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4 hours ago, hardtack said:

Maybe I missed it, but why has no one mentioned the fact that he had both Pickett and Melksham benched for the last few minutes of the game, when any score would have seen us win the game (not that that would have excused the last quarter capitulation)? That was one of the worst examples of coaching I can recall for a long time.

It wasn’t by choice. There wasn’t an opportunity to bring them on as the game play was on the other side of the ground.

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

So i wonder what was said in the meeting last night.

46 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

It starts with the coach to get the best out of the players. If the whole teams form has dipped that is on on Goody first.

7 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

It starts with the coach to get the best out of the players. If the whole teams form has dipped that is on on Goody first.

1 Million % correct!

@Dannyz @goodwindees any intel from the board meeting last night?

Gee a shame it's not goodys night to appear on 360 this week.

6 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Gee a shame it's not goodys night to appear on 360 this week.

Reckon we could guess word for word what would be said.

Some tidbits here: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/all-our-talk-is-there-and-then-we-don-t-do-it-gawn-delivers-damning-assessment-of-demons-20250728-p5mibh.html

“Melbourne’s board has resolved to make whatever changes are necessary to return the club to the top of the ladder after the Demons’ stunning capitulation to St Kilda on Sunday...

Football manager Alan Richardson did not attend Monday’s board meeting as he attended the club’s ultimately unsuccessful appeal against the three-game suspension handed to defender Steven May last week.

The Demons have been expected to make significant changes to their football department at the end of this season. Goodwin is contracted for next season...

As well as Goodwin, the board also heard from Darren Shand, the ex-All Blacks general manager who reviewed at Melbourne at the end of last year and has been consulting the club on culture and leadership since then.“

1 hour ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

It's not binary and you can't have one, without the other.

I agree there are huge issues at the Club; from the current football department, to the playing list and right down to the lack of a training base. But Goodwin is inherently part of that problem - and a massive one at that.

32 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Some tidbits here: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/all-our-talk-is-there-and-then-we-don-t-do-it-gawn-delivers-damning-assessment-of-demons-20250728-p5mibh.html

“Melbourne’s board has resolved to make whatever changes are necessary to return the club to the top of the ladder after the Demons’ stunning capitulation to St Kilda on Sunday...

Football manager Alan Richardson did not attend Monday’s board meeting as he attended the club’s ultimately unsuccessful appeal against the three-game suspension handed to defender Steven May last week.

The Demons have been expected to make significant changes to their football department at the end of this season. Goodwin is contracted for next season...

As well as Goodwin, the board also heard from Darren Shand, the ex-All Blacks general manager who reviewed at Melbourne at the end of last year and has been consulting the club on culture and leadership since then.“

CAN THE MEMBERS SEE THE SHAND REPORT? Obviously didn't highlight the deficiency of the whole club

Maybe we need another review

That whole Shand review was obviously a sham.

I wonder what 'Learnings' were had by the Board last night ? 🤔

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

The Demons have been expected to make significant changes to their football department at the end of this season. Goodwin is contracted for next season...

Most likely they'll be big changes to the football department and probably assistant coaches with Goodwin surviving.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by lorn

11 hours ago, SPC said:

Goodwin has backed himself into a corner as he has never made tough selection calls. He plays his favourite players, so players are allowed to be poor with no repercussions. Players are performing well below their best and they are a big part of the problem, but this problem was created by Goodwin.

He is the disease that has spread. No fringe player is willing to push their case for selection as they are overlooked, senior players feel untouchable and have a severe case of arrogance. All coach enabled, harnessed and overlooked.

This is def a contributing factor in us going from a flag to a bottom 4 club in under four years.

Great post SPC.

It's been said so many times by so many, particularly in the last three seasons (inc. this one).

Almost zero accountability and selection integrity is almost non-existent under SG.

That is partially on the SC but bottom line the coach has the final say.

Ultimately the problem goes all the way to the top and he has shown no signs of changing his ways with plenty of opportunity to do so.

The selection of Spargo & Petty ahead of AJ and *multiple alternatives to Spargo this week was the ultimate proof and the final nail for me.

He owns the flag with all the kudos that comes with it ... and deservedly so. But so must he own the subsequent debacle we are now witnessing.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Demon Dynasty

2 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

But the mindset of the players is exactly what the head coach is responsible for? Like their number 1 priority is ensuring the mentality of the players is right going into games?

If a groups of players mindset isn’t right, then I don’t see how it doesn’t fall on the coach. If the players are disregarding what the coach is saying then I’m sorry but that too falls on the coach is there is a disconnect.

I’m not saying this is 100% the fault of Goodwin either, it’s a multifaceted issue and from what I can see a bunch of systemic faults at play, but Goodwin cannot be excused in totality either.

16 hours ago, Dannyz said:

The FD and executive understand that Gawn is not the captain we are looking for in terms of where we are looking to take the young players and for ruthlessness of standards required to achieve that but if he were removed, it would be the third such captain removed from his role in Goodwins reign.

