PREGAME: Rd 19 vs Adelaide

[Nicko 1,382]

On 7/16/2023 at 3:27 PM, praha said:

Anyone know of the best way to watch in Singapore? Assuming I won't be able to get out to watch it.

I have Foxtel but guessing the app won't work there.

I think you’re in luck!! ABC Australia TV in Singapore is showing the game 

http://www.abcaustralia.net.au/tvguide/print/week/singapore

[leave it to deever 17,511]

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

We're talking about the same mob that played Sat ?? 

They play better at home....and they managed a whole 2 snags after the big break. 

Ill be very surprised if they get close ...

I don't think you can really discount any team this year. Season has and is incredibly even from fith to thirteenth. Even Freo beat us . The blues just knocked off the power so I'm not confident now against any mob. I thought we'd crush gws but nope. Even the Toigs are making a charge for finals. I'm just glad this one is at the G and not at Adelaide where dob are ignored.

[danielE288 779]

I'll unfortunately be in the sky at about 40,000 ft for this one, hoping when I've landed we've cleaned up those crows

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

In:  Tomlinson, AMW

Out:  Petty (managed), Spargo

My opinion counts for not much but from what my eyes have seen of late there's no 'like for like' direct 'in-form' replacement at Casey to take Spargo's place at this point, bar maybe AMW.

However, even though i've mentioned AMW as the in, he probably isn't capable of covering a Spargo type role either being more in the Kozzy mould offensively.

Defensively, well not many can match Kozzy here who is up with the best in the AFL inside 50 and certainly not expecting AMW to bring that on debut etc.

Also do we absolutely need an exact replacement for Spargo if Kozzy's back to playing some minor mid field minutes and possibly bringing a touch of class with the last kick inside 50 out of the middle on odd occasions a la Spargo?  Could we slot AMW in and take the gamble?  It's not like Spargo is in sparkling form eh.

Chandler hasn't bothered the scorer now in 4 AFL matches and his last game with Casey.  He may get the call up, however he certainly hasn't warranted selection (based on form) from what i've witnessed.

Offensively AMW's last two weeks at Casey, in particular his match against GWS, have been noteworthy. 

Spargo's turnovers under not alot of presssure against the Lions were very costly in terms of momentum and at least one resulting in a 12 point turn around.

Yes no harm in making the odd mistakes.  Taking risks should be encouraged, however some of his turnovers weren't risks as such.  More just an inability (at this point in a form sense) to execute the basics expected at this level.

If he can't make the distince at goal from 35 to 40 out and can't kick the ball more than 35 meters to go over-the-top to a free forward for a relatively easy shot on goal, but instead, his kicking so limited it goes straight to the oppo lagging 5 meters behind.... then what does he bring to the table?

Defensively i felt he was right off the pace as well and his opponent paid little respect to him, playing well off him looking for intercept options and in many cases being first to ground balls with Spargo chasing tail.

He's been badly out-of-from since his return vs Collingwood where he was subbed out.  Then dropped to Casey where he showed very little imv (watched his entire Casey match with interest... nothing noteworthy at all on the day to suggest an immediate recall).

Imho we should seriously consider rolling the die here and allow him to try and find some form at Casey over the next few weeks as an in-form Spargo is still a very handy option.

Whether we bring in AMW (not as a like for like as such but more to add to our potential goal kicking power).

Alternatively bring in Scache as the 2nd tall alongside BB & JVR.

Schache can also play a chop out role for Max at CBs.  Leaving him and/or JVR to also share the ruck duties inside 50.

That would take a fair amount of workload off Gawn allowing him to continue focussing on max efforts at CBs when attending and at around ground stoppage work.

Would also take some of the ruck workload off a young Roohey, which might assist his development where he can focus on his KF efforts a little more.

Can Schache make an impact at AFL though and will the FD ever consider him again, even after kicking 8 goals in his last three matches?  Looks unlikely and appears out-of-favour so probably barking up the wrong tree here.

So yeh, very few direct in-form like for like (realistic) replacement options presently available which means Spargo is probably safe for the time being regardless of his form and looks like we will persist in trying to play him into some form at senior level.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[demon3165 2,718]

On 7/16/2023 at 11:56 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

Watched ANB carefully on the replay.

He struck me as one of the few players that took risks with his kicks. Sure some were to one on ones where the other side prevailed and there were a couple of clangers but if those risks aren't taken we go nowhere.

