PODCAST: Rd 16 vs GWS

[Demonland 73,266]

Unfortunately there will not be a Podcast dissecting the Demons vs Giants game. I’m currently overseas and the internet where I am is more inaccurate than the Demons. I was barely able to watch the last half of the game and I can only use Demonland when switching over to Data Roaming and half the time it is 3G or Edge speeds. 

Apologies to our listeners but we will be back next week. 

[rpfc 28,832]

Probably best.

[Jibroni 5,025]

Look forward to the next one Andy. Never been so disappointed after watching a live Dees game. It feels like another wasted season.

[monoccular 17,607]

Thanks for all your hard work and as mentioned above maybe best to leave this one alone anyway.   
Hard to pick out many positives and even if it is the cause many or most are a bit over loading.  
Let’s hope we can all celebrate a magnificent return to form with a solid win over the Saints. 
Maybe you were lucky not to have been able to see the full game. 🙄

[KLV 1,768]

Shame. Was looking forward to hearing binner’s extending his theories to explain the loss 

[layzie 34,121]

I'm good with that 

[OhMyDees 1,834]

Safe travels Andy 👍🏻

[buck_nekkid 6,054]

Thanks and happy trails.

hopefully the Dees can get things in order next week and give us some sunshine.

[DeelightfulPlay 2,602]

Enjoy overseas, Andy!

[Fritta and Turner 4,602]

We can only take so much.

[binman 44,174]

The podcast is run by Elon musk this week - which is why it's not working.

Good thing too. That was the most frustrating loss I can recall for a long time.

Our kicking skills were absolutely horrendous.

As were our ball handling skills.

Good lord, we missed Oliver.

[MoeSyzlak 669]

With no outlet for my considerable emotional burden this week, I’m assuming I’ll be able to put in a claim to Demonland to pay for my counsellor expenses?

[Demonland 73,266]

I'll be releasing an extremely short podcast explaining the technical reason for not doing the podcast as well as a brief MFCSS vent. Not all listeners are on Demonland so I thought an explanation was in order.

I've asked my cohosts if they want to contribute a brief diatribe that I can tack on.

If you want to vent and for it to be heard you can call 03 9016 3666 and leave a voicemail and I'll include that too.

[monoccular 17,607]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

I'll be releasing an extremely short podcast explaining the technical reason for not doing the podcast as well as a brief MFCSS vent. Not all listeners are on Demonland so I thought an explanation was in order.

I've asked my cohosts if they want to contribute a brief diatribe that I can tack on.

If you want to vent and for it to be heard you can call 03 9016 3666 and leave a voicemail and I'll include that too.

And you could give us all an update on loading theory 😱😱🤗🤗❤️💙

[Demonland 73,266]

8 minutes ago, monoccular said:

And you could give us all an update on loading theory 😱😱🤗🤗❤️💙

I have no loading theories except to say that any loading issues are only a small piece of the puzzle. 

Our main problem is that we are not skillful enough and waste a lot of opportunities. 

We are in desperate need of a genuine forward coach that understands leading patterns and can sort the mess that is our forward line. 

[Deeoldfart 8,082]

Thanks Andy for letting us know.  Looking forward to the Pod Panel dissecting our win over the Saints next weekend.  At least we won’t be able to blame the wet weather! Enjoy the travels.  Well earned!

[Demonland 73,266]

1 hour ago, Deeoldfart said:

Thanks Andy for letting us know.  Looking forward to the Pod Panel dissecting our win over the Saints next weekend.  At least we won’t be able to blame the wet weather! Enjoy the travels.  Well earned!

Just our luck they’ll open it during the week only for some mechanism to break and it has to remain open during our game and it rains all day. 

[sam6172 141]

I need Binman to make me feel better. Tell me it's all going to be ok. 

A domination everywhere but in front of goals. Surely we see the Melbourne we know is buried in there somewhere next weekend. No rain at Marvel. 

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,892]

[Demonland 73,266]

[The Jackson FIX 3,218]

Poor kicking team noted @binman.  I’m looking at Frit going down as an opportunity to look at some more radical options to fix our forward line efficiency. Will Goodwin experiment or just swap Melk for Frit and hope our kicking woes solve themselves naturally?

[Demonland 73,266]

9 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Poor kicking team noted @binman.  I’m looking at Frit going down as an opportunity to look at some more radical options to fix our forward line efficiency. Will Goodwin experiment or just swap Melk for Frit and hope our kicking woes solve themselves naturally?

1000% Fritta is swapped for Melk. We don’t take risks. 

[layzie 34,121]

With no extended podcast ep I think this is the best week for my question to @binman

Stuck on a desert Island, only a turntable or a CD player available and one album of choice. Go! 

[binman 44,174]

53 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Poor kicking team noted @binman.  I’m looking at Frit going down as an opportunity to look at some more radical options to fix our forward line efficiency. Will Goodwin experiment or just swap Melk for Frit and hope our kicking woes solve themselves naturally?

The thing is with the kicking skills isse, there is no easy fix, and they certainly won't solve themselves naturally (which is not to say we can't try something up forward - but really rhey are pretty limited what they can do. They have after all tried petty and brought Smith)

Goody has built a game style that this list of players  can win flags with.

