How far away is Matt Jefferson?

[rjay 24,917]

2 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Max was so raw when he was young. Baby giraffes take 6+ years to come good. I’m glad we made the investment. Jefferson should take less time if he is to be something but I think he needs to be 22/3 before his body is ready to take what is coming to him if he plays as a tall in a forward line.

The game I'm talking about was in Max's 2nd year and he beat an experienced Ben Hudson...

Let's see how Jeffo looks next year but I sense a bit of Lucas Cook about him.

Cook showed some nice attributes and does Jeffo but neither seem to take the game on.

His selection may well be the same mistake made in drafting for needs rather than best available.

We will know a lot more next season.

[Redleg 40,901]

9 minutes ago, rjay said:

The game I'm talking about was in Max's 2nd year and he beat an experienced Ben Hudson...

Let's see how Jeffo looks next year but I sense a bit of Lucas Cook about him.

Cook showed some nice attributes and does Jeffo but neither seem to take the game on.

His selection may well be the same mistake made in drafting for needs rather than best available.

We will know a lot more next season.

Lucas Cook was sooking it up at his first training session with us.

Jeffo had a stinker yesterday but I don’t see him as another Lucas Cook.

A recent game where he was moving around the ground, was a very good hint of what is to come and we have already seen examples of his contested marking and accurate kicking for goal.

[rjay 24,917]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Lucas Cook was sooking it up at his first training session with us.

Jeffo had a stinker yesterday but I don’t see him as another Lucas Cook.

A recent game where he was moving around the ground, was a very good hint of what is to come and we have already seen examples of his contested marking and accurate kicking for goal.

I'm not a win or bust on him yet but next year will be the one.

As for the Cook comparison it's that both were selected on needs and both as players are introverted.

So, I'm a hold on Jefferson.

[Demon Disciple 12,120]

1 hour ago, Cheap Seats said:

I mean look at JVR, probably way in front of him in terms of physical development but still has a way to go.

 

Agree completely. MJ is a year behind JVR on age and at least at least another year (I’d say 1-2) behind on him physically. Add those together and he’s a good 2-3 years behind JVR at the moment. He needs time to not only adjust to the speed but the physical side too.

I don’t expect MJ to really be impacting games consistently for another 4/5 years

[kallangurdemon 551]

MJ was never expected to push for selection this season and it was always going to be a year of physical development .

He has been very much a boy playing in a mans comp.He has wonderful hands and positions himself well so there is plenty to work with .Having said that yesterdays effort was lamentable both in effort and output. It was Schachesque. Hopefully that game was just  the outlier and Matt will continue to develop and  gain selection in the second half of next year .

[Diamond_Jim 12,569]

Had some decent games this year. First half of next season should give a better base for assessment.

One concern is that Casey as a team have probably peaked and we will see turnover both of older AFL and VFL players next season. If this occurs how do you assess a forward when the ball is not getting down there. Perhaps some time down back?

[monoccular 17,426]

5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Our forward line next year will be Petty, JVR, Fritsch, Smith, Pickett, Chandler, Spargo, ANB, Laurie, AMW,.....it's very very strong

Our defence will be May, Lever, Rivers, McVee, Turner, Salem, Bowey, Howe, 

Our midfield will be Gawn, Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Brayshaw, Sparrow, Langdon, Hunter, Woewodin,

Add to this list some high draft picks and as long as we can keep Gawn and May on the park or learn to cover them we're in a very strong position.

Do you think Jeremy  will request a trade back to us after we shellack Collingwood on our way to the flag?

Or maybe you mean Howes. 

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

He still requires a few really good-sized steak dinners and months in the gym with weights and other resistance activities to build himself into a man-mountain. He certainly needs physical development and some pace (muscle pace like Tracca, Peter Moore, Neitz) and he certainly has the smarts and skills to take the big marks and line up the sticks; but, he needs some more mass to get in there with confidence. It will come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So, more of a TMCD than a BBB!🙄

[samcantstandya 1,045]

4 hours ago, Wizard of Koz said:

I reckon Andy M-W will be next years McVee or 21's Petty 

I reckon you are on the money. AMW needs another pre-season to build his tank so he can get to more contests. I'd be saying to him play well next year and we'll upgrade you to the senior list in 25 and join McVee.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

I'm not a win or bust on him yet but next year will be the one.

As for the Cook comparison it's that both were selected on needs and both as players are introverted.

So, I'm a hold on Jefferson.

It won't be next year, more likely 2025.

[rjay 24,917]

14 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It won't be next year, more likely 2025.

I think we will have a good idea next year...

I'm not expecting him to make the senior team, great if he does but he should show enough at VFL level in 2024 to know if we've made a good investment.

[samcantstandya 1,045]

14 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think we will have a good idea next year...

I'm not expecting him to make the senior team, great if he does but he should show enough at VFL level in 2024 to know if we've made a good investment.

He won't play again this year. Let he have some R&R then chuck him in the gym and get him building up his tank.

[SPC 3,549]

Can intensity be trained? 

[Bystander 903]

6 hours ago, sue said:

Not a good day for him, but the ball was up the other end most of the day.  Hard to get into it in the circustances.

Steele kicked 5.

[Bystander 903]

48 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

He won't play again this year. Let he have some R&R then chuck him in the gym and get him building up his tank.

I would send him up to Darwin this calendar year for a few games. He can take Kye Turner and Faris White with him. Plus a trainer. They could all use a few games.

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

22 minutes ago, SPC said:

Can intensity be trained? 

No but maturity and experience can and this is where I hope the penny drops eventually. 

[jnrmac 20,060]

23 minutes ago, SPC said:

Can intensity be trained? 

You can't teach aggression, intensity and physicality - thats my biggest worry for him

It's innate in players like JVR and Viney.

