On 09/10/2024 at 23:58, KozzyCan said:

I said it in another post. You take the Paul Roos position: "every player is tradable for the right price."

If Oliver's manager was coming to us midyear to discuss a possible trade we should not have shut it down but said "make us an offer". Keep the ball in Geelong's court and see what they were willing to pony up. Furthermore if Oliver wanted to explore his options, let him. If we're in the position where we have a contracted player who wants to leave and a club that wants to get him we have the most leverage.

As soon as we became the ones shopping him that leverage was gone and Geelong knew it. No big statement at the BnF was going to change that.

Oliver is virtually untradeable unless we accept massive unders.  So it looks like we're stuck with him

As for the clubs stance, they have to play the poker face as there might be a club or 2 who might want him

  On 09/10/2024 at 23:57, Macca said:

So Oliver was squeaky clean in 2023?  Really?  I seem to remember him missing 3 months with some sort of mystery ailment

And then he lost the trust of the players and the FD.  That's ok?

Oh, and we put him up for trade in 2023 as well.  Is that the clubs fault?  Seriously? 

And then this season after picking up his monthly cheque of $100,000k he decides to present himself unfit and overweight

That's ok as well? 

As for Petracca, where do we start?

Never said he was squeaky clean. Other clubs have similar 'issues' and yet don't have to go through this!! 

Therein lies my issue. If Clarry/Trac had issues, fine, but we could have internalised them better to protect OUR brand and ability to obtain fair compensation should we trade either of them. 

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:00, Macca said:

Oliver is virtually untradeable unless we accept massive unders.  So it looks like we're stuck with him

As for the clubs stance, they have to play the poker face as there might be a club or 2 who might want him

Apart from the fact that Geelong have clearly been planning this for a year.

The club has no poker face. Anyone could call their bluff.

But I think this discussion has run it's course. Have a good one.

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:00, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Never said he was squeaky clean. Other clubs have similar 'issues' and yet don't have to go through this!! 

Therein lies my issue. If Clarry/Trac had issues, fine, but we could have internalised them better to protect OUR brand and ability to obtain fair compensation should we trade either of them. 

How do you internalise things in footy?  It's virtually impossible when the issues are massive

As for the leaks, look for the player managers as Roos pointed out a decade ago

It's hard to see because there's not great visibility but the easy option is to blame the club

I feel sorry for Kate Roffey because as far as I'm concerned she did nothing wrong.  But the wolves wanted answers and she gave them nothing

The sacrificial lamb

Wasn’t The Brand annoyed that not everyone on the list behaved and trained like a very well paid professional sportsman should in a team sport? The Brand works incredibly hard to present in their absolute best shape and wants to win Flags. It all played out poorly for them and the club but I find it interesting that since then it feels Oliver is being pushed out. I don’t know the inner workings but the vibe I get is there’s many in the club who are sick of his issues and want a fresh start, The Brand well and truly included in this group. Isn’t it this division within the club that has allowed the media a field day on half truths, innuendo and mere speculation? Get on the same page people!

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:06, KozzyCan said:

Apart from the fact that Geelong have clearly been planning this for a year.

The club has no poker face. Anyone could call their bluff.

But I think this discussion has run it's course. Have a good one.

It certainly has but up until now, I've avoided this thread with regards to posting on the thread

But numerous others here especially many veteran posters were earlier saying the same thing as what I'm saying now

Has anything changed? 

All we're hearing is that Oliver wants to stay ... and I could give you $10Million reasons as to why he wants to stay

 

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:00, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Never said he was squeaky clean. Other clubs have similar 'issues' and yet don't have to go through this!! 

Therein lies my issue. If Clarry/Trac had issues, fine, but we could have internalised them better to protect OUR brand and ability to obtain fair compensation should we trade either of them. 

No two 'issues' are the same, and some 'issues' are more challenging to manage than other 'issues'. 

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:06, KozzyCan said:

Apart from the fact that Geelong have clearly been planning this for a year.

And using the media to influence the club to accept a lowball trade offer.

