When GWS and the Suns mangled the draft we were the prime losers

Tassis will do the same in a few years so we need to maximise our participation in the draft until then

How are we going to do this ? Cash out some chips while we still can !!

 

Use our 1st rounder in this draft for start. We need to add to our number of young potential elite players.

16 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Use our 1st rounder in this draft for start. We need to add to our number of young potential elite players.

It will be pick 10 by the time we win next week. May as well just give it and ANB to Port for Dan Houston.

Edited August 17, 20241 yr by John Demonic
plus rumoured Josh battle saints compo in 1st round

Viney and Petracca would net 3 or 4 first rounders I reckon 

4 hours ago, John Demonic said:

It will be pick 10 by the time we win next week. May as well just give it and ANB to Port for Dan Houston.

Dan Houston isn’t worth a top 10 pick. Let alone including ANB.

Maybe a future first for Houston, otherwise they’re looking at second rounders. (Rivers was 2nd round, I wouldn’t swap Rivers for Houston)

ANB + pick 7 to Adelaide for pick 4 would be my ideal.

Trac to GC for Miller and there first rounder, then throw 2 top 10bfirst rounders and the future first rounder at Reid (WC). Oh plus lots of dollars!!!!!

Edited August 17, 20241 yr by Ungarieboy

If we were confident that Clarry could recapture his best form, I wouldn’t be against entertaining Petracca to be traded. He and ANB and possibly Sparrow would get us some decent picks for this years draft. I’d love to bring on 2 young gun mids and another small forward/small defender 

I look at it as trading known quantities for unknown quantities

Brisbane have two academy players coming. One of them is likely the first pick in the draft, the other will be an early second rounder. They only have three picks in the 2024 draft, so they desperately need points.

We should go after their first pick, which right now would be 14. We have two third round picks and a fourth round pick.

We could then even look at trading that to get further up. Maybe Adelaide would take ANB + 14 for 4.

We've traded strongly in the past to get back into the first round, I back us to do it again.

 

18 minutes ago, seventyfour said:

We could then even look at trading that to get further up. Maybe Adelaide would take ANB + 14 for 4

 

Yeah that’s not gonna happen

Interesting thread quickly turned gross. But ploughing on;

Features of this draft;

Half a dozen legitimate gun midfielders at the pointy end.

A remarkable ten or so highly rated talls, mostly defenders, in the 10 to 30 range.

Noah Yze, the future star currently taking it easy to fox the other recruiters.

I've joked before about a nice simple 'Smillie and the Whitlocks' but even if the names change the estimated draft picks would still be ideal. That would mean nudging our first pick up a little, acquiring an additional pick mid first round, and shuffling another pick to the start of the second round. Eg, 6, 14, 25.

I'd happily move a future second round and package our existing 2nd/3rd rounds to make it happen.

None of this requires tossing away club champions, either.

Edited August 18, 20241 yr by Little Goffy

Have we got an AA ruckman we can trade to sydney for say, a third rounder?

13 hours ago, manny100 said:

Use our 1st rounder in this draft for start. We need to add to our number of young potential elite players.

Agreed. I feel we are akin to 2019, where we needed a few high pick draftees. I would be happy seeing us getting the best available talent or splitting our first pick for 2 1st rounders if that's achievable. Midfielders with pace would be ideal. 

We need high quality young talent. Don't screw around.

Having a look at the AFL ladder and I was surprised how easily we could slip to receiving P5.  All it takes is:

1. St Kilda defeats Carlton by say 20 points
2. We lose to Collingwood by say 25 points
3. Gold Coast defeats Richmond by 50 points

All of the above seem very possible and this would see GC and the Saints pass us leaving us 14th - crazy noting we would finish with 11 wins.

It goes the other way in that if we beat Collingwood and Essendon lose (playing Brisbane) then we finish 10th and get P9.

St Kilda may get band 1 compo for Battle leaving as well which would push our pick out to 10 at best.

I'm tempted to say all in for the tank...... but I just hate Collingwood too much.

On 18/08/2024 at 07:57, SPC said:

If we were confident that Clarry could recapture his best form, I wouldn’t be against entertaining Petracca to be traded. He and ANB and possibly Sparrow would get us some decent picks for this years draft. I’d love to bring on 2 young gun mids and another small forward/small defender 

I am sure we would all love to - the inexactitudes of drafting though has bitten every club at some stage.  Morton, $cullduggery, Maric, Strauss etc spring to mind

On 18/08/2024 at 09:41, Little Goffy said:

Interesting thread quickly turned gross. But ploughing on;

Features of this draft;

Half a dozen legitimate gun midfielders at the pointy end.

A remarkable ten or so highly rated talls, mostly defenders, in the 10 to 30 range.