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

4 hours ago, monoccular said:

Do you think Jeremy  will request a trade back to us after we shellack Collingwood on our way to the flag?

Or maybe you mean Howes. 

So, more of a TMCD than a BBB!🙄

It can only be speculation about the future of this young fella but yes, I would expect that with physical development, he would turn out more like TMac than BBB - and if it increased his confidence to be 'more involved' and 'inspired by movement on the footy field', it could well be an ace up the sleeve, down in the socks and flashed on occasion as a genuine, aspiring asset. It would be interesting to watch such development and to ascertain what the Club have in mind for his footballing future.

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

3 hours ago, Bystander said:

I would send him up to Darwin this calendar year for a few games. He can take Kye Turner and Faris White with him. Plus a trainer. They could all use a few games.

Not a silly idea! Competitive learning, focussed objectives, great classroom for some of the local wizardry. All good.

[Dee-licious 1,949]

Jefferson had a bad games. He’s had a couple of bad games this year. He’s almost had many more good games than bad games. It’s just there was no men’s football this weekend so more people tuned in. 
 

Remember that Howes couldn’t get near it in last years granny. JVR had some quiet games. AMW has had some very quiet games. Its ok. We’ve got a much better team in to help him develop. 

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

14 minutes ago, Dee-licious said:

Jefferson had a bad games. He’s had a couple of bad games this year. He’s almost had many more good games than bad games. It’s just there was no men’s football this weekend so more people tuned in. 
 

Remember that Howes couldn’t get near it in last years granny. JVR had some quiet games. AMW has had some very quiet games. Its ok. We’ve got a much better team in to help him develop. 

Blake Howes also missed significant parts of the season due to injury and was never near full fitness.

Jefferson has played all year.

[deespicable me 1,486]

He reminds me more like a Josh Kennedy from West Coast.

Kennedy is originally from Melbourne but grew up in Northampton, Western Australia. He played football for East Fremantle in the West Australian Football League (WAFL) before being drafted to Carlton with the fourth pick in the 2005 National Draft. After two seasons at Carlton, he was traded to West Coast at the end of the 2007 season as part of a deal involving club captain Chris Judd. Kennedy soon established himself as West Coast's leading key forward. He has led the club goalkicking six times, first in 2011 and then in five consecutive seasons from 2013 onwards. In 2014, he briefly served as acting co-captain following the retirement of Darren Glass. Kennedy won consecutive Coleman Medals in 2015 and 2016 as the league's leading goalkicker, and was runner-up in 2017. He was also named in the All-Australian team in each of those years. In 2022, Kennedy kicked his 700th goal, becoming the first Eagles player to reach the milestone.

This guy was a serious star of the game. Look at the dates from when he was drafted to when he won the clubs goal kicking. 6 years after being drafted. First Coleman in 2015 10 years after being drafted.

Kennedy had skinny legs and a slightly stooped back and a very long reach just like Jefferson. Had similar issues with strength but ended his career with super upper body strength and a massive chest.

Jefferson could become that player.

[monoccular 17,426]

6 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

I reckon you are on the money. AMW needs another pre-season to build his tank so he can get to more contests. I'd be saying to him play well next year and we'll upgrade you to the senior list in 25 and join McVee.

Maybe Judd McVee will introduce AMW to his grandpa whose running training has been instrumental in Judd's fantastic debut season.

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Blake Howes also missed significant parts of the season due to injury and was never near full fitness.

Jefferson has played all year.

I'm sorry @Demonstrative did my comment somehow upset ypu to warrant a facepalm?

[Deeko2 812]

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

You can't teach aggression, intensity and physicality - thats my biggest worry for him

It's innate in players like JVR and Viney.

100% agree with this jnrmac.  I've seen some kids far smaller with a hell of a lot more desire for the contest.  JVR last year was throwing himself at contest after contest leaving me drooling at the thoughts of him being our KPF for the next 12 years. 

In the 4 or 5 games of Jeffo, I have been very very underwhelmed.  You're either born with the competitive streak and aggression and absolute want for the ball or your not.

I just don't see anything other than an occasional nice grab or a nice kick.  

Would love him to prove me wrong and I hope its the case but from what I have seen, I doubt it.

8 hours ago, rjay said:

As for the Cook comparison it's that both were selected on needs and both as players are introverted.

Whilst I agree Lucas was a needs based pick and one we got very wrong, I'm not sure Jefferson was.  

From what I recall, all the draft talk was that he was always going to be a first round pick and predicted to go nearly exactly where he did go.  I don't think we really reached to get him as a needs pick up.

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

11 minutes ago, Deeko2 said:

100% agree with this jnrmac.  I've seen some kids far smaller with a hell of a lot more desire for the contest.  JVR last year was throwing himself at contest after contest leaving me drooling at the thoughts of him being our KPF for the next 12 years. 

In the 4 or 5 games of Jeffo, I have been very very underwhelmed.  You're either born with the competitive streak and aggression and absolute want for the ball or your not.

I just don't see anything other than an occasional nice grab or a nice kick.  

Would love him to prove me wrong and I hope its the case but from what I have seen, I doubt it.

Whilst I agree Lucas was a needs based pick and one we got very wrong, I'm not sure Jefferson was.  

From what I recall, all the draft talk was that he was always going to be a first round pick and predicted to go nearly exactly where he did go.  I don't think we really reached to get him as a needs pick up.

I think this is why I was equally shocked with this selection. 

We know Goody has a love for bringing in recruits who are genuine competitors. Watching his draft highlights and then most games at Casey this year he is far from the competitive animal that the likes of JVR possess when we were watching him last year.

I feel like I've learnt my lesson from writing off McVee last year after watching some underwhelming performances so fingers cross he has a big summer.