On 17/10/2023 at 05:17, bobby1554 said:

Maybe I am missing something, but if WCE are so keen on Curtin, why not just draft him with pick one?

Because Reid is a far superior player, even if he is a flight risk.

The question is, do West Coast prefer 2 top 11 picks, one of which could certainly be Curtin who are they are after, or do they prefer to take the risk on Reid with pick 1.

  On 17/10/2023 at 05:17, bobby1554 said:

Maybe I am missing something, but if WCE are so keen on Curtin, why not just draft him with pick one?

They want more for pick 1, hoping that they still can get Curtin at the traded pick.

  On 17/10/2023 at 05:21, Jaded No More said:

Because Reid is a far superior player, even if he is a flight risk.

The question is, do West Coast prefer 2 top 11 picks, one of which could certainly be Curtin who are they are after, or do they prefer to take the risk on Reid with pick 1.

Sounds to me that they are after 2 picks inside the top 6, one of which would be 2 or 3, so they can almost guarantee getting Curtin and another top 6 pick. In which case, North are the only ones who have the cards. I dont thin 6 and 11 will cut it, especially given they already rejected hawthorns 4 with candy

  On 17/10/2023 at 05:40, bobby1554 said:

Sounds to me that they are after 2 picks inside the top 6, one of which would be 2 or 3, so they can almost guarantee getting Curtin and another top 6 pick. In which case, North are the only ones who have the cards. I dont thin 6 and 11 will cut it, especially given they already rejected hawthorns 4 with candy

Where does the other pick inside the top 6 comes from?

North won’t trade 2 and 3 

  On 17/10/2023 at 05:21, Jaded No More said:

Because Reid is a far superior player, even if he is a flight risk.

The question is, do West Coast prefer 2 top 11 picks, one of which could certainly be Curtin who are they are after, or do they prefer to take the risk on Reid with pick 1.

Yet no one knows if Reid or Curtain will be flight risks. Both have come out and poured water over such claims. In fact Curtain seemed to look forward to potentially living interstate, according to the interview I heard. Not all draftees want to live where they grew up.

I reckon the Reid/Curtain flight risk thing is a myth

Certainly not out of the question by the looks of things.

 

  On 17/10/2023 at 05:13, Edm said:

Can Rayner draft - pick 6 jaiden Stephenson and pick 11 aiden bonar 

Matt Rowell draft pick 6 Fischer mcasey pick 11 sam Flanders 

You don’t really know what your going to get

yeah some super drafts work out alright but I would rather have cam Rayner or Matt Rowell type player 

True you never know what your going to get but in Rayner’s draft Noughton was pick 9, Oscar Allen pick 21 and Sam Taylor pick 28. And in Rowell’s draft Hayden Young pick 7, Serong pick 8, Pickett pick 12 and Will Day pick 13. I would much rather two of those over Rayner or Rowell. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 06:10, Jaded No More said:

Where does the other pick inside the top 6 comes from?

North won’t trade 2 and 3 

Dunno. But if they knocked back 4, future first and Brockman, they ain’t talkin to us! Besides, Lamb has already said he is happy to take 6 and 11 to the draft. We are not getting Reid, fanciful to think we are.

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:30, bobby1554 said:

Dunno. But if they knocked back 4, future first and Brockman, they ain’t talkin to us! Besides, Lamb has already said he is happy to take 6 and 11 to the draft. We are not getting Reid, fanciful to think we are.

Brockman was traded for a packet of peanuts because that’s all he’s worth. Like throwing McAdams in a trade for Petty. 
 

There is nothing stopping us from trading 6, 11 and our future first for pick 1. West Coast need to start filling their list now. Two top 11 picks could be better for them than one plus a future first. Especially if they can get Curtin at 6 who is their main target by all reports. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:28, ANG13 said:

True you never know what your going to get but in Rayner’s draft Noughton was pick 9, Oscar Allen pick 21 and Sam Taylor pick 28. And in Rowell’s draft Hayden Young pick 7, Serong pick 8, Pickett pick 12 and Will Day pick 13. I would much rather two of those over Rayner or Rowell. 

I have a feeling O'Sullivan is going to be a star, but I think Reid will be too, so I'm happy with either. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:32, Jaded No More said:

Brockman was traded for a packet of peanuts because that’s all he’s worth. Like throwing McAdams in a trade for Petty. 
 

There is nothing stopping us from trading 6, 11 and our future first for pick 1. West Coast need to start filling their list now. Two top 11 picks could be better for them than one plus a future first. Especially if they can get Curtin at 6 who is their main target by all reports. 

Yeah maybe, and I hope you are right! Reid is an exceptional young player. But I just think North hold the cards with 5 picks in the first 18.

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:42, Binmans PA said:

I have a feeling O'Sullivan is going to be a star, but I think Reid will be too, so I'm happy with either. 

I am not against recruiting Reid because if the recruiters think he will be a gun then happy to go that way. Particularly with question marks over two of our best midfielders going into next year.  But I also think our list could really do with two top end players. All drafts are important but with where our list is at this one feels super important. 

