Christian Petracca

[Ted Lasso 19,189]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Even with his injury, even the hospital missed the spleen issue for hours, it's a horrible thing that's happened to him and i am glad he's getting help to deal with the associated Trauma, but using that as an excuse to try and seek a trade, but only to these couple of clubs is not going to make you very many friends. 

If you're wanting to go to Carlton for professionalism and culture and winning flags, you might find very quickly the grass isn't always greener, the Blues haven't won a premiership, or even gotten close in nearly 30 years. 

[dice 692]

21 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I think Tracc's new manager might have it's fingerprints all over these developments.

Planted the seed in Tracc's head that he can make more $$$ at another club plus bigger endorsement deals.

No such issues when he was under the tutelage of Paul Connors, I think Paul Connors was actually advising him not to go down this road.

Doesn't Trac's agent/manager (Robbie D'Orazio) work with Connors? Wonder if all of this drama will be in the next installment of Show Me the Money

[binman 42,467]

50 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

If the rumours of his salary are correct we are in a world of hurt even if he goes. No club will take on that sort of contract without us paying some of it.

Problem is I reckon we'll be in more trouble if he stays after all the damage he's done and disharmony caused throughout the playing group, club and supporters.

Are you serious?

In what world would the MFC be paying a single cent of tracc's contract if he leaves?

In fact, if anything the dees might even be prepared to take unders in terms of what another club offers us to get his exorbitant salary of the books.

The reality is that even if tracc changes his tune and wants to stay:

- he turns 29 in January

- won't be able to put a full preseason together (he hasn't been able to do any running yet, or presumably strength work, so his fitness base must be completey eroded), which will impact his 2025 season 

- has said himself he is struggling with the trauma relating to the injury

- if I was a betting man, I would offer no better than even money (ie 50 50) that tracc will ever get back to his best

- seemingly has burned bridges with his teammates (and possibly coach, and almost certainly the footy dept and board).

In short, even leaving aside the impact of him staying when he wants out, there is a very good chance we would not get value from our investment

In that context, it might be prudent  for the dees to take unders. 

We will then have plenty of cash, particularly with gus' salary iff rhe books, to invest in our young guns and money to attract stars from other clubs.

However the media spin this, the MFC has the whip hand here. 

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HARLEY REID HARLEY REID HARLEY REID DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO BUT GO AND GET HARLEY REID!!!!

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12 minutes ago, RedBlueandTrue said:

Agree, if carlton were to take on his whole contract, I wouldn't be surprised if their first round was all that was offered. Someone like Cerra could be involved, but only by necessity to clear cap space. 2 first rounders+ is dreamworld with his age and uncertainty around his response to the injury. If we paid a significant chunk of salary then trade options would open up a bit.

You're kidding yourself if you think getting rid of Cerra clears enough space for Carlton to take on his contract.

The reality is that very few top clubs have a spare $1.2 million lying around in the hope that one day Trac will have a breakdown and want out.

Trades, even for middle tier players, are often planned out week, months, sometimes years in advance. You think Freo only talked to Jackson in October? You think the WA clubs have not been made aware that Shai Bolton wants out months if not 12 months ago? Hell we've been talking about Houston for a couple of months.

Clubs would have been totally blind sighted by this, and clearly so has Trac's actual management team. 
To find a suitable trade to a club like Carlton or the Pies, or not only have the draft capital, but also don't have the cap space, is highly unlikely. Both these clubs would have to move a significant number of players, or a big name player, to even fit Trac in their TPP. It's a total pipe dream, unless one of those clubs is willing to burn their own contracted players.

[640MD 3,337]

Beware. We might be swapping one prima Donna a for another.   Be careful for what you wish for 

 

the one u got  sometimes better of keeping’s 

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The article in The Age today says no one has the space or capital to make a trade happen. It also states he’s not interested in going to Essendon or St Kilda.

So he’s not going anywhere, and this has all been for nothing - except massive damage to both brands?

What a debacle.

[adonski 11,606]

Bloos will part ways with any of Wiliams, Martin, Cerra if they need to

[Jaded No More 68,835]

Just now, 640MD said:

Beware. We might be swapping one prima Donna a for another.   Be careful for what you wish for 

 

the one u got  sometimes better of keeping’s 

Who would the other prima donna be? 

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Just now, adonski said:

Bloos will part ways with any of Wiliams, Martin, Cerra if they need to

All average players  

[adonski 11,606]

Just now, Demons11 said:

All average players  

I was alluding to trading them to get their dollars off the books, not to us

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Just now, adonski said:

Bloos will part ways with any of Wiliams, Martin, Cerra if they need to

Firstly they can't part ways with contracted players, unless said contracted player agrees.

Secondly, those 3 players still don't net them the picks we want in return for Trac.

Let's also not forget that Carlton are preparing for finals. They are not going to bring this up with any of their players. If they get done in week 1, perhaps they will start conversations, but what happens if they make say a prelim? They will run out of time to make those deals.

[OhMyDees 1,834]

Trac is a great player but how many players in their mid 20s with horrific injuries ever get back to their pre-injury form or better? I’d suggest not many if at all.

Jack Grimes and Jack Trengrove spring to mind…they were never the same after their major injuries.

I’m not sure why any club would take that risk to be honest?

 

Edited August 27 by OhMyDees

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3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You're kidding yourself if you think getting rid of Cerra clears enough space for Carlton to take on his contract.

The reality is that very few top clubs have a spare $1.2 million lying around in the hope that one day Trac will have a breakdown and want out.

Trades, even for middle tier players, are often planned out week, months, sometimes years in advance. You think Freo only talked to Jackson in October? You think the WA clubs have not been made aware that Shai Bolton wants out months if not 12 months ago? Hell we've been talking about Houston for a couple of months.

