Oliver Trade Rumours

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Russell Robertson saying now on SEN that "no player is bigger than the club."

Very odd from him.

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2 minutes ago, praha said:

Russell Robertson saying now on SEN that "no player is bigger than the club."

Very odd from him.

He said the same thing about Trac

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50 minutes ago, DeesignerAU said:

I just want a CEO who lives in the same state as the team we follow, bonus if he/she lives in Melbourne and I want someone who is willing to do the job not take shortcuts.

PS - Membership was always going to increase as a result of the premiership so that's not a tick for him.

Does pert live in Noosa ? Is that a fact ?

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6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Knowing about it and agreeing with it are not the same thing. 
One wonders why the CEO is shopping a player around when we have a whole footy department who is responsible for trades. 
Perhaps it’s because Pert is going against the wishes of the FD, which if that’s the case, you may as well offload Goody, Richo and Lamb too, as their positions are untenable.

There can't be a FD position, there has to be a agreed club position. If Pert as CEO has executed actions not in compliance with the agreed club position then his position would be untenable. But that sounds unlikely. Thinking floating Oliver for trade discretely would not hit the media remains naive. 

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3 minutes ago, praha said:

Russell Robertson saying now on SEN that "no player is bigger than the club."

Very odd from him.

Russell Robertson was one of the most SELFISH players ever, He was always wanting to be the centre of attention, stuff the club SERIOUSLY??

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4 minutes ago, mo64 said:

The only reason we would be shopping Oliver around is that his off field issues are similar to that of Jesse Hogan.

If he's being shopped around, I don't know that any of us know the reasons. The internal workings and the internal dynamics of a playing group and club are not generally accessible to the wider public.

But to throw my own baseless speculation into the ring, I do wonder whether deep down here at some level the club has decided to close-off on this playing group and look to rebuilding around the next group down (JVR, Rivers, Judd, Windsor etc) plus going to the draft - and in particular this draft which apparently has plenty of talent. We've got Pick 5, perhaps we can massage our way into a second first-round pick. But if we could get a third first-rounder as well, it could go a fair way to setting us up long-term.

So ... Oliver: getting older, would get us some decent picks plus clear salary space. Also, much as we love him, he's not bringing leadership or a wise head either - and this when we've lost Gus and ANB.

Random thoughts.

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16 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Perhaps it’s because Pert is going against the wishes of the FD

Or perhaps not.

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37 minutes ago, DeesignerAU said:

Sure, I wasn't aware of this until I made some enquiries with "connected" people during Petracca-Gate.

I was told that a number of high profile Melbourne "people" (influential members/coterie types) are getting sick of Pert "working from home" in Noosa.

I initially was sceptical however Google is a wonderful thing and a little bit of digging confirmed that there's a "close family" business listed on the Dunn & Bradstreet register where the address is Noosa. I won't say who or what.

Now before anyone pipes up, this could absolutely be a way to claim back flights to and from the family holiday house or.... the truth that he in fact lives and "works from home" in Noosa and the information I was given is correct.

@Superunknown 

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15 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

I'm not across the review. Am I right in suggesting that Gary Pert is, in effect, partially reviewing himself? 

On the basis of what we know, the review is into the Football Department.

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We either keep Oliver and throw everything into the next two years, or dump him and start building towards 2028. We will get [censored] all for him. 

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2 minutes ago, DeesignerAU said:

@Superunknown 

Ta!

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2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Or perhaps not.

So 24 hours ago the club via Richo releases a statement claiming Oliver is a required player and we look forward to seeing him in red and blue next year and beyond. 
24 hours later we have 4 different leaks, suggesting the club is pushing Clarry to look at this options after Pert rang around clubs to see if they’d be interested. 

Make it make sense, because as far as I can tell, those are two different positions being taken by two different parts of the club.

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1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

Make it make sense, because as far as I can tell, those are two different positions being taken by two different parts of the club.

Publicly the club has to deny deny deny. If Richardson comes out and says "we've suggested to Clayton that he explores his options", we'd be lucky to get a future second-rounder for him, especially on his salary.

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I heard Collingwood were in a party mood when Pert left.