Noah Yze, the future star currently taking it easy to fox the other recruiters.

I've joked before about a nice simple 'Smillie and the Whitlocks' but even if the names change the estimated draft picks would still be ideal. That would mean nudging our first pick up a little, acquiring an additional pick mid first round, and shuffling another pick to the start of the second round. Eg, 6, 14, 25.

I'd happily move a future second round and package our existing 2nd/3rd rounds to make it happen.

None of this requires tossing away club champions, either.

Half a dozen legitimate potentially gun midfielders at the pointy end.  There. Corrected.

But I do trust JT way more than any of our previous talent seekers (at least since Jim Cardwell) and out traders.

Edited August 22, 20241 yr by monoccular

Goodness, that Collingwood game was bracing. A fair few of our under 22s just aren't going to make it. 

I know you can't just pluck first round picks out of the sky, but if there's a way, we need to find it. 

Got to give Jason Taylor every chance to flex his professional muscles in November. 

Pick 6 in the bag.

Hoping Saints can get the job done against the Blues. 

Coming away with pick 5 (before NGA and father sons) would be a good result in a disappointing season.

On 19/08/2024 at 12:02, Deeko2 said:

Having a look at the AFL ladder and I was surprised how easily we could slip to receiving P5.  All it takes is:

1. St Kilda defeats Carlton by say 20 points
2. We lose to Collingwood by say 25 points
3. Gold Coast defeats Richmond by 50 points

All of the above seem very possible and this would see GC and the Saints pass us leaving us 14th - crazy noting we would finish with 11 wins.

It goes the other way in that if we beat Collingwood and Essendon lose (playing Brisbane) then we finish 10th and get P9.

St Kilda may get band 1 compo for Battle leaving as well which would push our pick out to 10 at best.

I'm tempted to say all in for the tank...... but I just hate Collingwood too much.

It's all coming together....

Let's go Saints!

Pick 5 or pick 6 doesn’t matter. Either is fine. We need to hold the pick and not trade.  Any of Lalor, Langford or Lindsay would be great additions.  

15 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pick 5 or pick 6 doesn’t matter. Either is fine. We need to hold the pick and not trade.  Any of Lalor, Langford or Lindsay would be great additions.  

Saints will get compensation for Josh Battle so it’s two picks , and if a player like O Sullivan or Draper slides saints will take them .

39 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pick 5 or pick 6 doesn’t matter. Either is fine. We need to hold the pick and not trade.  Any of Lalor, Langford or Lindsay would be great additions.  

Pick 5 gives us first choice. JT understands this with his attempts to get higher in most drafts. Heis a professional and has the scores on the board 

Im just glad West Coast never accepted our offer for Pick 1 last year.

i think we'll keep our top 5 / 6 pick, get the pick we wasted on mcadam back for anb (sob!), and use late picks to pick up two nga kids (riak andrew, ricky mentha) and one father-son (noah yze)

i think we can kiss our 2025 first round pick goodbye cos we won't want to hold it - not with a highly ranked nga (tairon ah-mu) and father-son (kalani white) coming thru in the 2025 draft

in the last game of the year we had the following unavailable for selection:

• may
• petracca
• windsor
• lever
• spargo
• brayshaw
• hunter
• oliver
• smith
• sparrow
• ben brown

four of those are likely to be off the list, and two more - at least - could go too

it's an open bid on trac, which is very sad, but if he doesn't see himself as part of our future, so be it; we'll get value for his departure

i'd be open to trading:

• petracca
• laurie
• bowey
• fritsch
• sparrow
• woewodin

i think three of those have value, both incoming and outgoing, and two are depth for us and would be the same for other teams too; there's no real incentive for anyone to target laurie, sparrow, or woewodin as they're fairly meat n potatoes, or just potatoes if yr being cruel

retired:

• brayshaw
• ben brown

i'd delist:

• hunter
• schache
• tomlinson (or he leaves as a free agent)
• smith
• kyah farris-white

that's seven players off the list + rookie list, and at least one - neal-bullen - certain to be traded for, probably, a second round pick (incredible value for him imo), so eight changes already

we've got pick 5/6, that 2nd rounder for nibbs, a bunch of middling 2nd / 3rd round picks that we already hold (about three in total) plus later selections

possible automatic ins as late picks / rookie listings:

• riak andrew
• ricky mentha
• noah yze

i really hope we target some midfielders who can move with a bit of pace and use the ball by foot; harvey langford would seem ideal reading the scouting reports for pick 5, but i'm not sure if he will last that long?

houston would be perfect, but that seems doa...

i'm disappointed we're not in the conversations for any of the gw$ or gc17 wantaway players like cumming, peatling, lukosious, although apparently we were keen on angwin...that seems to have gone quiet

going to be a busy off-season that's for sure