On 06/10/2024 at 03:08, neolightveo said:

No, Not at all. Just trying to get clarification from people who may know more then me on this what is relialisticly achievable 

You quoted your own post, sorry about the confusion.

  On 06/10/2024 at 04:10, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah good one with the Fremantle one.

I'd honestly be very surprised on top of everything else that's going on off field with the review, that they'd actually find the time to be talking to other potential applicants and then coming up with some sort of agreement all behind Goodys back.

Not sure Brad Green is capable of doing this amongst everything else.

Maybe Perty can approach some other clubs and see if anyone's willing for a Goody trade.

  On 06/10/2024 at 06:34, Adam The God said:

Maybe Perty can approach some other clubs and see if anyone's willing for a Goody trade.

  On 06/10/2024 at 06:34, Adam The God said:

Maybe Perty can approach some other clubs and see if anyone's willing for a Goody trade.

O.M.G.

You do realise both Goodwin and Pert are under contract?

So let’s suppose that Pert is as ‘dead in the water’ as you seem to presume based on your interpretation of rumour and intimation from reports; we simply cannot get rid of everyone at one time, and we are spending time replacing board members, a President, a forward line coach and a senior assistant/midfield/gameplay coach, we should be also spending time looking for a tall forward to replace Neitz…

Let’s swap our coach and fire our CEO though. Thats what a solid club would do…🙄

These people aren’t evil, they may be incompetent but I doubt it, they may be on borrowed time, but we can have change to our benefit too…

Can we all get back to reality?

  On 06/10/2024 at 07:09, rpfc said:

O.M.G.

You do realise both Goodwin and Pert are under contract?

So let’s suppose that Pert is as ‘dead in the water’ as you seem to presume based on your interpretation of rumour and intimation from reports; we simply cannot get rid of everyone at one time, and we are spending time replacing board members, a President, a forward line coach and a senior assistant/midfield/gameplay coach, we should be also spending time looking for a tall forward to replace Neitz…

Let’s swap our coach and fire our CEO though. Thats what a solid club would do…🙄

These people aren’t evil, they may be incompetent but I doubt it, they may be on borrowed time, but we can have change to our benefit too…

Can we all get back to reality?

I support Goodwin...

  On 06/10/2024 at 03:09, Monbon said:

Jesu Christe! This thread is full of Graduates [censored] [censored] Laude of the Zelensky Academy for Farcical Comedy.

Sack the coach, sack the coach, sack the coach

He a cockroach, 

knows SFA about the game

will be replaced by Roffey

the sooner the better

that she came.

So here's a coach who won a flag three years ago, got hammered by injuries towards the end of 2022, even more so late '23, was always two players down in '24, because of Angus and Smith, got hammered by injuries even more this season, and many armchair critics on this site are so in the know about what it takes to coach an AFL side that I'm stunned none of you are getting a gig.

Then there are the 'gossip mongers', the clowns who believe every bit of Fantasyland blurted out by a very mediocre and biased media. 

 

 

Then there is the conga line of Goodwin apologists with their "nothing to see here" attitude who ignore that a potential golden era is quickly turning into a disaster.

We seem to be returning to the Neeld/Schwab era.

  On 06/10/2024 at 08:02, Cranky Franky said:

Then there is the conga line of Goodwin apologists with their "nothing to see here" attitude who ignore that a potential golden era is quickly turning into a disaster.

We seem to be returning to the Neeld/Schwab era.

My only interest on the topic of who coaches is that we have the person who gives us the best chance of winning it all. And my feeling is that the last 4 years have shown me that Goodwin has given these guys a method (albeit a very boring one to watch and maybe to play) that can win it all.

We've been let down by the guys on the field in pressure moments consistently over the last 3 years. I'm starting to think Goodwin's effort to get this group to the ultimate prize was a pretty remarkable one. The same players who won it all have looked slow and pretty poor in pivotal contests once teams worked out they need to move the ball in ways that don't allow us the kind of numbers advantage we want.

I am not confident that any other coach in the AFL could do better with these guys. And I reckon Goodwin himself will be in trouble if he loosens the defensive principles and tries to play a style where our players either win big contests or we get scored against regularly. Unless we turn over a lot of this list it is going to spell real trouble imo.