What's the point of us, say adopting the pies model if we don't have enough players who can reliably hit high risk kicks that model demands.

We went all in on contested ball winners in tracc, oliver, Gus and viney - none of whom who are elite kicks. 

We had Max, a generalation ruck - but just a passable kick, albeit he has really improved his kicking over the journey.

Only two elite kicks, in Watts and Salem, though Wattsy not tough enough, or committed I'm guessing, for goody, so he's soon out. 

And in Salem, we essentialy took him and Hunt, instead of Kelly, who is exactly the sort of plsyer we now need. 

Max, tracc, viney, oliver, gus and salo. Some A grade stars. Contested ball beasts. Bulls. Not much silk.

But, with the exception of salo, often unreliable by foot and only salo an elite kick at the Pendulbury, Sidebottom level. 

That's the foundation goody inherited.

To that he added key the structural players in May, Lever and Langdon he needed to build a premiership team.

But again, all three are ok kicks, but certainly not elite.

In May's case he is elite sometimes- but turns it over way too often in the 20-30 metre range, often under no pressure.

It will take time to bring in some really skilled players to support Max, trac et al - all of whom are locked in on long contracts. 

Taylor has been working on it though. JVR is a terrific kick, nice simple technique, Mcvee is a great in, Laurie is waiting, Howe looks like he has neat skills, and I really like Sestan's kicking - has the knack of balancing up a touch before hitting it.

And Hunter was a good pick up - adding an elite kick straight in to the 22. 

When the weather improves and we get closer to finals, we will increase tge speed of ball movement and transition.

And all things being g equal we look like we did rounds 1-6. More space, more free players ahead of the ball, more movement by hand, riskier corridor kicks leading to better angles  leading lanes openingup etc etc- all of which mitigates the kicking skills issue.

Frustrating, but we're close to playing that sort of ballistic, fast game that everyone loves. Let's just hope it doesn't rain again this year. 

It's also worth remembering that the method goody has built is based on that of the tigers - who also had a pretty average list in terms of kicking skills.

The tigers also built a model to take advantage of the strengths of their list  - and won three flags.

Edited July 3, 2023 by binman

[The Jackson FIX 3,218]

24 minutes ago, binman said:

The thing is with the kicking skills isse, there is no easy fix, and they certainly won't solve themselves naturally (which is not to say we can't try something up forward - but really rhey are pretty limited what they can do. They have after all tried petty and brought Smith)

Goody has built a game style that this list of players  can win flags with.

What's the point of us, say adopting the pies model if we don't have enough players who can reliably hit high risk kicks that model demands.

We went all in on contested ball winners in tracc, oliver, Gus and viney - none of whom who are elite kicks. 

We had Max, a generalation ruck - but just a passable kick, albeit he has really improved his kicking over the journey.

Only two elite kicks, in Watts and Salem, though Wattsy not tough enough, or committed I'm guessing, for goody, so he's soon out. 

And in Salem, we essentialy took him and Hunt, instead of Kelly, who is exactly the sort of plsyer we now need. 

Max, tracc, viney, oliver, gus and salo. Some A grade stars. Contested ball beasts. Bulls. Not much silk.

But, with the exception of salo, often unreliable by foot and only salo an elite kick at the Pendulbury, Sidebottom level. 

That's the foundation goody inherited.

To that he added key the structural players in May, Lever and Langdon he needed to build a premiership team.

But again, all three are ok kicks, but certainly not elite.

In May's case he is elite sometimes- but turns it over way too often in the 20-30 metre range, often under no pressure.

It will take time to bring in some really skilled players to support Max, trac et al - all of whom are locked in on long contracts. 

Taylor has been working on it though. JVR is a terrific kick, nice simple technique, Mcvee is a great in, Laurie is waiting, Howe looks like he has neat skills, and I really like Sestan's kicking - has the knack of balancing up a touch before hitting it.

And Hunter was a good pick up - adding an elite kick straight in to the 22. 

When the weather improves and we get closer to finals, we will increase tge speed of ball movement and transition.

And all things being g equal we look like we did rounds 1-6. More space, more free players ahead of the ball, more movement by hand, riskier corridor kicks leading to better angles  leading lanes openingup etc etc- all of which mitigates the kicking skills issue.

Frustrating, but we're close to playing that sort of ballistic, fast game that everyone loves. Let's just hope it doesn't rain again this year. 

It's also worth remembering that the method goody has built is based on that of the tigers - who also had a pretty average list in terms of kicking skills.

The tigers also built a model to take advantage of the strengths of their list  - and won three flags.

Field kicking issues aside, we have a forward-line game plan that exacerbates our goal-accuracy issues - we deliberately kick to contests with the aim of bringing the ball to ground which means shots on goal consistently come with pressure.

Yes sure, that means we have a better shot at retaining the ball inside 50 for repeat attempts but if the repeat attempts are consistently inaccurate (because of our kicking deficiency x pressure), at what point do we look to change that strategy to at least see if there is another way?  

Or is the answer, we don’t change, we just hope luck swings our way soon?