Oliver Trade Rumours

[JJJ 1,103]

10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Like him or loathe him, Garry speaks the truth. Players like Oliver are very hard to find. From a talent perspective it is an irrecoverable position.

On a side note, I found Tom’s line of questioning and statements about footy clubs to be humorous. The guy has no [censored] idea about the fabric of a sporting organisation. If I were Garry I would’ve told him to back the truck up. And punched him in the mouth…..

[Big Gun 42]

Wonder how poor Jimmy, being so passionate  about supporting young people through Reach, would view the treatment of these young men by the club.

 

[MrFreeze 1,872]

56 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

 

Pert is on the list management committee. He sits in the weekly meetings. So what if he rings another contact at another club. Maybe he has a better relationship with them compared to Lamb. Maybe he rang Ned Kelly cause the Pies don’t have a footy manager currently. I've never seen something so over blown than the blow up over Pert contacting another club.

Yep, i bet these calls happen every day, especially heading into trade period. 

[RedFox 476]

13 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

It might look a bad deal to you, but you don't know the full story and have to work with Oliver every day.

From the outside looking in all I saw from Clayton this season was that of somebody who was doing all the team things. He was getting around all of his teammates on the park, revelling in celebrating milestones, re-signings, playing a key role in the Kozzy doco. If he is a nightmare to work with, it certainly didn't appear that way on game day or in the media content put out by the club.

Even as recently in his podcast interview he spoke pretty well and seemed energised to attack this pre-season. Our skipper on radio this morning says he loves him as a player and even more as a person.

[Redleg 40,341]

2 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Interesting way of phrasing it...

Do the farms get counted?

[mo64 5,596]

1 minute ago, Big Gun said:

Wonder how poor Jimmy, being so passionate  about supporting young people through Reach, would view the treatment of these young men by the club.

 

If you are referring to Oliver, he's 27 for christ's sake. 

[von 1,506]

3 hours ago, bluey said:

Go down to Centrelink champ and look around, you will see a lot of hubris, with similar traits.

What does this even mean. How is that related to the previous comment?

[von 1,506]

3 hours ago, WiseDeeMan said:

I was told at the beginning of 2021 specifically from a former player (hasn't been at the club for a 2-3 years now) Oliver is big, big trouble.  He is treated differently to everyone else simply because he is a good player. If others were to do some of the things he does, they would be treated very differently.  He mentioned that one day when Oliver was behaving poorly, he gave it to him straight....yet Oliver wasn't the one reprimanded, it was Goodwin who spoke with this particular player and said "you can't talk to Clayton like that, we have to be careful with him". 

I would say enough is enough.  He clearly is massive trouble and has a huge contract.  Let go of getting compensated fairly based on his playing ability alone.  It's the whole package you must look at, his character is highly questionable and his contract will haunt us for years to come if he stays.

I'm guessing here, and this is just my opinion, but we have heard Petracca isn't upset with Oliver, but more with the way the club has handled him. I would say this is consistent with the above - they have had rules for him, and rules for others.  

It also was backed up by the infamous Pert / Goodwin interview where they said we've tolerated things and he will now be held accountable for his actions.  

Overall a good move by the MFC I say. 

The Chicago bulls in the 90s made room for all their personalities. Max Gawn seems to lead that way as well. Sometimes to get the most out of people you have to let them be who they are. If you make certain personality types submit to your will you will break them and get nothing out of them.

[At the break of Gawn 4,448]

 

[Mach5 4,703]

Worth bearing in mind in all the mass erratic outrage over keeping Clayton or ridding ourselves of him (depending on the latest update), is the key variable in all of this is what Geelong is willing to send back our way, and I’ve not seen that confirmed anywhere.

I also wouldn’t trust Mackie to not walk it back once at the point of no return.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,877]

3 hours ago, WiseDeeMan said:

I was told at the beginning of 2021 specifically from a former player (hasn't been at the club for a 2-3 years now) Oliver is big, big trouble.  He is treated differently to everyone else simply because he is a good player. If others were to do some of the things he does, they would be treated very differently.  He mentioned that one day when Oliver was behaving poorly, he gave it to him straight....yet Oliver wasn't the one reprimanded, it was Goodwin who spoke with this particular player and said "you can't talk to Clayton like that, we have to be careful with him". 

I would say enough is enough.  He clearly is massive trouble and has a huge contract.  Let go of getting compensated fairly based on his playing ability alone.  It's the whole package you must look at, his character is highly questionable and his contract will haunt us for years to come if he stays.

I'm guessing here, and this is just my opinion, but we have heard Petracca isn't upset with Oliver, but more with the way the club has handled him. I would say this is consistent with the above - they have had rules for him, and rules for others.  

It also was backed up by the infamous Pert / Goodwin interview where they said we've tolerated things and he will now be held accountable for his actions.  

Overall a good move by the MFC I say. 