If Pert contacted other clubs to gauge interest in bettering Geelong's offer, isn't that just doing business? His only mistake would be that nothing stays 'within the room' in clubland, and asking for that is naive.

  On 09/10/2024 at 22:58, Katrina Dee Fan said:

the sh*t show is the media's.  They've been told that he's not going, by both Melbourne and Geelong.  The media are literal sh*tstains on society.

Exactly. All this criticism, doomsaying, character-assassinating as result of what? The club has said multiple times: he won't be traded. Some media snipers dispute this but offer no actual evidence. People need to get a grip!!

The pile-on the club with regards to the Oliver & Petracca issues is not just coming from the media, it's coming from supporters of all the other clubs and our own supporters

But there are a lot of very disappointed Demon supporters who are quite angry that we haven't won another flag in the last 3 years

So does that anger extends to blaming the club because we have 2 renegade players on our hands? Looks that way to me

Any excuse to pile on but any comparisons with the current situation to 2012/13 is quite ridiculous

Back then we really were a basket case with no redeeming features

The way I see it is that we are able to fix the Oliver/Petracca issues, we'll be fine

The supporters got their pound of flesh with Kate gone.  You want more?  A feeding frenzy? 

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:22, Clintosaurus said:

And using the media to influence the club to accept a lowball trade offer.

If Pert contacted other clubs to gauge interest in bettering Geelong's offer, isn't that just doing business? His only mistake would be that nothing stays 'within the room' in clubland, and asking for that is naive.

Excellent post, Clint

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:24, Ollie fan said:

Exactly. All this criticism, doomsaying, character-assassinating as result of what? The club has said multiple times: he won't be traded. Some media snipers dispute this but offer no actual evidence. People need to get a grip!!

Its what they get paid to do. Speculate based off of speculation. So many people here are getting sucked in.

When I see the name McClure next to anything I simply just ignore it. He's getting paid to be an ultracrepidarian. 

His goal is to keep pushing a story beyond truth to get clicks and make forums such as this go mental talking about him. He lost a lot of credit for his Harley Reid statements last year when he said "I'm telling you they're not going to pick him" (referring to West Coast) and many other occasions where his speculation was just simply false. He doesn't care, he wins either way. 

Edited October 10, 2024Oct 10 by Young Blood

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:36, Macca said:

The pile-on the club with regards to the Oliver & Petracca issues is not just coming from the media, it's coming from supporters of all the other clubs and our own supporters

 

It's coming from supporters of other clubs and our own supporters BECAUSE it's coming from the media, don't you see that?  The media are the ones setting the agenda. No one would be talking about this at all if Manure et al kept to not making up stories.

Edited October 10, 2024Oct 10 by Katrina Dee Fan

  On 09/10/2024 at 05:50, dazzledavey36 said:

Nothing more cringe then a drunk fan annoying an AFL player.. 

Or an adult saying “cringe” instead of “cringeworthy”. 

  On 09/10/2024 at 23:35, Macca said:

 

As for Petracca and his petty attitude dragging the club through the mud for close on 3 weeks, that was disgraceful

I wonder who or what was dragging us through the mud for the previous 2 years though? 

  On 09/10/2024 at 23:38, Slartibartfast said:

Give it a rest Macca, you’ve made your point more than once.

Completely agree Starti . 
Macca as in all things it takes 2 to tango. Heard of that?

It’s not completely their  fault and if both parties had agreed to full and frank discussions at least with empathy from the Club how both were coming from it might have circumvented much of the outside media picnic.

The media needs to know that its decisions have been made ( and Trac and Clarry’s also ) hold ONE presser with Greeny Simon and Max plus the two and end the matter with questions to finalise the whole thing and any other matters of concern. End of story the Club or players will not be available to discuss these matters they are finished and we are not available to anyone who wishes to keep pushing their barrow for cheap and over exaggerated wishes to put the Club down. 

BTW what if any role did the leadership group play in this ? Surely some of this could be handled by them. I don’t like it that we refuse to really nominate a specific group of players and only Gawny and Jack are put forward. Time to change this fiasco and make it serious  and in public. 

