42 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Hasn't that worked out well for them. They've been the envy of the AFL for so long 

Funny show Schitt’s Creek.

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Lucky for us footy clubs are not in the business of screwing each other.

What comes around goes around. We traded more than fairly for McAdams, and Adelaide will not want to short change us on Nibbler.

In this business, you get a lot more done being fair than you do stomping your feet like a petulant child. Just ask Dodoro. 

kornes would definitely encourage some tantrums being thrown and picks refused

...which is why he'd struggle to maintain working relationships in an ongoing work situation

On 02/09/2024 at 22:31, DeeSpencer said:

Personally I think it’s great we honoured Nibbler although I do wish the messaging was a little firmer on the trade - if it needs to be.

But I will recognise we don’t know how much work has been done on a trade already and I suspect most of trade week is theatre. And ultimately he’s contracted to us so we do have the final leverage if Adelaide got really stupid. He can FIFO for games!

That said, getting lessons in the art of the deal from Hutchy who bought and sold a bunch of New Zealand radio stations at a massive loss, yeah nah.

I bet you could find Hutchy praising teams for ‘mature’ list management decisions in other years.

Agree. I suspect an in principle agreement was made before the announcement. Saying SA initially, vs just Crows was setting out some burley to see if PA might chip in with an offer, perhaps tied to Houston. 

Once PA didn't have a decent sniff ANB declared the Crows. Class act ANB and well managed by the Dees, honoured a favorite son and avoided unecessary drama (pleasingly)

Edited September 6, 2024Sep 6 by Dee*ceiving

On 02/09/2024 at 22:31, DeeSpencer said:

Personally I think it’s great we honoured Nibbler although I do wish the messaging was a little firmer on the trade - if it needs to be.

But I will recognise we don’t know how much work has been done on a trade already and I suspect most of trade week is theatre. And ultimately he’s contracted to us so we do have the final leverage if Adelaide got really stupid. He can FIFO for games!

That said, getting lessons in the art of the deal from Hutchy who bought and sold a bunch of New Zealand radio stations at a massive loss, yeah nah.

I bet you could find Hutchy praising teams for ‘mature’ list management decisions in other years.

in fairness to hutchy he bought the wildcats for $8m and then sold them for $40m three years later

he definitely knows how to spend other people's money

Edited September 7, 2024Sep 7 by whatwhat say what

8 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

in fairness to hutchy he bought the wildcats for $8m and then sold them for $40m three years later

he definitely knows how to spend other people's money

That deal saved his bacon and I reckon he was lucky there was a crazy millionaire in Perth who decided he had to have them. 

Although basketball was a smart growth market to identify and he could use SEN to cross promote. 

21 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

That deal saved his bacon and I reckon he was lucky there was a crazy millionaire in Perth who decided he had to have them. 

Although basketball was a smart growth market to identify and he could use SEN to cross promote. 

the words yr after are 'correctly read the market and made a motza as a result'

On 03/09/2024 at 14:14, Jaded No More said:

Exactly right

I suggest we try and bundle this pick, as well as the other second rounder we have which is tied to Sydney (from the Grundy trade), and try to move down the draft order. There are a number of clubs who need points for bidding.

Move up the order to what end? I think we’d be pretty happy with 5 unless we clearly think there is a Harley Reid type that is clearly better than others & I don’t think that’s the case (Lalor?). In such a deep draft I’d think 25 is a good pick to have. Unless you’re meaning 25, 38 & 45 for Brisbane or Essendon’s first?

10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Move up the order to what end? I think we’d be pretty happy with 5 unless we clearly think there is a Harley Reid type that is clearly better than others & I don’t think that’s the case (Lalor?). In such a deep draft I’d think 25 is a good pick to have. Unless you’re meaning 25, 38 & 45 for Brisbane or Essendon’s first?

I mean bundle our second and third round picks to get back into the first round, or get better second round picks. 

So for example can we bundle our third round pick, plus the 2nd rounder that's tied to Sydney and get a better second round pick in return?

I don't think we can do much with pick 5. We will take it to the draft.

On 28/08/2024 at 21:59, spirit of norm smith said:

Crows get ANB and MFC pick 51 

Dees get Crows pick 25 and 42 

that’s fair.  

Awesome call Norm. 👍

If what the draft gurus are telling us is true there will still be a handy player available at pick 42 or a bundle up picks option.

This will make up for the overs we gave up for McAdam. 

In return they recieve a finals proven, reliable multifunctional player that they will get good footy out of for 3 to 4 years.