It's not as though we are awash with skilled pin point distributors a la Collingwood

I'm with you on that summation to a point, the trouble with ANB he is not the greatest decision maker in quick moments of a game so I am a divided on whether he should be in the side. 

[Adam The God 30,239]

Surely, if we keep Walker quiet, it'll go a long way to winning this one.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I don't think you can really discount any team this year. Season has and is incredibly even from fith to thirteenth. Even Freo beat us . The blues just knocked off the power so I'm not confident now against any mob. I thought we'd crush gws but nope. Even the Toigs are making a charge for finals. I'm just glad this one is at the G and not at Adelaide where dob are ignored. 

And Adelaide lost to Collingwood by 2 points 3 weeks ago on the MCG. And since Collingwood according to the media are the best team that has ever played in the history of the game and are certainties for the 2023 Premiership that's pretty good form. I do disagree with you though. You can discount 2 teams for the rest of the year: North Melbourne & West Coast. 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

In:  Tomlinson, AMW

Out:  Petty (managed), Spargo

My opinion counts for not much but from what my eyes have seen of late there's no 'like for like' direct 'in-form' replacement at Casey to take Spargo's place at this point, bar maybe AMW.

However, even though i've mentioned AMW as the in, he probably isn't capable of covering a Spargo type role either being more in the Kozzy mould offensively.

Defensively, well not many can match Kozzy here who is up with the best in the AFL inside 50 and certainly not expecting AMW to bring that on debut etc.

Also do we absolutely need an exact replacement for Spargo if Kozzy's back to playing some minor mid field minutes and possibly bringing a touch of class with the last kick inside 50 out of the middle on odd occasions a la Spargo?  Could we slot AMW in and take the gamble?  It's not like Spargo is in sparkling form eh.

Chandler hasn't bothered the scorer now in 4 AFL matches and his last game with Casey.  He may get the call up, however he certainly hasn't warranted selection (based on form) from what i've witnessed.

Offensively AMW's last two weeks at Casey, in particular his match against GWS, have been noteworthy. 

Spargo's turnovers under not alot of presssure against the Lions were very costly in terms of momentum and at least one resulting in a 12 point turn around.

Yes no harm in making the odd mistakes.  Taking risks should be encouraged, however some of his turnovers weren't risks as such.  More just an inability (at this point in a form sense) to execute the basics expected at this level.

If he can't make the distince at goal from 35 to 40 out and can't kick the ball more than 35 meters to go over-the-top to a free forward for a relatively easy shot on goal, but instead, his kicking so limited it goes straight to the oppo lagging 5 meters behind.... then what does he bring to the table?

Defensively i felt he was right off the pace as well and his opponent paid little respect to him, playing well off him looking for intercept options and in many cases being first to ground balls with Spargo chasing tail.

He's been badly out-of-from since his return vs Collingwood where he was subbed out.  Then dropped to Casey where he showed very little imv (watched his entire Casey match with interest... nothing noteworthy at all on the day to suggest an immediate recall).

Imho we should seriously consider rolling the die here and allow him to try and find some form at Casey over the next few weeks as an in-form Spargo is still a very handy option.

Whether we bring in AMW (not as a like for like as such but more to add to our potential goal kicking power).

Alternatively bring in Scache as the 2nd tall alongside BB & JVR.

Schache can also play a chop out role for Max at CBs.  Leaving him and/or JVR to also share the ruck duties inside 50.

That would take a fair amount of workload off Gawn allowing him to continue focussing on max efforts at CBs when attending and at around ground stoppage work.

Would also take some of the ruck workload off a young Roohey, which might assist his development where he can focus on his KF efforts a little more.

Can Schache make an impact at AFL though and will the FD ever consider him again, even after kicking 8 goals in his last three matches?  Looks unlikely and appears out-of-favour so probably barking up the wrong tree here.

So yeh, very few direct in-form like for like (realistic) replacement options presently available which means Spargo is probably safe for the time being regardless of his form and looks like we will persist in trying to play him into some form at senior level.

I would probably bring Bailey Laurie in as I think he's more of a Spargo like-for-like although Andy Moniz-Wakefield probably applies more tackling pressure.