Clubs would have been totally blind sighted by this, and clearly so has Trac's actual management team. 
To find a suitable trade to a club like Carlton or the Pies, or not only have the draft capital, but also don't have the cap space, is highly unlikely. Both these clubs would have to move a significant number of players, or a big name player, to even fit Trac in their TPP. It's a total pipe dream, unless one of those clubs is willing to burn their own contracted players.

Yeah, no I agree with you - my point is that Trac's actual trade value is very small compared to what might be expected for these reasons. Cerra just an example from the post I quoted.

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1 hour ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

If the rumours of his salary are correct we are in a world of hurt even if he goes. No club will take on that sort of contract without us paying some of it.

Problem is I reckon we'll be in more trouble if he stays after all the damage he's done and disharmony caused throughout the playing group, club and supporters.

I don't think that's right.  Surely there's no way we pay any of his salary.  We can just say no.

If he found a suitor that can satisfy us with picks and trades, he can renegotiate the contract with the new club (I'm sure they'll be happy to pay less).  If the new club want to pay less (probably because that's all they could afford) and he wants to get the same amount, we just say no.  

It's the opposite situation of Grundy because the pies wanted Grundy out so had to pay a significant portion of his contract.

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3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Firstly they can't part ways with contracted players, unless said contracted player agrees.

Secondly, those 3 players still don't net them the picks we want in return for Trac.

Let's also not forget that Carlton are preparing for finals. They are not going to bring this up with any of their players. If they get done in week 1, perhaps they will start conversations, but what happens if they make say a prelim? They will run out of time to make those deals.

As I said they can trade Cerra, Williams and or Martin to free up space

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Just now, RedBlueandTrue said:

Yeah, no I agree with you - my point is that Trac's actual trade value is very small compared to what might be expected for these reasons. Cerra just an example from the post I quoted.

Trac's trade value would be very high for a team on the cusp who needs a star midfielder to get them over the line. The Pies would benefit enormously from Trac given how old and injury prone most of their best midfielders are.

But Trac's biggest issue is his timing. You can't expect someone with his contract and his talent to ask for a trade this late in the season, demand to only go to 1 of 2 clubs, who are both filled to the brim with salary cap guzzlers, and then make it happen. 

If he was open to going to North, Saints or even Richmond (who I don't think would want him anyway as they're rebuilding), it would be a totally different story. But he is not. So bad luck.

[640MD 3,337]

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

So traumatized to fly to Europe for several weeks.

Please. Very serious question 

I am also off to Italy for 3 months.

what is the considered view on what should I say to him, if anything at all. 
I will probably be wearing red n blue and a freeze 10 beanie.

Gday tracca, enjoy your day ?

or come on the pies ?

help

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10 minutes ago, dice said:

Doesn't Trac's agent/manager (Robbie D'Orazio) work with Connors? Wonder if all of this drama will be in the next installment of Show Me the Money

Isn't there being two sets of management the issue? Robbie D'Orazio said forget when asked if a trade could be possible, but we are. So it has to be the brand management driving this, and they would not be as well versed how the AFL works. Trashing the club might work in other realms, but the AFL is a small (in terms of employees and employers) industry and 'nuclear' options are not encouraged.

 

[640MD 3,337]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Who would the other prima donna be? 

Harley of course 

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1 minute ago, adonski said:

As I said they can trade Cerra, Williams and or Martin to free up space

And as I said, trading out those 3 players, who are all contracted btw and may not want to leave or find a suitable home, is still not netting them the draft picks we would demand in return for Trac.

We are not trading him for a bunch of second round picks are we? 

Carlton would need to:

- Be out of finals contention

- Go to those 3 players and convince them to be traded

- Find a suitable trade for those 3 players - how often does a club get 3 trades done for contracted players in the same trade period?

- On trade or bundle up the picks they get from those picks to get 2 or more top 10 picks 

- Do all this in the space of a month

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40 minutes ago, Jerry Lundergard said:

Feels to me like the Peteacca camp is using his injury as leverage to force his way out to a big club.

If he has a grievance with the club, then he technically can leave to go to any club, not make a demand to go to a select few.

Even the complete silence into the Howie Podcast seems like it's been orchestrated to an extent to now garner more sympathy for his plight to leave. 

 

This is what I was trying to say on the weekend but some were still in Disneyland. 

If the problem is with our club and he wants to leave then problem solved, we'll find some suitors and you can pack your bags. 

 

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@dazzledavey36  thanks. Leigh Matthews makes good sense.  But we don’t know all the issues and like ourselves, it’s a view from the outside.

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24 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

Even with his injury, even the hospital missed the spleen issue for hours, it's a horrible thing that's happened to him and i am glad he's getting help to deal with the associated Trauma, but using that as an excuse to try and seek a trade, but only to these couple of clubs is not going to make you very many friends. 

If you're wanting to go to Carlton for professionalism and culture and winning flags, you might find very quickly the grass isn't always greener, the Blues haven't won a premiership, or even gotten close in nearly 30 years. 

Nailed it Teddy!!!! Wants to go to the bottle throwers or play alongside Maynard and Moore FFS. Side by side hey. 

 

36 minutes ago, RedBlueandTrue said:

He broke a toe doing that, not his knee. Also he was a child when that happened lol, not sure on the relevance

Still acting like a child if you ask me. A petulant one at that. Wish him well in his health and mental health but he’s not endearing himself to many. Buyer beware!!!

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5 minutes ago, 640MD said:

Please. Very serious question 

I am also off to Italy for 3 months.

what is the considered view on what should I say to him, if anything at all. 
I will probably be wearing red n blue and a freeze 10 beanie.

Gday tracca, enjoy your day ?

or come on the pies ?

help

Please ex-spleen?

I will see myself out