8 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Goodwin has to win the flag next year or has to go. He has let this team become putrid in skills, he thinks contest and tough defence is all.

Hate his phrase "the score will take care of itself" , rubbish!

we are no chance with the current Game plan

38 minutes ago, Kent said:

we are no chance with the current Game plan

What part of the game plan? You mean the kicking at goal game plan? I agree there. We dominated the last two weeks with our game plan, so I’m not really sure why we’d want to move away from it when our list has been built for it and it’s proven (not just by us but previous premiers). I’ll say again, our goal kicking cost us 2023, not our game plan. Recruiting a few more skilful players would help too.

Edited September 15, 20231 yr by Great Northern Summer

4 minutes ago, Great Northern Summer said:

What part of the game plan? You mean the kicking at goal game plan? I agree there. We dominated the last two weeks with our game plan, so I’m not really sure why we’d want to move away from it when our list has been built for it and it’s proven (not just by us but previous premiers). I’ll say again, our goal kicking cost us 2023, not our game plan. Recruiting a few more skilful players would help too.

The game plan to kick to the same spot on the fwd line and on top of players heads. 

We've had 2 years of evidence. 

Max said it's very Melbourne way to lose. 

 Opposition don't even bother defending their direct opponents as they know where the ball is going. 

Simon Goodwin is not a coach. He follows analytics. Don't worry about forward craft and leading and provide options, analytics says kick it to this area so do it 💯 of the time. 

13 minutes ago, jacey said:

The game plan to kick to the same spot on the fwd line and on top of players heads. 

We've had 2 years of evidence. 

Max said it's very Melbourne way to lose. 

 Opposition don't even bother defending their direct opponents as they know where the ball is going. 

Simon Goodwin is not a coach. He follows analytics. Don't worry about forward craft and leading and provide options, analytics says kick it to this area so do it 💯 of the time. 

It isn’t just this game

our woeful attack and terrible conversion has cost multiple games - QF, GWS?, Port?, freo?, may be others

to an extent that’s the players and whatever is going on to cause that but there’s been some bizarre (at least to us) selections and player development last couple of years 

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Umm no.

We needed a totally 100 % fit ruck.... if we only had one.. 

We needed to take Max away from all the ILLEGAL  scragging..   We needed to be clever we weren't.  That's down to the Coaches.  Stafford obviously has nfi.  Why does Goody allow that ?? 

We can't kick for [censored]....thats someone's dept. 

There were elements we did better tonight.

But lost at selection...and direction.

 

I will say... the 2 blokes in yellow should be in the club votes for Carlton. 

 

To all the happy clappers...yeah.. Goodwin is a [censored] genius.

Be proud Simon... grasp it...own it...    

OUT IN SETS 2 YEARS RUNNING 

9.17  fmd... 

 

There is a reason why Goodwin is coaching and your goodself and everyone else on this site to put it simply, are just invisible, anonymous internet posters throwing their two bobs worth in after game results don't result in a win.

We are a very good contested football team, every other side knows that they have to play at their best to defeat us, luck hasn't gone our way over the last couple of months, the list needs a bit of a shake up which obviously is going to happen and we go again next year.

37 minutes ago, jacey said:

The game plan to kick to the same spot on the fwd line and on top of players heads. 

We've had 2 years of evidence. 

Max said it's very Melbourne way to lose. 

 Opposition don't even bother defending their direct opponents as they know where the ball is going. 

Simon Goodwin is not a coach. He follows analytics. Don't worry about forward craft and leading and provide options, analytics says kick it to this area so do it 💯 of the time. 

He does seem to rely on analytics too much

 This year his favourite phrase was "score takes care of itself".

Well, in the end it didn't. For all of our statistical dominance we were sent home in straight sets yet again.

1 hour ago, Great Northern Summer said:

What part of the game plan? You mean the kicking at goal game plan? I agree there. We dominated the last two weeks with our game plan, so I’m not really sure why we’d want to move away from it when our list has been built for it and it’s proven (not just by us but previous premiers). I’ll say again, our goal kicking cost us 2023, not our game plan. Recruiting a few more skilful players would help too.

Just cannot agree with that but thats my view

 

I’ll tell you what I think is insane. It’s insane to say that Max has a broken big toe so we needed ruck cover as the Sub so we picked Josh Schache instead of Grundy. 
 

It must rank as the worst of many bad selection decisions during Simon’s tenure.

Edited September 15, 20231 yr by goodwindees
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You have to design a game plan that matches you players capabilities.  The bottom line is our mids can't hit a target by foot, not just one but our entire midfield group are poor kicks.

 

 

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

There is a reason why Goodwin is coaching and your goodself and everyone else on this site to put it simply, are just invisible, anonymous internet posters throwing their two bobs worth in after game results don't result in a win.

We are a very good contested football team, every other side knows that they have to play at their best to defeat us, luck hasn't gone our way over the last couple of months, the list needs a bit of a shake up which obviously is going to happen and we go again next year.

Luck???? Give us a break Luck has Fall to do with it in my view

 

Unfortunately Goody is 3 points away from being a genius with the mosquito fleet last night, however to watch the team squander shot after shot then see the captain miss two gettable goals and spoil a certain goal was quite frankly a bit mind numbing. Some very getable shots went begging last night. So near and yet so far, much better than the blowout that I half expected.!!!

Do we simply have to many ex-coaches at the club, it destroyed Dean Bailey. 

