North Melbourne Assistance Package

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

The AFL has just agreed North's Special Assistance Package:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1041604/afl-commission-signs-off-on-north-melbourne-assistance-package

A good outcome I think in general for Melbourne as there had been talk of North getting an extra pick after Pick 10 (following the picks of all 2023 non-finalists), being gifted Ryley Sanders or being able to access Sanders inside the Top 40 using picks as with Gold Coast's Northern Academy players.

What's the view of Demonlanders of the finally agreed Special Aceptance Package? 

[adonski 13,267]

Hope they're all busts

[whatwhat say what 23,855]

it all depends on whether those 2024 end-of-first-round picks are tradeable or not

if they are, then north will jettison them quick smart

because they wouldn't want to suddenly have 7-10 wins next year and lose em; better to use em this year

they're in the box seat to get gc17's pick 4, which means in addition to their own pick and the likely compo pick for mckay they're likely to hold picks 2-4 inclusive at the pointy end of this draft

it's the sort of compensation concession we would've killed for when we were a hot mess on field

[Slartibartfast 18,120]

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

it all depends on whether those 2024 end-of-first-round picks are tradeable or not

if they are, then north will jettison them quick smart

because they wouldn't want to suddenly have 7-10 wins next year and lose em; better to use em this year

they're in the box seat to get gc17's pick 4, which means in addition to their own pick and the likely compo pick for mckay they're likely to hold picks 2-4 inclusive at the pointy end of this draft

it's the sort of compensation concession we would've killed for when we were a hot mess on field

I wonder if the AFL has given them these picks to let them get pick 4 but won't give first round compo for McKay.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

What it means at this stage that Melbourne picks 5, 13, 24, 32, 87 will become 5, 13, 25, 33, 88. Assuming the Ben McKay trade to Essendon happens and North get Free Agency Compensation Pick 3 that will change to 6, 14, 26, 34, 89.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Sydney_Demon

[whatwhat say what 23,855]

3 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I wonder if the AFL has given them these picks to let them get pick 4 but won't give first round compo for McKay.

more likely given them these picks to enable them to get pick 4 but not direct access to riley sanders

[Slartibartfast 18,120]

1 minute ago, Sydney_Demon said:

What it means at this stage that Melbourne picks 5, 13, 24, 32, 87 will become 5, 13, 25, 33, 88. Assuming the Ben McKay trade to Essendon happens and North get Free Agency Compensation Pick 3 that will change to 6, 14, 26, 35, 90.

If I'm right in my previous post then all the bottom teams get to keep their earlier picks which would calm their nerves.

It makes sense and means we get pick 5.

[McQueen 17,867]

19 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

it all depends on whether those 2024 end-of-first-round picks are tradeable or not

if they are, then north will jettison them quick smart

because they wouldn't want to suddenly have 7-10 wins next year and lose em; better to use em this year

they're in the box seat to get gc17's pick 4, which means in addition to their own pick and the likely compo pick for mckay they're likely to hold picks 2-4 inclusive at the pointy end of this draft

it's the sort of compensation concession we would've killed for when we were a hot mess on field

It’s a little ambiguous the article. 
 

No caveats on the picks (but the 2024 picks will be under review from the AFL) post 2024 season based on finishing position?

What have I missed here or has the report missed context?

 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

3 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

it all depends on whether those 2024 end-of-first-round picks are tradeable or not

if they are, then north will jettison them quick smart

because they wouldn't want to suddenly have 7-10 wins next year and lose em; better to use em this year

they're in the box seat to get gc17's pick 4, which means in addition to their own pick and the likely compo pick for mckay they're likely to hold picks 2-4 inclusive at the pointy end of this draft

it's the sort of compensation concession we would've killed for when we were a hot mess on field

Well, I assume they will be tradeable as will this year's pick. The difference between this year and last is they don't have to trade them. Last year their Special Acceptance Package was a 2023 2nd round pick and a 2023 3rd round pick available after their normal picks that had to be traded (currently picks 22 & 41 owned by Fremantle). I agree with you that they'll want to trade those 2024 picks out just in case 2024 is a better-than-expected season. Here's the full statement from the AFL. Nothing in there about having to hang on to the 2024 picks, so don't know what the AFL will do if they're traded out before the 2024 season starts:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1041620/afl-statement-on-north-melbourne-assistance-package

 

1 minute ago, Slartibartfast said:

I wonder if the AFL has given them these picks to let them get pick 4 but won't give first round compo for McKay.

No, this has nothing to do with McKay's compensation pick. Theoretically they're totally unrelated processes and they're treated separately (having said that the free agency compensation process is so opaque and who's to know whether the AFL have factored in an assumed Pick 3 compensation somewhere in their background considerations).

[Jibroni 5,057]

They should have moved to Gold Coast when they had the chance, would have been a good long term option.

It also means they could pick up Gold Coasts Pick 4 and thus Picks 2,3 and 4 once Mckay leaves.  Absolute joke and feel for other clubs trying to rebuild.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Jibroni

[Slartibartfast 18,120]

2 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

No, this has nothing to do with McKay's compensation pick. Theoretically they're totally unrelated processes and they're treated separately (having said that the free agency compensation process is so opaque and who's to know whether the AFL have factored in an assumed Pick 3 compensation somewhere in their background considerations).

