23 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Random thought - does the AFL have to follow any rules, or are they able to do whatever they like? There's no legislation regulating their decisions and we all continue to buy memberships, merchandise and go to games.

No I don't believe so. That's why I've suggested they should just run with a panel who makes the decisions, no tribunal or anything. Once they make a decision it's final. The AFL can do what they want, it's their competition though I'm sure there are certain things built into their constitution or whatever they call it. The tribunal an antiquated system that goes back years to the time where there was no TV, so the people who witnessed things had to sit down and argue the facts. We have  cameras now on every instance so I don't understand why it is needed.

17 hours ago, Demon17 said:

The good bloke rule - Cameron

Best legal defence in the land. 

We need to get more references for our players.

19 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Best legal defence in the land. 

We need to get more references for our players.

lol we werent even allowed to call an *EXPERT* witness for kozzie last week, let alone 2 character witnesses. [censored] is rigged.

Looking at the replay of the Lever incident and the rap he is getting, having relaxed his body and bounced his head in the action. 

Motorbike pins Lever's arms, lifts his legs off the ground, slings his body round so as to get momentum and drives, as his head bounces off the ground. Lever was focused on the faux handball attempt, so he doesn't get freed against.

I am amazed by some commentary that Lever, made it easy and exaggerated the look of it.

Wow, then Dunkley gets a take on the matter, victim blaming.

The Lions are really building the MFC hate towards them.

Edited April 18, 2024Apr 18 by kev martin

12 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Looking at the replay of the Lever incident and the rap he is getting, having relaxed his body and bounced his head in the action. 

Motorbike pins Lever's arms, lifts his legs off the ground, slings his body round so as to get momentum and drives, as his head bounces off the ground.

I am amazed by some commentary that Lever, made it easy and exaggerated the look of it.

Wow, then Dunkley gets a take on the matter, victim blaming.

The Lions are really building the MFC hate towards them.

dunkley still having nightmares from september 25 2021 annihilation

18 hours ago, biggestred said:

All of these rules can be summarised into "money is king"

Exactly.

Money is king is the AFLs core value.

As life long football fan i have no sense that the AFL consider or prioritise the views of the key stakeholders - us.

The only time they do is as if those views relate to their money is king mantra, that's to say will we stop spening money on the 'product'.

 

Can’t wait until the day when the AFL has to try and defend itself (and it’s joke of a tribunal decision making processes) against aggrieved former / current players in a real court of law. It’s just a matter of time.

Still laughing at this. Their whole club gets this by default.

Edited April 18, 2024Apr 18 by Clintosaurus

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

dunkley still having nightmares from september 25 2021 annihilation

And digging a bit deeper, closer inspection of the 3rd quarter triumph in 2021 shows that Trac's miracle goal in the 3rd was enabled by a brilliant shepherd on Dunkley by ......KOZZIE PICKETT around the back of the pack.

That makes Kozzie a good bloke in my book and Dunkley jsut a sook as your indicate Daisy.

I'm posting a tin of metal polish today to Jake so he gave give his medal a spruce up.

16 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Hang on there.

 

Big Max and TMac ARE good blokes. So can they take anyone out now up to the 2024 GF.

 

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Still laughing at this. Their whole club gets this by default.

He is right though. I find Chris Scott more and more insightful and generally agree with him on most footy matters.

What the hell does Cameron’s character have to do with a sling tackle

The 'good bloke' defence is alive and well in the AFL.

I've noticed many tacklers show a duty of care and nurse the player to the turf.

Motorbike continues with aggression all the way through his tackle against Lever, and the AFL call him the "good guy".

If they are going to go with "good guy" adjudications, then they need stats for positive duty of care actions. These stats could reduce fines and occasionally suspensions. The effect would be that sporting actions may save them money.and so incentivise care to the opponent.

Edited April 18, 2024Apr 18 by kev martin

34 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I've noticed many tacklers show a duty of care and nurse the player to the turf.

Motorbike continues with aggression all the way through his tackle against Lever, and the AFL call him the "good guy".

If they are going to go with "good guy" adjudications, then they need stats for positive duty of care actions. These stats could reduce fines and occasionally suspensions. The effect would be that sporting actions may save them money.and so incentivise care to the opponent.

5 prior offences is not a good guy, it’s a recidivist.

Sparrow copped a week for a much softer sling. Obviously not a good guy.

I have never liked Gleeson’s findings and reasons, that change continuously.

8 hours ago, layzie said:

The 'good bloke' defence is alive and well in the AFL.

And he didn't even bring Lever flowers and a bottle of wine 🙄

Jeff Gleeson KC AFL Tribunal Chair

FWIW

A brief browse of the internet shows 

1. Senior counsel for Racing Victoria during the Cobalt positive saga. 
Racing Victoria was widely criticised for it’s handling of the long running matter.

