Just now, FreedFromDesire said:

I don't agree with any kinda of personal attack, so I didn't like you were called that either.

Yet you still can't pinpoint how a video explaining agenda setting function theory is a personal attack on you....

23 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Do you have any evidence Tracc fed the story to Morris.  The only public statement Morris made about sources was that the “Brand Petracca” source was fed to him by people at Melbourne and not Tracc.

I'm assuming it was, but no I have no evidence tracc (directly, or more likely via a surrogate) fed the story to Morris.

Supposition on my part.

1 minute ago, binman said:

I'm assuming it was, but no I have no evidence tracc (directly, or more likely via a surrogate) fed the story to Morris.

Supposition on my part.

So you are still convinced Tracc or a surrogate leaked the story.  I'm convinced it came from Morris's source inside Melbourne, the same source that fed him the "Brand Petracca" stuff.  My view is it's likely Tracc confidentially spoke to people inside Melbourne about his frustrations saying he would leave if not contracted, and this was leaked to Morris by his source inside Melbourne.  In those circumstances the situation would definitely blow up like it did.

But we will probably never know until Tracc writes a book after his career is over.

1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Here, let me help you out.  I'm sure my VCE Media students could explain it to you. 

 

Great call, the agenda was set a long time ago to absolute nail the dees at every oppurtunity. Now they can easily spin any story into a hit piece. 

Morris may report facts, but what is selected, omitted and when things are timed are apart of the media sphere hunting us. 

5 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Great call, the agenda was set a long time ago to absolute nail the dees at every oppurtunity. Now they can easily spin any story into a hit piece. 

Morris may report facts, but what is selected, omitted and when things are timed are apart of the media sphere hunting us. 

Exactly the point I'm making, I'm glad someone gets what I'm trying to say.

34 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Look, I'm not very interested in an ongoing battle on the internet, but I think we both know with what tone your "I'm sure my VCE Media students could explain it to you" was intended.

I'll leave it at that as we're starting to go around in circles now.

And I stand by that, I'm sure they could.  They have a good grasp of the communication theories.

36 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

He didn't omit the reasonings at all though. He clearly stated he was missing it to attend the Red Bull camp and the club was fully supportive.

And you don't think the intent he was making was painted in a negative light?  If you don't then that's pretty naive of you.

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

Glass half full - Christian is going to be working his butt of this pre-season to return to full fitness.

Glass half empty - he’s doing it to seduce his 2026 team which won’t be us

Glass half full - i don't really know what is going on

Glass half empty - i don't really know what is going on

From the Shun (no; it's in my local coffee shop)

 

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

if noble was a non-event then there's no way that he'd be getting a 4-5 year deal at gc17 and the filth would be demanding pick 12 for him as an opening gambit

speedy half-backs who can hit targets = the new inside bulls; every team wants two of em

Non event in the terms of the conversation being had. I really like Noble as a player. I think Gold Coast are getting a good one.

My argument was based on Binman using it as an example for his opinion. I questioned it and he kindly repsonded to clarified his thoughts. Which I want to point out how much I appreciated. I enjoy discussing opinions in a reasonable manner. I often post things that people don't agree with. My first reaction is usually to get annoyed that my message hasn't been received as intended. Most of the time I can't be bothered replying to clarify as it often just turns into a [censored] fight depending on the poster.

Noble is a solid player. He isn't the pies best player or on a huge salary like Petracca is which is what context I was comparing it to when saying 'non event'

27 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

From the Shun (no; it's in my local coffee shop)

 

Conversation in the sports editors office at the Hun:

"Hmmm, how else can we get leverage out of this?"

"I know!  Why don't we ask the opinion of a past captain of a rival club who has never had anything to do with Petracca or Melbourne Football Club, and could really have no possible idea of what's going on there?"

"Brilliant idea!"

Edited September 20, 2024Sep 20 by Katrina Dee Fan

13 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Conversation in the sports editors office at the Hun:

"Hmmm, how else can we get leverage out of this?"

"I know!  Why don't we ask the opinion of a past captain of a rival club who has never had anything to do with Petracca or Melbourne Football Club, and could really have no possible idea of what's going on there?"

"Brilliant idea!"

There seem to be a number of regular posters which are frustrated by the current state of mainstream AFL media.

I made a decision to limit how much time I read or listen to it at the end of last year and it has made me appreciate football much more this year.

I avoid anything with Kane Cornes, Damian Barrett or Sam McClure. It's damn hard to avoid as whatever these guys drone on about ends up feeding the wider AFL supporter base and the conversations being had amongst fans.

There is a growing number of podcasts and alternative media which is starting to emerge though as there are plenty of others out there seeking something other than 4 white guys talking about how great the winning teams are and how bad the losing teams are each week.

Who cares if he's not there, prefer him to advance his fitness and recovery than attend a B& F for optics only the more he stays out of the limelight the better after the drama that the club went through.

1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

So you are still convinced Tracc or a surrogate leaked the story.  I'm convinced it came from Morris's source inside Melbourne, the same source that fed him the "Brand Petracca" stuff.  My view is it's likely Tracc confidentially spoke to people inside Melbourne about his frustrations saying he would leave if not contracted, and this was leaked to Morris by his source inside Melbourne.  In those circumstances the situation would definitely blow up like it did.