I personally don’t think WC will trade pic1. The convo gets brought up nearly every trade period and no club has traded it.

It does give the media something to babble on about when nothing much is happening though  

U could knock me over with a feather if it happens. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:28, ANG13 said:

True you never know what your going to get but in Rayner’s draft Noughton was pick 9, Oscar Allen pick 21 and Sam Taylor pick 28. And in Rowell’s draft Hayden Young pick 7, Serong pick 8, Pickett pick 12 and Will Day pick 13. I would much rather two of those over Rayner or Rowell. 

But your just picking out players randomly could easily be no good too.

easy to look back 5 years later and say we should of picked that player.

take less risk out and take certainty’s, but I’m sure tim lamb and team r all over it. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 10:46, DemonOX said:

I personally don’t think WC will trade pic1. The convo gets brought up nearly every trade period and no club has traded it.

It does give the media something to babble on about when nothing much is happening though  

U could knock me over with a feather if it happens. 

GWS traded for it last year.

  On 17/10/2023 at 09:46, bobby1554 said:

Yeah maybe, and I hope you are right! Reid is an exceptional young player. But I just think North hold the cards with 5 picks in the first 18.

Norf like West Coast desperately need to regenerate their list. They need quality but they also really need quantity. We don’t. 
If you believe Tim Lamb, there’s a significant drop off in quality after the first 12 or so players. It’s why I think North won’t want to give away 2 and 3, as it’s as good a hand as 1, and therefore the only chance West Coast have of having multiple picks inside that top 12 is to trade pick one with us. 
Of course they may back themselves in and take pick 1 to the draft and take Reid and hope he doesn’t do a runner. 

  On 17/10/2023 at 10:50, Jaded No More said:

Norf like West Coast desperately need to regenerate their list. They need quality but they also really need quantity. We don’t. 
If you believe Tim Lamb, there’s a significant drop off in quality after the first 12 or so players. It’s why I think North won’t want to give away 2 and 3, as it’s as good a hand as 1, and therefore the only chance West Coast have of having multiple picks inside that top 12 is to trade pick one with us. 
Of course they may back themselves in and take pick 1 to the draft and take Reid and hope he doesn’t do a runner. 

If I’m Brady Rawlings I’m keeping 2 and 3 unless West Coast will take a swap for 2 or 3 plus Zurharr for 1

Then I’m taking Reid and Mckercher. With Sheezel, LDU, Simpkin, Wardlaw and Phillips already in the midfield rotation Reid can cut his teeth in Year 1 as a forward and Mckercher can play more outside 

  On 17/10/2023 at 02:58, Winter Dan said:

Will WCE offer us their first pick 2024 on draft night if Curtin slides to P6 ? 

 

  On 17/10/2023 at 03:19, Gawndy the Great said:

Next years. I would take it in the blink of an eye. WCE are wooden spooners for at least the next two years. 

This is not what we would do - we like fast tracking our restocking - this would be the opposite. We should just take Curtin and get more value for him later or just keep him. Same flight risk as JVR.

I am fine either way but 6, 11 and F1 is definitely what it will take. Imagine if this were the Dees -slide back from the best kid in the draft for ND11? Nah give me another first rounder please.

  On 17/10/2023 at 10:46, DemonOX said:

I personally don’t think WC will trade pic1. The convo gets brought up nearly every trade period and no club has traded it.

It does give the media something to babble on about when nothing much is happening though  

U could knock me over with a feather if it happens. 

GWS traded 3,12 and F2 last year for it last year to get Cadman.

Essendon over paying for that spud McKay may cost us in the end

  On 17/10/2023 at 11:23, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Essendon over paying for that spud McKay may cost us in the end

Yeh they always find a way to fudge things up.

I can't see West Coast giving away pick 1 for pick 6 and 11 the only way they will give it away is they get pick 2 and 3 for him. 2 quality players for 1 and I dont think they would be after Curtin that desperately. They can pick him up at no 1 if they did.

  On 17/10/2023 at 11:10, Pennant St Dee said:

If I’m Brady Rawlings I’m keeping 2 and 3 unless West Coast will take a swap for 2 or 3 plus Zurharr for 1

Then I’m taking Reid and Mckercher. With Sheezel, LDU, Simpkin, Wardlaw and Phillips already in the midfield rotation Reid can cut his teeth in Year 1 as a forward and Mckercher can play more outside 

You have talked me into Curtin. He really looks like Mr. Versatile. Mid, key position, flank. 

If we don't trade up for Reid, I would love to take Curtin and somehow trade up for O'Sullivan.

I wonder what it would take to get GWS's 5 or Cat's 7. Our 11 and F1st.

I would still even look at the Haynes GWS salary dump, if we could get their pick.

We could then trade 11 for a F1 from someone.

  On 17/10/2023 at 12:01, Redleg said:

I wonder what it would take to get GWS's 5 or Cat's 7. Our 11 and F1st.

I don't see any of the other clubs with picks in the top 10 wanting to do a trade unless it was really unbalanced.

  On 17/10/2023 at 11:23, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Essendon over paying for that spud McKay may cost us in the end

Losing our game with Freo is the one that stings the most.