MFC Coaches since Norm Smith

John Beckwith 62 games 27% W/L

Ian Ridley 66 games 43% W/L

Bob Skilton 88 games 31% W/L

Dennis Jones 22 games 22% W/L

Carl Ditterich 44 games 25% W/L

Ron Barassi 111 games 30% W/L

John Northey 167 games 54% W/L

Neil Balme 98 games 41% W/L

Greg Hutchison 13 games 23% W/L

Neale Daniher 223 games 48% W/L

Mark Riley 9 games 33% W/L

Dean Bailey 83 games 26% W/L

Tod Viney 5 games 20% W/L

Mark Neeld 33 games 15% W/L

Neil Craig 11 games 9% W/L

Paul Roos 66 games 31% W/L

Simon Goodwin 183 games 56% W/L

  On 06/10/2024 at 08:02, Cranky Franky said:

Then there is the conga line of Goodwin apologists with their "nothing to see here" attitude who ignore that a potential golden era is quickly turning into a disaster.

We seem to be returning to the Neeld/Schwab era.

Oh, really. Good you are still the Cranky Franky I have come to know over the years - frankly cranky. Yes, indeed, Goody is Schwabian - where half of my ancestors came from - and Neeld won a premiership...Um, how many coaches have won one of them lately, Frankly? By the way, are you a descendant of Carl Der Grosser, King of the Franks?????

Edited October 6, 2024Oct 6 by Monbon

  On 06/10/2024 at 08:29, waynewussell said:

MFC Coaches since Norm Smith

John Beckwith 62 games 27% W/L

Ian Ridley 66 games 43% W/L

Bob Skilton 88 games 31% W/L

Dennis Jones 22 games 22% W/L

Carl Ditterich 44 games 25% W/L

Ron Barassi 111 games 30% W/L

John Northey 167 games 54% W/L

Neil Balme 98 games 41% W/L

Greg Hutchison 13 games 23% W/L

Neale Daniher 223 games 48% W/L

Mark Riley 9 games 33% W/L

Dean Bailey 83 games 26% W/L

Tod Viney 5 games 20% W/L

Mark Neeld 33 games 15% W/L

Neil Craig 11 games 9% W/L

Paul Roos 66 games 31% W/L

Simon Goodwin 183 games 56% W/L

SAYS IT ALL.

  On 06/10/2024 at 08:29, waynewussell said:

MFC Coaches since Norm Smith

John Beckwith 62 games 27% W/L

Ian Ridley 66 games 43% W/L

Bob Skilton 88 games 31% W/L

Dennis Jones 22 games 22% W/L

Carl Ditterich 44 games 25% W/L

Ron Barassi 111 games 30% W/L

John Northey 167 games 54% W/L

Neil Balme 98 games 41% W/L

Greg Hutchison 13 games 23% W/L

Neale Daniher 223 games 48% W/L

Mark Riley 9 games 33% W/L

Dean Bailey 83 games 26% W/L

Tod Viney 5 games 20% W/L

Mark Neeld 33 games 15% W/L

Neil Craig 11 games 9% W/L

Paul Roos 66 games 31% W/L

Simon Goodwin 183 games 56% W/L

I see this statistic a lot. 
 

Surely some of it is attributable to the strength of our list in recent years. 

The only categories I can come up with for those calling for Goodwin's sacking at this point in proceedings is as follows,

Trolls

Kids On School Holidays

Uninformed Boguns

Easily led Consumers of Click Bait Media

Affiliates of a Former Disgruntled Employee

Persons Unknown Who Know Something We Don't Know Yet

Nothing Better to Do Try-Hards

Wankers

Coaches Who Want the Job

Tom Morris

 

  On 06/10/2024 at 10:16, waynewussell said:

The only categories I can come up with for those calling for Goodwin's sacking at this point in proceedings is as follows,

Trolls

Kids On School Holidays

Uninformed Boguns

Easily led Consumers of Click Bait Media

Affiliates of a Former Disgruntled Employee

Persons Unknown Who Know Something We Don't Know Yet

Nothing Better to Do Try-Hards

Wankers

Coaches Who Want the Job

Tom Morris

 

Your list of % wins by coaches is totally meaningless without information of available talent.

Daniher didn’t have May & Lever, he had Alistair Nicholson & Matt Collins.

Ridley & Beckwith were probably decent coaches but had poor lists.

Pro Tip Next time post something useful.