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2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Publicly the club has to deny deny deny. If Richardson comes out and says "we've suggested to Clayton that he explores his options", we'd be lucky to get a future second-rounder for him, especially on his salary.

The club can say nothing, as other clubs have when their players are being floated for trade. 
 

Why does no other club have their player movements plastered all over the media?

We are a [censored] mess 

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1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Publicly the club has to deny deny deny. If Richardson comes out and says "we've suggested to Clayton that he explores his options", we'd be lucky to get a future second-rounder for him, especially on his salary.

How does that work? Pert is calling up a bunch of clubs and saying "hey are you still keen on Oliver?" and we think we can con them into paying overs because we release a public statement to the press saying we will never trade him.

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9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

So 24 hours ago the club via Richo releases a statement claiming Oliver is a required player and we look forward to seeing him in red and blue next year and beyond. 
24 hours later we have 4 different leaks, suggesting the club is pushing Clarry to look at this options after Pert rang around clubs to see if they’d be interested. 

Make it make sense, because as far as I can tell, those are two different positions being taken by two different parts of the club.

Club is Rudderless!

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16 minutes ago, bing181 said:

If he's being shopped around, I don't know that any of us know the reasons. The internal workings and the internal dynamics of a playing group and club are not generally accessible to the wider public.

But to throw my own baseless speculation into the ring, I do wonder whether deep down here at some level the club has decided to close-off on this playing group and look to rebuilding around the next group down (JVR, Rivers, Judd, Windsor etc) plus going to the draft - and in particular this draft which apparently has plenty of talent. We've got Pick 5, perhaps we can massage our way into a second first-round pick. But if we could get a third first-rounder as well, it could go a fair way to setting us up long-term.

So ... Oliver: getting older, would get us some decent picks plus clear salary space. Also, much as we love him, he's not bringing leadership or a wise head either - and this when we've lost Gus and ANB.

Random thoughts.

If I was in charge I would be thinking something similiar. 

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1 minute ago, KozzyCan said:

How does that work? Pert is calling up a bunch of clubs and saying "hey are you still keen on Oliver?" and we think we can con them into paying overs because we release a public statement to the press saying we will never trade him.

Exactly right. 
Clubs aren’t stupid. If we are floating an A grader with 5 years remaining on his deal, then we are willing to take unders. It’s not as if Clarry has asked for a trade, and we stand firm and say no way unless we get 2 top 10 picks etc. 

If it’s us driving the trade, we will lose in the deal. Which is why we are an amateur club.

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4 hours ago, picket fence said:

He is the best mate of the source who is an influential person. 

Oh no...not an influencer....bit like Laura Loumer then......he/she is not Chinese by any chance and whispers a lot?

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8 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Publicly the club has to deny deny deny. If Richardson comes out and says "we've suggested to Clayton that he explores his options", we'd be lucky to get a future second-rounder for him, especially on his salary.

This makes no sense. You don't categorically deny the rumours and say a player of his popularity and calibre will be at the club next year, while at the same time privately shopping him around, mere weeks after the club was leaking stories almost daily about Petracca (and now Kozzie).

Either the club is straight up lying to its supporters, in which case we should he disgusted and very angry, or the club is in disarray. 

Which one? Are supporters being take for mugs or is the club breaking down?

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19 minutes ago, bing181 said:

If he's being shopped around, I don't know that any of us know the reasons. The internal workings and the internal dynamics of a playing group and club are not generally accessible to the wider public.

But to throw my own baseless speculation into the ring, I do wonder whether deep down here at some level the club has decided to close-off on this playing group and look to rebuilding around the next group down (JVR, Rivers, Judd, Windsor etc) plus going to the draft - and in particular this draft which apparently has plenty of talent. We've got Pick 5, perhaps we can massage our way into a second first-round pick. But if we could get a third first-rounder as well, it could go a fair way to setting us up long-term.

So ... Oliver: getting older, would get us some decent picks plus clear salary space. Also, much as we love him, he's not bringing leadership or a wise head either - and this when we've lost Gus and ANB.

Random thoughts.

If the club thinks we should rebuild around our young players, why sign Viney long term? Why keep Langdon? Why not also trade Trac? Why chase Houston?

Oliver just turned 27. That’s prime age for a midfielder. Cripps won two Brownlows in his 30s.