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On 03/11/2023 at 16:49, The heart beats true said:

‘Us vs the world’ is an overly emotional motivation strategy, that worked better with previous generations. These days it seems like coaches take a ‘growth mindset’ mentality, and don’t try and make everything feel so dramatic. They recognise that people get burnt out by feeling like the world is against them - as it begins to become a self fulfilling prophecy.

I think the ‘us vs the world’ mentality is a huge part of the problem for the Bulldogs under Beveridge. There can be less opportunity to find joy in the process.

People also lose motivation by having nothing feel important, which is what happens when every day is just some nebulous search to get better. Having an enemy is powerful. Most of the great things done in history were specifically achieved with a single nameable enemy to overcome.

This demons side plays like one that is extremely bland, and that's due in part to a poorly defined motivating factor. "Winning the flag in front of our home fans" isn't good enough - every club has the same motivation. What's our specific motivator that sets us apart?

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6 hours ago, Chook said:

 

This demons side plays like one that is extremely bland, and that's due in part to a poorly defined motivating factor. "Winning the flag in front of our home fans" isn't good enough - every club has the same motivation. What's our specific motivator that sets us apart?

Some truth to that I feel. The pain of losing 4 consecutive finals and the recent media pile on has to burn and motivate the players.

One of the reasons why Carlton developed an edge in the home straight of this seadon was the burn of being openly ridiculed by opposition players and the media in the horror mid season slump.

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8 hours ago, No. 31 said:

Some truth to that I feel. The pain of losing 4 consecutive finals and the recent media pile on has to burn and motivate the players.

One of the reasons why Carlton developed an edge in the home straight of this seadon was the burn of being openly ridiculed by opposition players and the media in the horror mid season slump.

The blues also just got v lucky didn’t they. a ridiculous number of Finger tip touches ( or lack of them) going their way, missed kicks by the opposition ( Eg viney) and keeping concussed players illegally on the ground all conspired to get  them a good finish.  We, in some weird equal and opposite $hitfull measure, were SO  unlucky. eg devastating late season injuries , suspensions, missed goals in finals , umpiring decisions. 

Perhaps “ the burn” you describe can bring some magic back into our luck factor? Despite the press pile on and all the off field dramas, in reality there was precious little between us and a flag in 23. Mere  inches. So if “burning”  in the off season can seduce the football gods to care about us again or even just lift the bad juju then bring it on. 

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Despite being knocked in straight sets two years in a row the club is performing very well. We really were very unlucky to have lost both finals. The fact is we are a real powerhouse three years in a row and the other clubs and their media lackies are well and truly afraid of us. Were it not so we wouldn't be singled out so much. Looking forward to another very competitive season in 24.

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On 03/11/2023 at 16:53, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Kevin Sheedy, love him or loath him, was the past master of it. 10 premierships at Essendon in 27 years says it all.

He won four flags. 84/85, 93 (fined afterwards for salary cap breaches which taints that flag IMO) and 2000 when some say they should have won three flags.

He was a good motivator but you're over-egging his record

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On 05/11/2023 at 07:55, Wells 11 said:

The blues also just got v lucky didn’t they. a ridiculous number of Finger tip touches ( or lack of them) going their way, missed kicks by the opposition ( Eg viney) and keeping concussed players illegally on the ground all conspired to get  them a good finish.  We, in some weird equal and opposite $hitfull measure, were SO  unlucky. eg devastating late season injuries , suspensions, missed goals in finals , umpiring decisions. 

Perhaps “ the burn” you describe can bring some magic back into our luck factor? Despite the press pile on and all the off field dramas, in reality there was precious little between us and a flag in 23. Mere  inches. So if “burning”  in the off season can seduce the football gods to care about us again or even just lift the bad juju then bring it on. 

Carlton's "good finish" was winning 9 in a row where a loss in any of those matches could have ended finals aspirations then and there. They actually showed a mental toughness that most Carlton supporters thought the players may not actually possess. That achievement wasn't dimished by an iffy call on Caleb Marchbank's "hand of god". The other close calls in the finals were probably all correct.

Agreed that the Dees weren't that far from another flag this year. They could have and should have beaten the Pies because they outplayed them. Woeful kicking for goal cost them against the Blues. The forward line and delivery to it was lacking for most of the season TBH. A midfielder with some polish in kicking into the 50m arc and a quality key forward and the Dees would have swept all before them this year I say.

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On 04/11/2023 at 16:58, Chook said:

People also lose motivation by having nothing feel important, which is what happens when every day is just some nebulous search to get better. Having an enemy is powerful. Most of the great things done in history were specifically achieved with a single nameable enemy to overcome.

This demons side plays like one that is extremely bland, and that's due in part to a poorly defined motivating factor. "Winning the flag in front of our home fans" isn't good enough - every club has the same motivation. What's our specific motivator that sets us apart?

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