  On 06/10/2024 at 09:48, Monbon said:

Oh, really. Good you are still the Cranky Franky I have come to know over the years - frankly cranky. Yes, indeed, Goody is Schwabian - where half of my ancestors came from - and Neeld won a premiership...Um, how many coaches have won one of them lately, Frankly? By the way, are you a descendant of Carl Der Grosser, King of the Franks?????

Well maybe. There is Scot, Irish, English, Italian, Spanish & French in my heritage.

  On 06/10/2024 at 11:22, Cranky Franky said:

Your list of % wins by coaches is totally meaningless without information of available talent.

Daniher didn’t have May & Lever, he had Alistair Nicholson & Matt Collins.

Ridley & Beckwith were probably decent coaches but had poor lists.

Pro Tip Next time post something useful.

… and you, good sir, just qualified for 6 of my 10 categories. Well done!

  On 06/10/2024 at 10:16, waynewussell said:

The only categories I can come up with for those calling for Goodwin's sacking at this point in proceedings is as follows,

Trolls

Kids On School Holidays

Uninformed Boguns

Easily led Consumers of Click Bait Media

Affiliates of a Former Disgruntled Employee

Persons Unknown Who Know Something We Don't Know Yet

Nothing Better to Do Try-Hards

Wankers

Coaches Who Want the Job

Tom Morris

 

And people who read the text messages to Stephen Dank and are unable to forget them  

I am as obliged to love the coach of my football team, as I am obliged to love the Prime Minister of my country. 

Ipso facto, I am not obliged at all. 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024Oct 6 by Mel Bourne

  On 06/10/2024 at 09:52, Monbon said:

SAYS IT ALL.

All? So no qualifiers? Goodwin is about a twice as good a coach as Paul Roos?

Edited October 6, 2024Oct 6 by John Demonic

  On 06/10/2024 at 16:26, John Demonic said:

All? So no qualifiers? Goodwin is about a twice as good a coach as Paul Roos?

Not so! Goodwin was an outstanding choice to cap the good work Roos started!

  On 06/10/2024 at 09:55, Mel Bourne said:

I see this statistic a lot. 
 

Surely some of it is attributable to the strength of our list in recent years. 

Of course it can. 

But the same could be said of every  VFL/AFL coach who has coached more than a 20 or 30 games with a better than 50% win loss record.

And of course, on that list of MFC coaches in the last sixty years only one has the most important stat - a flag.

  On 06/10/2024 at 08:02, Cranky Franky said:

Then there is the conga line of Goodwin apologists with their "nothing to see here" attitude who ignore that a potential golden era is quickly turning into a disaster.

We seem to be returning to the Neeld/Schwab era.

Better to defend our own Cranky than to perpetually [censored] can our coach and our club, driven by the mindless press and those influenced by them.

Strength Through Unity - much better than the alternative being spruiked by some on here.

Edited October 6, 2024Oct 6 by DeeZone
STU

  On 06/10/2024 at 21:46, binman said:

Of course it can. 

But the same could be said of every  VFL/AFL coach who has coached more than a 20 or 30 games with a better than 50% win loss record.

And of course, on that list of MFC coaches in the last sixty years only one has the most important stat - a flag.

Great comment binman. The problem this year was not the coach but injuries. Losing Smith and Gus before the season even started and then others over the season wrecked what was a good start. Add the complete lack of KPF’s and we see why we did not play finals. We need a good run with injuries next year!  What is happening with Smith? 

I have come to realise how lucky we are to have Goodwin. One of our superstars has ADHD and addictive tendencies. And another is self centred. And neither of them can regularly hit a target inside 50. The whole playing group could have easily fractured and turned on each other with a poorer coach.

  On 06/10/2024 at 11:24, Cranky Franky said:

Well maybe. There is Scot, Irish, English, Italian, Spanish & French in my heritage.

Sounds more like Oedipus Rex.

  On 06/10/2024 at 11:22, Cranky Franky said:

Your list of % wins by coaches is totally meaningless without information of available talent.

Daniher didn’t have May & Lever, he had Alistair Nicholson & Matt Collins.

Ridley & Beckwith were probably decent coaches but had poor lists.

Pro Tip Next time post something useful.

Get your facts right: Collins played for one season. Nicholson and Ingerson was more than handy. 

  On 06/10/2024 at 23:25, Monbon said:

Get your facts right: Collins played for one season.

Get yours right.  He played with MFC for four seasons - 1998 to 2001.