24/7" and they were expected to behave off-field, sweep the change rooms, be selfless etc etc. But the player leadership were a key part of the change. Under his reign the win percentage went up to 86%.  The 2011 - 2015 percentage was 94% and they won the 2015 WC.

The 2011 world cup is an interesting read in the context of our 2022/2023 straight sets exits.  Everything that could go wrong went wrong for the All Blacks.  But they had planned for it and their 4th string fly-half (Stephen Donald) got them over the line in the final. Henry was criticised a lot for "gifting" players All Black Caps over the years (Stephen Donald as a 4th stringer had 22 caps by 2011). But it was all about planning for World Cup scenarios such as the What-ifs.  They knew exactly what to do if anyone got injured or in any unexpected scenario.

Ironically, after 2015 the All Blacks have been gradually sliding.  Their win rate over the last 4 years is down to 70%.  Their could be other factors, but it would not surprise me that if the culture that Henry built over 7 years was maintained for a while and then started to slide.  

I trust Shand will do a great job. 

 

[ignition. 1,478]

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but HOW and WHY is Gary Pert a part of conducting the review of the men's football program?

"This review is being conducted by President Brad Green, CEO Gary Pert and external consultant Darren Shand." - MFC website.

Gary Pert should very much be under review. He is at the top, he needs to be investigated, and should come into question regarding his polarizing statements around club culture. In his position he was primed to identify any early signs to ensure the right environment was set. It clearly spiraled out of control.

[DubDee 26,674]

2 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Hopefully this review will finally put a line in the Shand!

 

 

 

 

Shand down mate

[DubDee 26,674]

Pert 2 in 1

CEO and Reviewer

Although feedback is your hair ends up not being properly shampoo'd or conditioned.

[I'va Worn Smith 996]

Just listened to Malcolm Speed's take on our review/s on Whately this morning.

For those that don't know, Speed is an extremely well credentialled senior sports administrator, with a very long and comprehensive CV in this area, after previously practicing as a Barrister.

His insights are enlightening, calm and realistic.  Journos would do well to listen to this man who knows what he's talking about, rather than spewing their own editorial opinion.

You can listen here:

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP8079870429.mp3?key=be5acad3312a69988c017a2deec15a7d&request_event_id=a792b98b-c882-4c28-93e9-ec35d197f616&source=3&timetoken=1726028409_4E1C7760D0A139A5FA97C1816C5585D7

[pitmaster 3,592]

4 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Just listened to Malcolm Speed's take on our review/s on Whately this morning.

For those that don't know, Speed is an extremely well credentialled senior sports administrator, with a very long and comprehensive CV in this area, after previously practicing as a Barrister.

His insights are enlightening, calm and realistic.  Journos would do well to listen to this man who knows what he's talking about, rather than spewing their own editorial opinion.

You can listen here:

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP8079870429.mp3?key=be5acad3312a69988c017a2deec15a7d&request_event_id=a792b98b-c882-4c28-93e9-ec35d197f616&source=3&timetoken=1726028409_4E1C7760D0A139A5FA97C1816C5585D7

Very good interview. He is clearly well versed in the situation and hopefully Whateley actually listened to his guest because it would sure change his coverage of our club.

Most importantly Speed stresses that the reviews are not public material. They are meant to be confidential and not a media picnic.

[BoBo 2,956]

2 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

For someone who is new on the block you seem to be calling for everyone's resignation except the boot studder.

And for all the players you say wanting to leave as well?

I’d frankly like to see wholesale boot studder change.

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

27 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Just listened to Malcolm Speed's take on our review/s on Whately this morning.

For those that don't know, Speed is an extremely well credentialled senior sports administrator, with a very long and comprehensive CV in this area, after previously practicing as a Barrister.

His insights are enlightening, calm and realistic.  Journos would do well to listen to this man who knows what he's talking about, rather than spewing their own editorial opinion.

You can listen here:

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP8079870429.mp3?key=be5acad3312a69988c017a2deec15a7d&request_event_id=a792b98b-c882-4c28-93e9-ec35d197f616&source=3&timetoken=1726028409_4E1C7760D0A139A5FA97C1816C5585D7

Totally agree. Heard the whole segment live..

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

37 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Just listened to Malcolm Speed's take on our review/s on Whately this morning.

For those that don't know, Speed is an extremely well credentialled senior sports administrator, with a very long and comprehensive CV in this area, after previously practicing as a Barrister.

His insights are enlightening, calm and realistic.  Journos would do well to listen to this man who knows what he's talking about, rather than spewing their own editorial opinion.

You can listen here:

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP8079870429.mp3?key=be5acad3312a69988c017a2deec15a7d&request_event_id=a792b98b-c882-4c28-93e9-ec35d197f616&source=3&timetoken=1726028409_4E1C7760D0A139A5FA97C1816C5585D7

Great listen, thanks for sharing 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

In a very guarded way, Speed implied that the current CEO probably should not be on the review panel.

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

I hope Pert and Green were listening 

[Kent 2,920]

1 minute ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

In a very guarded way, Speed implied that the current CEO probably should not be on the review panel.

No cannot believe that really

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

He also acknowledged that Roffey made an interesting decision to go on Whately's show knowing the gap that existed between her and the Petracca's accompanied by the quote, "a president needs to be involved in a crisis..."

[Dee*ceiving 1,738]

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

No cannot believe that really

Agree. Though Speed also said Brendon Gale was involved at Richmond and it was successful. 

 

I love when Speed suggested Green should have (or still could) ask for "a month to get things sorted" and hopefully get the media off our backs for a bit. 

Edited September 11, 2024 by Dee*ceiving

[Sir Why You Little 37,457]

9 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

In a very guarded way, Speed implied that the current CEO probably should not be on the review panel.

It’s an interesting point. I can’t see a way that Pert is not involved, that doesn’t mean he can’t be questioned. 
there will also be 1x1 questions where Pert won’t always be present. 
At this stage regarding Pert, i am more interested in what comes up in the Litigation case, If there is damming evidence against him regarding Governance then he won’t survive, what i hope is that Brad Green is strong enough to get truthful answers at all levels.