Hunt bombed the footy at every opportunity, not unlike a lot of our players, but as an outside player that really limited him and dulled his weapons. He was also not a particularly smart footballer. Windsor is a smarter player and while I agree his disposal hurts him he does actually attempt to hit more dangerous kicks that Hunt never really did.

I mostly blame Goodwin for Windsor's drop in form this year. Experimenting with positions is fine but Windsor really provides nothing in the backline. Failing a return to the wing I'd honestly rather he be playing at Casey learning how to become a full time mid.

16 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Deriding Hunt like that is harsh. Hunt was a bloody good kick for goal and could do some good things on the burst as well. Take a look at that last few minutes of the game against Carlton a few years back when him, Kossie and Melky basically won us the game at the death.

Was pretty good Al round in his last year with us and would have been a premiership player bar injury a few games out from finals.

Take a look at the game against GWS in 2021 where he had three chances to win it and mucked them all up. Real peaks and valleys sort of player.

Just now, Deez21 said:

Windsor's kicking isn't just poor, it's diabolical.

I blame the coaches, by moving him to half back, they've nullified all the exciting things he was doing lasty year and brought out the flaws and made them glaringly obvious.

Playing half back you have to be a good kick or we get slammed on the rebound. Running down the wing and kicking inside 50 you can at least set up for. (well good teams can)

Move him back to the midfield, the experiment has not worked.

23 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

Wow we were lauding how good his kicking was last year, but now he is DIABOLICAL !! . wow.

I assume his legs were replaced as all those good kicks are behind him now. Shame.

Not sure who said it was good

He's going at 65% this year, opposed to 67% last year.

Less noticeable entering 50 from the wing than coming out defense, butchering it and getting smashed on the rebound.

but Glad you're okay with that sort of mediocrity, the same poor standards the club has come to accept that means the coach who has taken this list to 15th will be at the helm next year without his position even being up for discussion

On 20/06/2025 at 18:16, dazzledavey36 said:

He displays run.

His kicking is poor. This isn't hard to see.

Right now, its on par with Jayden Hunt who was horrible by foot. Hopefully Windsor can I.prove on that.

I tend to agree with this take. I distinctly remember the player analysis on draft night, which had a question mark caleb's kicking skill. I remember it distinctly because the discussion on kicking was topical on DL and when that graphic came up i thought why are we after him.

*Ill caveat this with human memory being rather flawed and what i actually saw may not marry up with what actually happened.

On 22/06/2025 at 02:35, dazzledavey36 said:

On effective disposal so far in his career hes rated as 'below average' thats including last year.

If someone can find me a less important statistic than disposal efficiency then I'd love to hear it. It doesn't measure how well you kick or handball the ball, it only measures how easy the kick or handball is.

Using this as a metric to measure the quality of a player's disposal is like counting the number of marks to determine how good a player is at marking. They aren't measuring the same thing.

14 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

If someone can find me a less important statistic than disposal efficiency then I'd love to hear it. It doesn't measure how well you kick or handball the ball, it only measures how easy the kick or handball is.

Using this as a metric to measure the quality of a player's disposal is like counting the number of marks to determine how good a player is at marking. They aren't measuring the same thing.

I don't think you can underscore this strongly enough.

Zach Merrett has career disposal efficiency of 71% listed at "average". His kicking efficiency, also "average", is 62%.

Kozzie has "below average" career disposal efficiency of 63% and "below average" kicking efficiency of 56.5%.

Jayden Hunt has "average" career disposal efficiency of 73% and "above average" kicking efficiency of 67%.

Oscar McDonald is "elite" in both categories.

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

I tend to agree with this take. I distinctly remember the player analysis on draft night, which had a question mark caleb's kicking skill. I remember it distinctly because the discussion on kicking was topical on DL and when that graphic came up i thought why are we after him.

*I’ll caveat this with human memory being rather flawed and what i actually saw may not marry up with what actually happened.

Not sure GS_ Zero Hangar - “Football smarts, pace and efficient ball use”, likened to Hugh McCluggage, high praise indeed. My feeling is that The Duke had an injury interrupted pre season and was then sent to half back a position that he is not familiar with and he hasn’t mastered and personally I hope they don’t keep persisting.

I think the other thing to remember is he is often trying to execute kicks at high speeds and while taking on opponents. This would be a directive by the coaches given his speed. You only have to look at two goals he has kicked this year, the first game v GWS and then again vs the Eagles, both on the run from around 50m to see the talent this guy has.

I agree that he should be moved from the backline and used on the wing and through the midfield the rest of the year.

12 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I agree that he should be moved from the backline and used on the wing and through the midfield the rest of the year.

I think this is starting to happen.

Against the Pies, he was subbed into the game and played wing in the last quarter.

Against Port, 5 of his 10 disposals were inside 50 entries which suggests that he played further up the field.

He also needs to increase his disposal count per game. 10 touches (V Port) in 80% TOG isn't great at all. And in 5 of 12 games this year he's failed to tally 15 touches.

3 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I think the other thing to remember is he is often trying to execute kicks at high speeds and while taking on opponents. This would be a directive by the coaches given his speed. You only have to look at two goals he has kicked this year, the first game v GWS and then again vs the Eagles, both on the run from around 50m to see the talent this guy has.

I agree that he should be moved from the backline and used on the wing and through the midfield the rest of the year.