[Macca 16,965]

Petracca has adapted well to his forward/midfield role but IIRC, he spent the 2019 season as our best forward playing as a High Half Forward

In the off-season (2019) the story was that he wanted more midfield minutes

The other part of Petracca forward is that Brayshaw gets his attacking midfielder's role back - slotted straight back in too (on Friday he also played the double role of tagging Neale)

And when Oliver returns Gus will stay in his current role you'd imagine ... with Sparrow & Jordon rotating through to help out Oliver & Viney

If we can get our KPF's firing, we are cooking with gas

[Pates 9,660]

59 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

And Adelaide lost to Collingwood by 2 points 3 weeks ago on the MCG. And since Collingwood according to the media are the best team that has ever played in the history of the game and are certainties for the 2023 Premiership that's pretty good form. I do disagree with you though. You can discount 2 teams for the rest of the year: North Melbourne & West Coast. 

Totally agree with this, we have had at times a habit of winning the big ones and then dropping our standards to lesser teams. We need the Brisbane game to be a launch pad, come in a be professional with all our performances. Do the job. Don't go in thinking "oh we beat Brisbane who are amazing, we should beat Adelaide". 

I would even say North in Tassie is not a straight forward prospect.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Pates

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I would probably bring Bailey Laurie in as I think he's more of a Spargo like-for-like although Andy Moniz-Wakefield probably applies more tackling pressure.

Forgot about Bill thanks SD.

Plays more of a Mid - HF role at Casey but yes could see him coming in for Spargo.

3 goals 4 behinds in his last four outings at Casey.

[layzie 33,796]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Petracca has adapted well to his forward/midfield role but IIRC, he spent the 2019 season as our best forward playing as a High Half Forward

In the off-season (2019) the story was that he wanted more midfield minutes

The other part of Petracca forward is that Brayshaw gets his attacking midfielder's role back - slotted straight back in too (on Friday he also played the double role of tagging Neale)

And when Oliver returns Gus will stay in his current role you'd imagine ... with Sparrow & Jordon rotating through to help out Oliver & Viney

If we can get our KPF's firing, we are cooking with gas

Gus was brilliant on Friday. The irony being that after doing the job on Neale he was somehow free for that last kick to Melksham.

[Macca 16,965]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Gus was brilliant on Friday. The irony being that after doing the job on Neale he was somehow free for that last kick to Melksham.

And with our backline up and going (May, Lever, McVee, Rivers, Bowey, Salem along with a fit Petty and a fit Hibberd) Brayshaw can just play as a pure midfielder

With Petracca forward as well as playing some midfield minutes (or in his old role as a HHF?)

One fit and firing KPF might be enough once Fritsch returns.  Melksham & Petracca the other medium forwards along with Kozzie and another small

A bit like Collingwood's forward line with the mediums?  The form of Melksham suddenly adds a lot more options

We'll play 2 KPF's but one might be used to draw defenders to a pocket or as used as some sort of decoy

With the right set-up we've got weapons everywhere, layz

Not forgetting the return of Clarrie

Exciting times ahead

[layzie 33,796]

4 hours ago, danielE288 said:

I'll unfortunately be in the sky at about 40,000 ft for this one, hoping when I've landed we've cleaned up those crows

Get stuck in and have a go!

[bluey 1,102]

Grundy could play every game for the remainder of the year.

If Gawn is injured.

Already occurred this year.

[Hawny for Gawny 451]

On 7/16/2023 at 12:32 AM, goodwindees said:

Out Petty & Spargo. 
In Tomlinson & Hibberd.

Play Bowey forward instead of Spargo 

While I don't mind the idea of bowey in that position I'd rather keep Bowey where he is playing well and bring Chandler in for Spargo 

[Hawny for Gawny 451]

On 7/16/2023 at 4:54 AM, gOLLy said:

Tomo for Petty

Mc Vee maybe a rest before finals for Hibbo

Smith must be a starter in the 22

McVee to put Rankine in his pocket, after what he did to Charlie I want him on Izak

[Hawny for Gawny 451]

16 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Chandler is fighting young Taj for a spot not Spargo.

We are presently going one tall short in the forward line. When that tall returns whoever he is that's when things get interesting

Disagree, Felt like Taj had more impact than Spargo did therefore Spargs is at the bottom of the small forwards list atm

[Sydee 4,420]

16 hours ago, loges said:

Structure is important imo and he gives us that.

Fair enough but I'll take performance over structure any day. ATM he is only getting selected because we do not have a better tall forward option - more a reflection of our lack of fit talent in that part of the ground than his current form. 