Agree. Over many years I hate phrases like

"the score will take care of itself"

“we are working in forward 50 connections”

“learnings”

it’s all rubbish!

Madness. The definition is: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different outcome !!!  That’s why Goody is captain crazy imv 

He's a mixed bag.

Didn't activate tge sub after another tmac rubbish game.

Ignored Tommo all year.

Chose Laurie for Pies game.

 

I don’t know if he is insane, but I’ve had the opinion for quite some time that the only thing Goodwin and “genius” have in common are three letters of the alphabet. 

13 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

He's a mixed bag.

Didn't activate tge sub after another tmac rubbish game.

Ignored Tommo all year.

Chose Laurie for Pies game.

 

Tell me another finals coach who would have picked Tmac who is clearly not Afl finals standard & Sache who has done nothing in the 2 games and didn’t use him for fresh legs when T Mac looked cooked whilst we have a 200cm AA ruck & paying him 600k plus to not play .. Goodwin & club néed to explain this disaster!

1 minute ago, Demonsone said:

Tell me another finals coach who would have picked Tmac who is clearly not Afl finals standard & Sache who has done nothing in the 2 games and didn’t use him for fresh legs when T Mac looked cooked whilst we have a 200cm AA ruck & paying him 600k plus to not play .. Goodwin & club néed to explain this disaster!

Rack off Grundy.  

9 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Tell me another finals coach who would have picked Tmac who is clearly not Afl finals standard & Sache who has done nothing in the 2 games and didn’t use him for fresh legs when T Mac looked cooked whilst we have a 200cm AA ruck & paying him 600k plus to not play .. Goodwin & club néed to explain this disaster!

Tmac was cooked 18 months ago but not only did we not replace him, we gifted him game after game after game. Including two finals where he had absolute stinkers again. Pack it in mate, please. Your starting to erase your previous great acts 

Edited September 16, 20231 yr by leave it to deever

I know we lost it last night but the soft frees to Carlton all night and the ones denied to us came straight from the afl script to gift Carlton another final. It's good business. We ain't welcome. We're just minnows. The media hate us too. I know viney stuffed up but he May, Lever and Trac did very well. Smith too.

A lot of passengers again.

Before i ride off into a beautiful Spring day and shutter up Dland until next season I wish to pose a question. And I ask it in all seriousness as I'm increasingly unable to pinpoint the answer.

We DO have elements of a very good game. But elements only. Our defence is stoic. Not much to do there bar find the ongoing replacements. 

Our mids are individually a very talented brigade..   but we lose a lot of clearances ( effectively). Other teams often better at working with our rucks than we are.. Bizarre really.

Our fwd line..  hmmmm.   Yes that forward line.

Then there's the glue that binds...  ball movement.  Occasionally slick, often haphazard and seemingly futile approaching that.....fwd line.

Now.. it would seem to this observer, in the cheap seats,that S.S.Simon is quite content to delegate...to his 'line specialists'  of which it's glaringly obvious some know what they're doing...others not so much.

Now, that question. It may seem glib to some but i ask it as there are so many areas we fall down, there is so much disconnect and uncertainty in scoring structure and application that i continually ask myself how can this be. It all stands out like the proverbial.  It has done for years....and it's still there.

So...

What does Simon Goodwin actually do?

Every now and then you witness a professional AFL player miss a goal that you could have kicked in jeans and Blundstones, a couple of beers deep. 

Why is this? Well that’s an easy one to answer - because of a mental failure  

And the Demons are prolific in these kinds of failures. 

All points to one thing: for all of our physical talent, we are a mentally-weak team. And who is ultimately in charge of “mental fitness”? 

I’ve seen enough social-media clips, interviews and articles to draw the conclusion that Simon Goodwin’s oratory-skills are desperately lacking. I have never heard or read one quote from him that has made me feel sure of his talents in this department. 

Our last two losses were due to poor mental fitness. The lack of composure in the final quarter of the qualifying final, and the brain fades/yips from last night’s match have NOTHING to do with skill, injuries, selection or tactics. They are all to do with not having the mental fortitude to do what should otherwise come naturally. 

Sometimes the difference between failure and success are a few well-placed words. Our coach, and his lexicon of learnings, seems unable to deliver these words to his players. The proof is in the last two inedible puddings that have been dished up to us. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Tell me another finals coach who would have picked Tmac who is clearly not Afl finals standard & Sache who has done nothing in the 2 games and didn’t use him for fresh legs when T Mac looked cooked whilst we have a 200cm AA ruck & paying him 600k plus to not play .. Goodwin & club néed to explain this disaster!

It's because the arrangement that has been made with Grundy's next club includes a no damage clause. If he had been injured last night the deal was off. Maybe a swap of players has been touted...I don't actually know but this seems reasonable to me.

3 hours ago, goodwindees said:

I’ll tell you what I think is insane. It’s insane to say that Max has a broken big toe so we needed ruck cover as the Sub so we picked Josh Schache instead of Grundy. 
 

It must rank as the worst of many bad selection decisions during Simon’s tenure.

And didn’t he learn nothing last year about not playing anyone who wasn’t 100% fit. Take Grundy into this game and we may have had a different result 

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

What does Simon Goodwin actually

Talks the media an awful lot. Too much 

His comments This morning were classic low brow hyperbole

He thinks we are all stupid absolute [censored]