Being a 'good kick' is too broad a phrase. There's the players who are great relieving field kicks who find the target when needed or loop a nice weighted kick giving their man space and time to mark it, then there's the guided missile chest hitters who can land it on a 20c piece. Goal kicking ability is another thing altogether in my view. There have been literally thousands of players who couldn't kick a set shot for peanuts but could hit anyone on the chest and vice versa.

And then to your point, the role and position you play factors into it too.

As mentioned I think he's a reasonable get out of trouble kick but he's probably not the most technically gifted kick going round. Which is no slight on him at all, he can still be everything we think he'll be.

It was interesting to note on his rookieme profile he had made big improvements with his kicking back before he got drafted.

5 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

If someone can find me a less important statistic than disposal efficiency then I'd love to hear it. It doesn't measure how well you kick or handball the ball, it only measures how easy the kick or handball is.

Using this as a metric to measure the quality of a player's disposal is like counting the number of marks to determine how good a player is at marking. They aren't measuring the same thing.

Okay sure.

On the naked eye then, he's a poor kick in general.

Simple as that.

On 24/06/2025 at 08:52, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I know we aren't going well atm, but I think we should all lay off Caleb Windsor.

He's a 2nd year player who was fantastic last year and is struggling a little his second year.... very common occurence.

You may not be familiar with the term discussion.....

2 things!

1: I’ve stated many times on here, our plan at the draft was have 2 live picks in the 1st round while we were in the ‘Premiership window’. That is from JT. JT is of the opinion that you need access to the top 10-15 to draft elite AFL players. We intentionally traded multiple picks in the top ~ 25 to get 2 picks in the 1st round as high as possible.

2: Limited preseason. Playing half back. No form line at Casey. Team getting belted. Played as sub.

How do you tell someone you’re mismanaging a players career without actually saying it? ⬆️

The kid is talented. His kicking needs to improve. But like a lot of kids, he needs to settle into a position that plays to his strength. I think Goody thought Windsor’s run and carry would be the panacea. It’s a lot to throw at a 2nd year player. #mismanaged

Hitting the draft while you’re in the premiership window just isn’t it, stupid line of thinking, how are kids going to give you another crack at it, you need mature agers to improve again.

Anyone have any insight on why we overlooked Curtin for Windsor? Was it just the go-home factor fear after Jackson?

Curtin looks streets ahead of Windsor and his athleticism is unbelievable.

Edited July 6Jul 6 by At the break of Gawn

Windsor looks pretty poor ‘inside’ at Casey

Caleb will be a very good player. He showed plenty last year. Playing him at half back out of necessity has probably stunted his growth a bit, but he's also had injuries to deal with this year. He'll also have learnt a lot from playing in defence, which will be helpful on the wing or in the midfield in 2026 and beyond.

58 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Anyone have any insight on why we overlooked Curtin for Windsor? Was it just the go-home factor fear after Jackson?

Curtin looks streets ahead of Windsor and his athleticism is unbelievable.

Adelaide also offered us the Curtin pick, as part of the Petty deal we knocked back. So we could have had both. Curtin is miles ahead of both, generational player. Good judges were saying he was before draft, and he certainly is.

4 minutes ago, VoiceOfReason said:

Adelaide also offered us the Curtin pick, as part of the Petty deal we knocked back. So we could have had both. Curtin is miles ahead of both, generational player. Good judges were saying he was before draft, and he certainly is.

Curtin looked like a deer in the headlights last year and very much looked a bust.

My view is that a lot of our youth look miles behind the competition because they are part of a side that is critically underperforming.

20 minutes ago, VoiceOfReason said:

Adelaide also offered us the Curtin pick, as part of the Petty deal we knocked back. So we could have had both. Curtin is miles ahead of both, generational player. Good judges were saying he was before draft, and he certainly is.

Don't think this is 100% accurate. Adelaide ended up trading up to the Curtin pick with pick 11 and 15 for 8 and 17 from the Giants.

We probably would have been offered 11 at best which in the end the Giants used on Phoenix Gothard, selected immediately before Kolt. Those others left on the board where Green, Leake and Wilson had we taken 11 for Petty. Unless we where to use 11 and 12 to trade up further, which is more than possible.

Either way we wanted to keep Petty as a key position player who we clearly saw as pivotal for our team structure and age demographic.

Put Leb back on to the wing.

Has a great first year, then gets told by a clueless coach that he’ll be playing in a position that will ruin his confidence and development.

Curtin looks a gun but he’s playing in a top four team which undoubtedly has helped his form

Just as Windsor looked a gun when we were in the top four at the start of 2024

Would Nick Daicos have been the player he’s become if he didn’t walk into a contending Pies outfit?

Rising tides lift all boats

On 22/06/2025 at 19:20, rpfc said:

We’re turning on Caleb? Wow, that was quick.

Langford better get 4 extra possessions next year or he will be a plodder…

Honestly, look no further than our best players as to why we are where we are this year. Suspended to start the year, MIA, out of form, injured, returning from injury, one dimensional, and cannot kick straight in pressure situations.

Make your own matrix from the above but let’s give our young Ute some space.

Same way many turned on Bowey last season and Chandler the previous year.

Amazing what good pre seasons and getting over the 50-80 game mark does to improve a player’s awareness and ability to play at AFL level does.

18 hours ago, demoncat said:

Curtin looks a gun but he’s playing in a top four team which undoubtedly has helped his form

Just as Windsor looked a gun when we were in the top four at the start of 2024

Would Nick Daicos have been the player he’s become if he didn’t walk into a contending Pies outfit?

Rising tides lift all boats

Curtin is a gun