But we will probably never know until Tracc writes a book after his career is over.

Yep, 100% convinced.

But whether it came from tracc, or from another MFC employee my point remains the same - whilst that narrative may have some veracity, in sorting the wheat from the chaff,  people would do well to also consider the agreed facts, such as those that i noted, rather than just swallowing the Morris narrative whole.

2 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Yet you still can't pinpoint how a video explaining agenda setting function theory is a personal attack on you....

I agree Katrina the Press have an Agenda against MFC, they have been hammering away at us all year, it’s like an inside ploy to spin a negative slur or attack on any bit of news that can detract from our club and blow it out of all proportion. To be honest the Clubs response of not commenting has worked to our detriment. There are several clubs out there very happy seeing us take the heat away from them, or is that part of the ploy. The word Culture appears to Trigger a lot of people in the Press in a negative manner.

On 19/09/2024 at 08:56, FreedFromDesire said:

Fantastic news that his recovery is tracking so well and he will be able enough to attend the training camp to give his fitness a much needed turbo charge. I hope more of our players are doing such camps, or other similar things, as fitness was a massive issue for us this year and we would be wasting the extra time we've been given by missing finals otherwise.

Would also seem not beyond the realms to think it's probably a good thing he misses in the Bluey in terms of his mental recovery. I'm sure it would be stressful knowing he would be copping hours and hours of reliving the experience and being given a hard time by nosy supporters. The sentiment in this thread tells a story there in what he could expect.

The claims that he's putting himself before the club are frankly bizarre. He's not going on a holiday. He's going to work hard on his fitness so he can get back to being the best player he can be for the Melbourne Football Club.

I say all this as someone who, while seeing both sides, has been disappointed for the most part in how Christian and his camp have handled this whole fiasco.

Well summed up FF D.

Cant help feeling that there is some sentiment from his close family that are still blaming the Club for most of the unusual event's which were outside our Control. 

People  like Caroline Wilson are still trying to milk th last drop out of this saga. The AFLPA seems to be quiet as they no doubt will dig deep to embarrass the AFL or us. 

grest to see Trac who spoke well and outwardly seems to be moving on. Of course he wouldn’t be human if he still had thoughts and even mare or two after such a horrendous chain of events. 

Enjoy your Camp CP5 and get as fit as you can to lead our assault next season for our 14 th Flag. 

2 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

Great call, the agenda was set a long time ago to absolute nail the dees at every oppurtunity. Now they can easily spin any story into a hit piece. 

Morris may report facts, but what is selected, omitted and when things are timed are apart of the media sphere hunting us. 

What is with people who think the media just attacks us? 

Edited September 20, 2024Sep 20 by Roost it far

A few glasses of cement need to be had by our club, players and by the sounds of it, supporters too! If you don't like the media rubbish, don't read it, and certainly don't take it to heart!

1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Conversation in the sports editors office at the Hun:

"Hmmm, how else can we get leverage out of this?"

"I know!  Why don't we ask the opinion of a past captain of a rival club who has never had anything to do with Petracca or Melbourne Football Club, and could really have no possible idea of what's going on there?"

"Brilliant idea!"

You've caused me to re-read the article, Katrina, thank you.

When I posted it, I'd thought it supportive of Club and player. But I do now see its opportunism and possible/probable misrepresentation, particularly in the action and motive ascribed to the Club. (I don't have any problem as such, though, with using Davis or his actual(?) words.)

I regret my post.

1 minute ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

You've caused me to re-read the article, Katrina, thank you.

When I posted it, I'd thought it supportive of Club and player. But I do now see its opportunism and possible/probable misrepresentation, particularly in the action and motive ascribed to the Club. (I don't have any problem as such, though, with using Davis or his actual(?) words.)

I regret my post.

No need to regret your post, it just fuels my utter contempt for the media :)

 

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

At last some common sense.

 

 

2 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

From the Shun (no; it's in my local coffee shop)

 

Phil Davis is a very thoughtful commentator. He said this on his weekly spot on Whately.

FWIW I agree with his position.

In addition I think there's no guarantee that Petracca will be playing for MFC is 2025. There's water to flow under that bridge IMO.

1 hour ago, binman said:

Yep, 100% convinced.

But whether it came from tracc, or from another MFC employee my point remains the same - whilst that narrative may have some veracity, in sorting the wheat from the chaff,  people would do well to also consider the agreed facts, such as those that i noted, rather than just swallowing the Morris narrative whole.

None of your logic around this makes any sense at all. What are the agreed facts.  I think what you have decided is a fact and what is actually a fact are two very different things.

The point is absolutely not the same irrespective of what source the story came from.  According to Morris and Barrett we have leakers inside the club.  That is confirmed as they named sources inside Melbourne as the origin of some of the stories about Tracc.  Have you considered that when sources inside Melbourne leak confidential information (Traccs brand stuff, ANB leaving etc), these sources are actually dishonest and unethical individuals, and therefore you cannot trust what they say.  Morris may be printing what they say, but fundamentally he is printing stuff leaked from dishonest people.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

What is with people who think the media just attacks us? 

Never implied they did, I just don't give a stuff about any other club than ours. 

Edited September 20, 2024Sep 20 by MrFreeze