It continues to be our single biggest weakness IMO if we had any of Hawkins, Cameron, McKay, Curnow, Walker, Allen or Larkey we'd probably be premiership favorites.  

I haven't given up on Jefferson but realistically he is at least 2 years away from potentially impacting and never going to be a big strong contest player (more in the Fritta mold). JVR obviously has a bright future but a genuine big strong forward is still a big whole in our list IMO. That is the reason they seem keen to try to reinvent Grundy. 

 

[Demonland 72,176]

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,214]

21 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Can’t see Adelaide bothering us 

I can, they're a good young team who like to move the ball quickly. We should be able to account for them but it won't be easy.

[Kent 2,909]

18 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Fair enough but I'll take performance over structure any day. ATM he is only getting selected because we do not have a better tall forward option - more a reflection of our lack of fit talent in that part of the ground than his current form. 

It continues to be our single biggest weakness IMO if we had any of Hawkins, Cameron, McKay, Curnow, Walker, Allen or Larkey we'd probably be premiership favorites.  

I haven't given up on Jefferson but realistically he is at least 2 years away from potentially impacting and never going to be a big strong contest player (more in the Fritta mold). JVR obviously has a bright future but a genuine big strong forward is still a big whole in our list IMO. That is the reason they seem keen to try to reinvent Grundy. 

 

Carlton went better on the weekend after losing McKay

[Sydee 4,420]

6 minutes ago, Kent said:

Carlton went better on the weekend after losing McKay

And Curnow had 15 disposals, 11 marks and 3 goals 

BB and JVR combined = 14 disposals, 5 marks and 1 goal

Thanks for confirming our key forwards are underperforming.  

[binman 42,920]

26 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

"Suddenly, the Crows are not the inside 50 marking team that they were in the first half of the year, they are losing more 1v1 contests and have lost their accurate touch in front of goal"

Mmm, i wonder what might explain their drop off?

Struggling with 'connection issues', scoring dropping off, losing one on ones, their  elite accuracy strangely gone? Not sure why, but that all sounds very familiar.  

 

In all seriousness, this article makes my point about why it is so ridiculous the footy media don't factor in fatigue into their analysis of where teams are at, PARTICULARLY when trying to explain a seemingly unexpected, difficult to understand, sudden drop off in form and scoring power. 

If the author of that article had at least included the possibility fatigue from loading might be a contributing factor in their form drop off, at least Crows fans (and anyone else for that matter) could choose to consider and/or reject that idea.

And for pete's sake, their head of fitness is Burgess and the dees had exactly the same drop off when he was our fitness guy, so it hardly takes much of leap of journalistic logic to at least speculate about fatigue and loading. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by binman

[Deespicable 2,726]

Adelaide will be dangerous given they must pick off one of their next three - us, Power or Lions at Gabba - to stay in the race.

Assuming they go with their three-pronged attack of Walker, Fogarty and Thilthorpe, then we need a tall defender - so welcome back Tommo. As an aside, selectors decided for the Cats game that Petty's past form on Cameron was more important than Tomlinson's previous win on Hawkins two years earlier before his knee injury - that ultimately forced Tommo out. But Petty's form and injuries mean that this time he not only needs a couple of weeks off to rest his ribs/shoulders, he also needs to find form and confidence in the reserves before coming back just before the finals.

Smith is another good option for Fogarty, but I reckon he's more important as the sub because he can now play either end.

It's been great to see Jordon get a good run the past two games and he deserves to stay until Olly returns and even then he might stay if we can restructure by sending Sparrow or Bowey forward and Angus back.

Ben Brown was handy early last week but looked sore as he ran around in final term. If he's injured, then we can't rush Grundy back in without some form up forward for Casey, but we do have Schache. JVR is a kid, so we have to play him again and again and then send him back for a week or two in VFL. He's our future.

It would be a big call to bring in Moniz-Wakefield on the back of that win, but agree we need to trial him in weeks ahead as he now seems to be playing high-level at VFL. But I can't see it happening this week at the expense of Spargo. As for Chandler fans, just be grateful he got a three-year contract and 14 consecutive games.

Woey deserves another go to see if he can bed down a spot and end our days for four small forwards in our line up. Trac has already shown the value of having big-bodied small forwards crumbing and flying for marks as opposed to the classy but ineffectual smalls. 

So for me, it's OUT: Petty (inj) and possibly Brown (inj). IN: Tomlinson and possibly Schache.