This package, if the future end of 1st round picks can be traded will give NM exactly what they and the AFL want and not compromise the other low finishing clubs.  They would have given these picks knowing what they will give NM for McKay.

It's a rather elegant solution.  Of course, I could be quite wrong!

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

28 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I wonder if the AFL has given them these picks to let them get pick 4 but won't give first round compo for McKay.

No, the  AFL will still give them Pick 3. They'll have a riot on their hands from North supporters if they don't because there's no way this package is worth anything like Pick 3! And it's a lot less that what North were seeking. I think we all agree that Pick 3 for Ben McKay is a joke and I'm still at a total loss to understand why free agency compensation picks should slot in straight behind the team's draft pick. Why should he be worth Pick 3 as a North Melbourne player but Pick 19 as a Colingwood player?  It's the same player and I don't think Free Agency Compensation should be yet another factor in equalising the competition and rewarding mediocrity.

24 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

If I'm right in my previous post then all the bottom teams get to keep their earlier picks which would calm their nerves.

It makes sense and means we get pick 5.

All the bottom teams would have kept their earlier picks even if North had got Pick 11. Now all the teams keep their First Round picks. From a Melbourne perspective we get to keep 13 now instead of it being pushed back to 14 so I'm happy. Importantly from a trade perspective, if North had got 11 it would have meant Western Bulldogs 10 wouldn't have slid but our 13 would have.

[Deebauched 1,220]

Geez Norff are getting more picks from Dillon? What if they finish 18 or 17 in 2024. Its highly possible.  Do they get yet another round of top picks. Theyre turning into draft junkies. ffs. Theyre senior list is looking emabarrassing.

Most amusing is Essendon. Why the hell would they want McKay, brother of Harry. sorry, just answered my own question.  Dons are hitting rock bottom next year hopefully. Weideman was a blunder. GWS got Bedford.Eagles got Hunt. Essendon recruiting bog ordinary players.

GOOD   LOL

[Blistering 545]

How can you trade picks that are subject to future review?

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

10 minutes ago, Blistering said:

How can you trade picks that are subject to future review?

I agree. It doesn't make sense but at this stage the AFL hasn't put any restrictions on North trading those picks right now as far as I can see. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,679]

Top 20 picks on list in 2023:

18 GWS
17 Carlton
15 NORTH MELBOURNE
15 Essendon
15 Gold Coast
14 Brisbane
13 Fremantle
13 Melbourne
13 Adelaide
13 Port
12 Sydney
12 Richmond
11 Bulldogs
10 St Kilda
10 Collingwood
10 West Coast
9 Geelong
8 Hawthorn

Plus Kangas set for 6 more by end of 2024 draft🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[Roger Mellie 4,205]

I don't think North will get 3 for McKay. The (AFL) media have done their level best to sell him as a first-round draft pick. Hawks and Dons won't cough up the cash because he's just not good enough. Unless the AFL does some seriously dodgy tinkering to reinvent their offers as worthy of first-round compensation, it won't happen. He either stays at north (offer matched) as they've threatened, or they take what he's worth and get left with eff all KPDs.

Now, they've given them the tools to trade up and get GG's pick or a lovely hand of draft picks this year and next.

[Jibroni 5,057]

33 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

I don't think North will get 3 for McKay. The (AFL) media have done their level best to sell him as a first-round draft pick.

I will walk to China if it does not happen.

Can only hope North does not get Pick 4 otherwise there will be some serious outrage, but the AFL won't care.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,548]

Generous.

You'd imagine West Coast will be getting the same sort of gifts in 12 months time if they have another bottom 2 finish.

[beelzebub 23,392]

This is a total joke..   Scott is right ( for a change )   borders farce and criminal towards rest of comp. 

If the Roos are THAT bad ( and i don't believe they really are ).   but if so...take them out the back paddock and shoot them.

If this is what they're happy to do for this rabble...   just wait til the Devils come in..

[godees 913]

When we were trash and applied for priority picks, pretty sure the AFL considered the compensation we got for Frawley when rejecting the application. I don’t see why this should be any different.

[No10 466]

13 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

I will walk to China if it does not happen.

Can only hope North does not get Pick 4 otherwise there will be some serious outrage, but the AFL won't care.

You’ll be walking.

Frawley is the only vague comparison and the situation at that stage was insane. In no way comparable.

Yes, we both lost a n1 draft recruit. But we then went through years of drafts that were extremely compromised. They’ve had top selections that are making an impact already.

Frawley was a high draft selection (12) and was AA, etc…

Then add to all this, he went to a powerhouse premiership team. That was the BIG PR problem.

AFL House desperately needed to rebalance. And even then, it was all a stretch.

Chris Scott is doing the good work at speaking out. Can’t stand him usually but suddenly he’s a genius.

No chance of p3 for McKay. No way.

[Demon Disciple 12,536]

In Chris Scott’s mind the Cats should’ve got a PP for missing the finals

[McQueen 17,867]

Hahaha.  
 

Chris Scott having a whinge about the AFL draft concessions and manipulation. 
 

Was more than happy to accept Jack Bowes and pick 7 from their little toy project club GCS last year. 
 

Don’t speak with your mouth is full, Chris. 

[Clintosaurus 7,953]

I'd say the assistance picks are concession that McKay compo will be Band 2.