2. Independent Commissioner for the ‘Melbourne Response’. A scheme set up by the Catholic archdiocese to compensate victims of sexual abuse. 
The Melbourne Response was “criticised by the Royal Commission”

Oh, and allegedly he is a Collingwood supporter.

Edited April 18, 2024Apr 18 by Abyssal

18 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Andrew Dillon -

“There were, from the Tribunal chair, there were a number of compelling circumstances and they were first of all that he pled guilty, second of all the number of games he's played without suspension, thirdly that the player didn't suffer an injury and the fourth one was that it was at the lower end of careless.”

We are now grading gradings. Comedy gold.

So, if you haven’t been suspended, even if fined multiple times for striking, you can never be suspended??  Dill is just as bad as Gill, and Christian and Gleason for that matter. 

11 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Can’t wait until the day when the AFL has to try and defend itself (and it’s joke of a tribunal decision making processes) against aggrieved former / current players in a real court of law. It’s just a matter of time.

My grapevine says that it is already well in process. 

19 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Can’t wait until the day when the AFL has to try and defend itself (and it’s joke of a tribunal decision making processes) against aggrieved former / current players in a real court of law. It’s just a matter of time.

i would enjoy having maynard on the stand under oath and asking if he intended to hurt people during that game and if he did all he could to exercise his duty of care to other players

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

i would enjoy having maynard on the stand under oath and asking if he intended to hurt people during that game and if he did all he could to exercise his duty of care to other players

Skunkhead wouldn’t care about oaths!

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

i would enjoy having maynard on the stand under oath and asking if he intended to hurt people during that game and if he did all he could to exercise his duty of care to other players

He's probably told himself this and convinced himself it's true so he can live with the fact he ended a blokes career and one who I think he knows relatively well.

On 18/04/2024 at 11:07, kev martin said:

Looking at the replay of the Lever incident and the rap he is getting, having relaxed his body and bounced his head in the action. 

Motorbike pins Lever's arms, lifts his legs off the ground, slings his body round so as to get momentum and drives, as his head bounces off the ground. Lever was focused on the faux handball attempt, so he doesn't get freed against.

I am amazed by some commentary that Lever, made it easy and exaggerated the look of it.

Wow, then Dunkley gets a take on the matter, victim blaming.

The Lions are really building the MFC hate towards them.

Yep, Tim Watson at the end of this clip going soft on Cameron and the AFL by saying Lever might have jumped off the ground and deliberately drove his own head into the ground....

While standing there with Selwood

It's like the "Gus must have veered into Maynard's shoulder" BS.

I'm so sick of our media treatment and treatment at the tribunal

I think the large majority really don't like our club.

There's bias everywhere 

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/PAouQ48ozBjRbox5/?mibextid=oFDknk

15 hours ago, Abyssal said:

Jeff Gleeson KC AFL Tribunal Chair

FWIW

A brief browse of the internet shows 

1. Senior counsel for Racing Victoria during the Cobalt positive saga. 
Racing Victoria was widely criticised for it’s handling of the long running matter.

2. Independent Commissioner for the ‘Melbourne Response’. A scheme set up by the Catholic archdiocese to compensate victims of sexual abuse. 
The Melbourne Response was “criticised by the Royal Commission”

Oh, and allegedly he is a Collingwood supporter.

Is he connected with Uni Blacks?

On 19/04/2024 at 09:19, DistrACTION Jackson said:

He's probably told himself this and convinced himself it's true so he can live with the fact he ended a blokes career and one who I think he knows relatively well.

The more I reflect on that game, I feel we would have won if Gus was not knocked out. It was a very close score and it's not unreasonable to believe being a quality player down would have changed things were it not the case. 

Plus the fact one innocent player can't play anymore. To let that offender play in the Gf was a very poor effort and so very wrong.

Edited April 21, 2024Apr 21 by leave it to deever

29 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

The more I reflect on that game, I feel we would have won if Gus was knocked out. It was a very close score and it's not unreasonable to believe being a quality player down would have changed things were it not the case. 

Plus the fact one innocent player can't play anymore. To let that offender play in the Gf was a very poor effort and so very wrong.

Experienced player averaging 30 possies, gone in first few minutes, replaced by a rookie player who got a few meaningless possies.

Players in shock for at least a quarter.

One fresh player down for nearly the whole game.

We lost by 7 points.

Yes you could argue strongly that hit cost us the game and possibly a flag. Most thought the winner of that game would win the flag.

Barrass looking at a week for a sling tackle

but apparently he is a nice chap so should be fine?