I don't disagree with this but it comes back to mismanagement by the club and that is who must be held accountable. Oliver is a symptom of this culture, not the cause.

Combine that with the way the potential trade scenario has been handled and it is complete dysfunctional. We are a laughing stock and it is not because of Oliver.

[Jaded No More 68,591]

Just now, At the break of Gawn said:

 

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11 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Wonder how poor Jimmy, being so passionate  about supporting young people through Reach, would view the treatment of these young men by the club.

 

There’s been a lot of weird posts on here of late but this has just taken the lead.

[Wells 11 5,299]

To trade Oliver for next to nothing would have torn the club apart. We get another year of a way healthier version ( I hope) and if we handle it well throughout the year will get way better value IF it comes to it. I’m relieved. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,728]

10 minutes ago, RedFox said:

From the outside looking in all I saw from Clayton this season was that of somebody who was doing all the team things. He was getting around all of his teammates on the park, revelling in celebrating milestones, re-signings, playing a key role in the Kozzy doco. If he is a nightmare to work with, it certainly didn't appear that way on game day or in the media content put out by the club.

Even as recently in his podcast interview he spoke pretty well and seemed energised to attack this pre-season. Our skipper on radio this morning says he loves him as a player and even more as a person.

But at no stage was he fit enough to play at the elite level, so he is actually letting the team down, and Clarry must take some responsibility for that, as do the MFC. it was ludicrous to play him in the front half of the ‘24 Season 

[greenwaves 470]

9 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

 

Shut down a trade but waiting to see if Geelong come back with a trade proposal? Huh?

Edited yesterday at 02:37 by greenwaves

[Demon17 5,101]

4 hours ago, Tracca said:

My take is the external review has said get rid of bad apples. And we have told clarry to start looking around

Your'e on the money IMO.

Doesn't refer to ANB though-  he's genuine in needing change 

[layzie 33,278]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I agree, it's been handled extremely poorly.

Start off by getting rid of Pert for starters. This wouldn't be handled so poorly under Peter Jacksons and Josh Mahoneys watch.

Look at the way we professionally handled the Jack Watts and Jesse Hogan scenario. 

Can we all just admit that the club is in a complete mess no matter which side of the fence people sit on with Clarry?

There are very valid takes on this from many on here and I can see all sides.

We can't lose sight of the fact that the club has had problems, handled them terribly, and the reason the club is in the damn shape it's in right now is because of bull [censored] like this. 

Edited yesterday at 02:37 by layzie

[At the break of Gawn 4,448]

2 minutes ago, greenwaves said:

Shut down but waiting to see if Geelong come back with a trade proposal? Huh?

It’s just a journalistic method to not fully commit to your statement.

[DeeZee 7,347]

What really concerns me as it does Max is the leaking of information.

Whos doing it?

Cant they do anything without the whole world knowing about it immediately?

Why would people within the club want to hurt the club?

[RedFox 476]

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But at no stage was he fit enough to play at the elite level, so he is actually letting the team down, and Clarry must take some responsibility for that, as do the MFC. it was ludicrous to play him in the front half of the ‘24 Season 

Agree - he clearly wasn't anywhere near the level of fitness required for obvious reasons. Similarly, our midfield was so badly depleted that even at half fitness he was a more viable ball winner than anybody playing in the twos. In hindsight he should have been put on ice as soon as his hand injury was preventing him from performing the fundamentals.

[von 1,506]

1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

I really don't want to hear the ADD defence either. It's mostly BS.

Why

[DubDee 24,679]

2 hours ago, JJJ said:

Im sure this is public knowledge but I’ll repeat it anyway, Clazz has been a load since his first season.

When Brendan McCartney was at the club, he got so sick and tired of Oliver’s antics that he sat him down in his office and showed him a long list of names.

He said, “do you recognise these names?”

”yeah some of them”

McCartney replied, “these are all the people at the club who think you’re a [censored]!!”

McCartney was really good for Oliver in those early days. Oliver was unaware that his behaviour was so impactful to so many people. McCartney was no nonsense and steered Oliver the right direction in terms of professionalism and treatment of others.

This is really an indictment on Clarry.

8 years after efforts like this from respected mentors and he chooses not to change

[JJJ 1,103]

2 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Why would people within the club want to hurt the club?

There are plenty of people working in the AFL landscape that just see it as a job, they are not passionate about the brand/club. Some of these people might feel a bit of a rush by telling a journo one or two things to start. Then it becomes something more permanent.

[BLWNBA 782]

7 minutes ago, von said:

Why

I can't speak for the original poster, but essentially, diagnoses are often used as a shield, often without any nuance. Whilst there are legitimate reasons and occurrences where a diagnosis can play a part in an aggravating / mitigating manner, to have it bandied about in such a trivial manner, is not only disingenuous but completely trivialises and diminishes legitimate cases where a diagnoses is  a causative mechanism. I'd also suggest in many cases, these factors are far more causative than enabling. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:51 by BLWNBA