I can’t remember another coach who has had to move on three captains in 8 years and it’s not via natural attrition.

Not quite sure there's a replacement either

16 hours ago, Dannyz said:

They didn’t really replace Yze did they and gee, it shows.

The thing is, Yze did not need to be replaced. He was already in the building. An offer should've been made to him to encourage him to stay that he would be the next boss at the end of Goodwin's contract.

Better clubs have let better coaches walk to ensure they get their next good coach (Port and Sydney for one)

Instead we didn't because we believed Goodwin would be the guy

We backed the wrong horse

(not to mention the diabolical coaching decisions that have been made since he left)

17 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

The thing is, Yze did not need to be replaced. He was already in the building. An offer should've been made to him to encourage him to stay that he would be the next boss at the end of Goodwin's contract.

Better clubs have let better coaches walk to ensure they get their next good coach (Port and Sydney for one)

Instead we didn't because we believed Goodwin would be the guy

We backed the wrong horse

(not to mention the diabolical coaching decisions that have been made since he left)

Goody had just won us a flag, and while we did go out of finals the next two years, we finished top 4 and lost by a kick in finals after some pretty unfortunate injuries.

We were never going to talk about a transition plan, and Yze was rightly never turning down a senior gig he has worked so hard for.

It's unfortunate that Yze got a senior role offered to him then, a year later and things may have been different.

35 minutes ago, lorn said:

Most likely they'll be big changes to the football department and probably assistant coaches with Goodwin surviving.

Yes, the most likely scenario.

The preferred one ? NO

A very Melbourne outcome.

3 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

I'm in agreement with you.

Given where it's now gotten to, it might have become untenable for Goodwin, but I don't blame him as much as I blame the players.

History says Goodwin is the biggest winner at the club. He won as a player and he found a way to win as a coach. I think that when everything settles, and people on this board see the unmitigated disaster that is going to unfold under the next coach, Goodwin will be looked back on as a genius for devising a style of play that:

1. Took opposition coaches about 18 months to work out how to combat.

2. Made a team that is incredibly one paced look like they could move at speed (at times) through the way they released to ball out the front.

3. Got a group of players to buy in and apply pressure, when history says they generally just don't want to do that for extended periods.

4. Helped a group of players who are historically bad from a skill and execution under pressure perspective to execute well enough to get to the ultimate prize.

Maybe we do have to acknowledge that 2021 may have been one of the biggest examples of great luck and great timing in sports history (who cares, they can't take it off us), but either way we cannot deny that he guided what surely looks to be an extremely weak group of players to a flag...

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Question. We supposedly breached the 666 rule but it must have been for a second time otherwise there would have been a ball up

Can anyone direct me to when the first infraction was?

Thanks in advance

I think Max Gawn mentioned this in the morning. Apparently they got a warning during the second quarter.

39 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

This is def a contributing factor in us going from a flag to a bottom 4 club in under four years.

Great post SPC.

It's been said so many times by so many, particularly in the last three seasons (inc. this one).

Almost zero accountability and selection integrity is almost non-existent under SG.

That is partially on the SC but bottom line the coach has the final say.

Ultimately the problem goes all the way to the top and he has shown no signs of changing his ways with plenty of opportunity to do so.

The selection of Spargo & Petty ahead of AJ and *multiple alternatives to Spargo this week was the ultimate proof and the final nail for me.

He owns the flag with all the kudos that comes with it ... and deservedly so. But so must he own the subsequent debacle we are now witnessing.

Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.

3 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Am I the only Goody defender left???

This playing group is [censored] weak mentally until this is rectified... no coach will succeed here.

When the pressure was off early (both teams no finals to play for we play our best footy for the year). As soon as the slightest amount of pressure starts the crumble.... so embarrassing i feel sorry for them.

The talent is there... get the mentally right week in week out and we would have won by 80 +.

This is not on Goodwin this is on the whole club, but manly the leadership group.

I was with you until Sunday and you make valid points. But unfortunately it is the coach's responsibility to get the players organised, motivated and playing well. That doesn't absolve the players from responsibility and I am super disappointed with our senior group, however after Sunday decisions need to be made. Can't sack all the players, so unfortunately Goody has to go. It's what ruthless clubs do.

8 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Goody had just won us a flag, and while we did go out of finals the next two years, we finished top 4 and lost by a kick in finals after some pretty unfortunate injuries.

We were never going to talk about a transition plan, and Yze was rightly never turning down a senior gig he has worked so hard for.

It's unfortunate that Yze got a senior role offered to him then, a year later and things may have been different.

In Hindsight it looks like that was a big mistake. Letting him go and extending Simon until 2026.

3 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

In Hindsight it looks like that was a big mistake. Letting him go and extending Simon until 2026.

Yes well if we all had the benefit of hindsight we end up with Curnow over Weideman and we probably have 3 flags in the last 5 years.