Wouldn’t hurt to have both at some stage be on the leadership group to see how 40 plus players need allies like them at some stage. 

Enough said Macca put your pen down please!!! 
 

  On 10/10/2024 at 00:52, Young Blood said:

Its what they get paid to do. Speculate based off of speculation. So many people here are getting sucked in.

When I see the name McClure next to anything I simply just ignore it. He's getting paid to be an ultracrepidarian. 

His goal is to keep pushing a story beyond truth to get clicks and make forums such as this go mental talking about him. He lost a lot of credit for his Harley Reid statements last year when he said "I'm telling you they're not going to pick him" (referring to West Coast) and many other occasions where his speculation was just simply false. He doesn't care, he wins either way. 

Ignoring the media isn't that hard ... it pays not to take things personally

But buying into their garbage is another matter.  Effectively blaming the club because the media are blaming the club is weak

The main 2 issues surrounds 2 players.  And in either case, the club is not at fault

But because they are our best 2 players many are blinded by their own adulation

Lose the adulation I say.  Team first wins

Anything else loses

And we need to get back to playing as a team again with or without the 2 problem players

Wish you had have said that a couple of days ago.

  On 09/10/2024 at 22:40, Red But Mostly Blue said:

This is relentless. Exhausting. Disheartening.

MFC: Just tell us what we're going to do and be done with it. 

If we're going to give one of our greatest ever players the old heave ho, for nothing, for reasons unknown because the comms team is a mess/messages are mixed/bins are on fire everywhere - then whatever. Just do it. 

Clarry is my favourite player and I'll be gutted if it goes, but I am tired of all this that I almost don't care anymore. And the opinion of us long-term members doesn't seem to matter. They don't listen. It's their job to run the footy club. But in my humble opinion, things are not being run well, and there is plenty of proof. Trac and Clarry debacles are recent examples.

It's like the plane has been going down for a while now, we've had the oxygen, but now we know nothing's going to change so I'm just going to stare out the window until it's done. 

What a sh*t show. 

If it's all to much to handle RBMB then just choose to tune out. Trade period will be all over next Thursday morning. Things could go many ways in the meantime - tune back in then and find out what happened.

  On 10/10/2024 at 01:06, Katrina Dee Fan said:

It's coming from supporters of other clubs and our own supporters BECAUSE it's coming from the media, don't you see that?  

Yeah that's what I said

Did you read my post?

  On 10/10/2024 at 01:43, John Crow Batty said:

I wonder who or what was dragging us through the mud for the previous 2 years though? 

So I'm talking about 2023 & 2024

We won the flag in 2021 so what happened in 2022?

Please don't keep these nonsense rumours swirling

The club have come out numerous times to say Oliver is going nowhere and will not be traded

The only reason it is in the news again is a re-hashed tweet with no new information as the 'journo's' can't justify their existence during a boring trade week

  On 09/10/2024 at 23:50, ElDiablo14 said:

There's a reason legacy MSM is a dying species. And good riddance!

it's only good riddance if there is a better substitute

and therein lies a bigger problem

never mind, in the future AI-News will be the harbinger of a "real" truth 😎 

  On 10/10/2024 at 02:47, DubDee said:

Please don't keep these nonsense rumours swirling

The club have come out numerous times to say Oliver is going nowhere and will not be traded

The only reason it is in the news again is a re-hashed tweet with no new information as the 'journo's' can't justify their existence during a boring trade week

It's not over until the trade bell goes next Wednesday night, it's naive to think it is.

I had a wonderful, pressure relieving epiphany a few days ago.

All we supposedly know, is what the mostly detestable media pundits have told us, and given my general distrust of said pundits, I really actually know very little at all..

I’m sure there is truth to everything we’ve heard, but who actually knows but the club, and the player. In any case, anything we have heard has become pained and distorted either with intent by Morris, Cornes et al, or by us, in our Dees obsessed, fanatical handwringing.

It’s caused me to stop scrutinising and dissecting every shred of info.

Pure bliss.