Edited September 9, 2024Sep 9 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

We're getting Ollie Wines.

It's been cooking for 12 months.

4 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

We're getting Ollie Wines.

It's been cooking for 12 months.

Or fermenting, like any good wine? 😋

1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Awesome call Norm. 👍

If what the draft gurus are telling us is true there will still be a handy player available at pick 42 or a bundle up picks option.

This will make up for the overs we gave up for McAdam. 

In return they recieve a finals proven, reliable multifunctional player that they will get good footy out of for 3 to 4 years.

So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. 

13 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. 

I guess it was supposed to be closer to pick 35 than 25. It was still pick 30 with about five weeks to go in the season.

Even so, ANB is criminally underrated and our trade compensation will be criminally below his real worth, and it is looking very much like we got barrelled in the McAdam trade.

It is quite possible we were so exhausted from calculating the permutations of multiple other possible trades which never eventuated that we just didn't quite sustain the concentration and were too focused on just getting something, anything, done.

Best value I can see out of Nibbler trade would be as part of a traditional Demon wild shenanigan package which comes together for an additional pick in the first round - Brisbane's 14 is the obvious target given it would be burned by the Ashcroft price anyway.

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. 

Pick 42 also, just trying to keep it realistic. 

Do you think we're a chance for a 1st rounder or future 1st?

 

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. 

McAdam was a 3rd rounder at best, we got hoodwinked big time.

We need to get more than pick 25 back this year for this supposed crop of talent on offer.

Thought @spirit of norm smith suggestion of pick 25 and 42 for ANB would represent good business.

On 06/09/2024 at 11:22, rpfc said:

If this was reversed I would say ‘bad luck with that, we will get you a pick in the late thirties.’

But that is just me

I’d say we have demonstrated an open “thanks for the memories and we wish you well” approach due to the outcome to get back our old pick being agreed some time ago, probably before anyone here was aware of ANB’s desire to head home to SA. 
For the Crom to then reneg on the deal would cause significant future distrust and poor faith (not just with us) and for little benefit.

Agree Mach5. An in principle agreement was reached weeks back. ANB did us a favour declaring SA in the event PA might have a sniff and drive the price up attached, potential win for club and player. 

PA didn't enter the race, declared Adelaide and move on. We've no doubt got othe rmatters to deal with and that pick 25 (or whatever package we've negotiated) might unlock currency for other winning moves. 

 

25 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

maintain it's a complete bargain for the crom

essentially anb for mcadam

i know who i'd rather have; i know who plays afl regularly and who is mired in the magoos

Pick 25 is reasonable for ANB and gets us a good piece for this draft.

What's done is done with McAdam.

You have to treat the McAdam and Neale-Bullen deals separately.  They're not related, even though I understand the parallels.

For me, pick 25 for Neale-Bullen is an excellent outcome.  I reckon he's worth a late 30s pick.  But, ultimately, he's worth what someone will pay.

I accept his leadership qualities are valuable, but I don't overly rate the footballer.  A decent role player, but they're a dime a dozen.  Too much of a fumbler with many limitations.

In a deep draft this is a very good pick.

10 minutes ago, Gator said:

You have to treat the McAdam and Neale-Bullen deals separately.  They're not related, even though I understand the parallels.

For me, pick 25 for Neale-Bullen is an excellent outcome.  I reckon he's worth a late 30s pick.  But, ultimately, he's worth what someone will pay.

I accept his leadership qualities are valuable, but I don't overly rate the footballer.  A decent role player, but they're a dime a dozen.  Too much of a fumbler with many limitations.

In a deep draft this is a very good pick.

Shrewd analysis

These deals can often be spruiked as the first deal to be done, but then drag on a day or 2, as one side (Crom in this case) hold to see if they need the pick 25 in another deal where they could maybe get pick 30 back & force us to accept it.

While I’m hopeful, I’d be wary of counting our chickens.

9 hours ago, Mach5 said:

These deals can often be spruiked as the first deal to be done, but then drag on a day or 2, as one side (Crom in this case) hold to see if they need the pick 25 in another deal where they could maybe get pick 30 back & force us to accept it.

While I’m hopeful, I’d be wary of counting our chickens.

Agree. Dees need to hold firm on at least pick 25. Nothing less !!! 

5 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Dees need to hold firm on at least pick 25. Nothing less !!! 

Yeah, the reason clubs in the Crom position do this is because we essentially have no choice in the matter.