PREGAME: Rd 10 vs Yartapuulti

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly how I knew you'd answer based on having zero factual information, so you randomly make it up.

Give it rest dazzle. Lots is said on here others don’t agree with. Most let it go. 

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8 hours ago, old dee said:

I don't think a Tassie team is a certainty mono, see the protests today. Stadium or housing? 

Huh? Yeah, because if the Suns and Giants has thought us anything it’s that the AFL loves to backflip on new sides. They announced it, it’s happening, no matter how mean spirited you continue to be about it.

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6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not expecting him to take contested marks, I'm expecting him to compete with the best of his ability. He's 6 foot and had a decent leap in his early days, now he can't get off the ground or put his body on the line. Langdon is listed as a cm shorter and isn't a natural at marking contests at all but will often get a fist in. Aerial ability for a winger is a very handy attribute to be good in, or at least not bad in. Hunter is trending toward the bad when it comes to providing some defensive aerial help.

I never professed to be a fitness expert but I thought it's pretty common knowledge that there's a balance when it comes to maximising endurance without sacrificing speed and power. The fitness staff tailor training and gym loads to not over do players.

Hunter is playing high TOG% which is good for rotations but in combination with what I suspect was a far bigger preseason for him this year than his recent ones at the Dogs is it unreasonable to think he might be far more fatigued in his current role than how he was asked to play the wing at the Dogs? Just being on the MCG compared to Marvel alone would require a lot more kms and more so in the way we get our wings to drop right back compared to the Dogs aggressive up the ground zone.

Someone said he might not be fit enough. From watching the games I said fitness isn't the issue as he won't stop going up and back, but he lacks the pace or confidence to get the ball on the run and keep it moving in the way Langdon does. I don't have to be a fitness expert to see that, it's clear as day from watching it out on the ground. Whether that's a training thing or just the fact that he isn't Langdon (no one else really is) I don't know.

 

Salem is very strong in 1 on 1 marking contests for his size. 

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1 hour ago, Redlagged said:

Overrated because he came from another club? Perhaps the opposite is more accurate. Some strange animosity towards him on this site. Regularly plays well.

No Overrated because people seem to think players from other clubs are better than what had & I’m sorry that l would prefer Harmes Jordon, Laurie & Salem when fit

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4 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

I think that's exactly right. As a result, Petty aint going back even if he has a stinker or two. The game is faster now that teams have adapted to the Stand rule. 

I think it’s more about teams changing to nullify our defensive dominance from 2021. 

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marshall is definitely out with concussion, but will dixon play?

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly how I knew you'd answer based on having zero factual information, so you randomly make it up.

Yeah sorry I’m not part of the MFC fitness team, what a surprisingly revelation 

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in a desperate desire to get around from the yes-he-is-no-he's-not with hunter, pre-empting the 'what are they saying at brougham place' but this stuck out to me on bigfooty:

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Given our extensive injury situation, and the fact that Melbourne are probably a class above us anyway, I won't be shattered with a loss. But if we play the game with a defensive, just minimise the damage, don't even try to score plan, like we did last year I'll spew up.
I want see us go into the game with a plan to attack and win. If it does't come off, so be it, but don't concede defeat before the game even starts, like last year.

 

i think we'll get a very different side to last year

given georgiadies and marshall are definitely out, and dixon possibly too, they might have to bring in hayes to partner lycett and go with finlayson as a forward - funnily enough, i think he's actually their most damaging ruckman, just by dint of his aerobic capacity as much as anything

rozzee, butters, jhf, with boak as the old stager is a pretty handy inside midfield combo, with a fair few rotations that they push through too

it'll be interesting to see if we go with the high level of different options at stoppages or the tried-and-true trio of oliver, petracca, and viney

i suppose trac depends on how his ankle recovers

if petty misses, sideshow bald or plugger mac in to replace?

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3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Do you mean the free kick in front of goal where he was pushed into the legs of a player??

And we’re dropping Fritsch again are we?

What’s the weather like outside?

I’d have to watch the replay but I saw a guy sprawling in to the ground with minimal resistance. 

I would love to drop Fritsch again. His defensive efforts were once again abysmal and the way he goes at the ball in ground contests with one arm just wafting is so far below the team standard it’s not funny. 

He should’ve had 3 shots at goal in the first quarter from very good forward play but he fluffed the marks and then was largely invisible until junk time. He sure did look great when the game was well and truly over though.

I challenge anyone who doesn’t agree with me about how poor Frisch is defensively to get a good seat with a nice aerial view and watch how often his man is the pressure release valve for the other side.

And now I’ll get accused of hating him or some such nonsense. Nothing could be further from the truth. He’s an exceptionally talented forward and I love his skills and strong aerial work. But if he could just get up to AFL standard when the ball is on the deck or with his defending he could go from a very good to a great player. 

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I doubt Brown comes if Petty misses. Goodwin said at his presser during the week that he still needs to work on some things, I assume that to be in the VFL. So either TMac or Smith get that role. Personally would like to see Smith in. If Petracca is rested, then JJ is in the 22. The only changes for mine.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, A F said:

And then you get rebounded on. Our biggest weakness and vulnerability is ground ball.

There's a reason we are going smaller ourselves at the back. We want to be able to rebound off teams ourselves.

The modern game with slingshot turnover footy is not at all conducive to having tall forwards all over the shop. If they don't get it done in the air, it's usually a rebound.

So that’s why you go tall and clunk em. It can go both ways. 

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41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’d have to watch the replay but I saw a guy sprawling in to the ground with minimal resistance. 

I would love to drop Fritsch again. His defensive efforts were once again abysmal and the way he goes at the ball in ground contests with one arm just wafting is so far below the team standard it’s not funny. 

He should’ve had 3 shots at goal in the first quarter from very good forward play but he fluffed the marks and then was largely invisible until junk time. He sure did look great when the game was well and truly over though.

I challenge anyone who doesn’t agree with me about how poor Frisch is defensively to get a good seat with a nice aerial view and watch how often his man is the pressure release valve for the other side.

And now I’ll get accused of hating him or some such nonsense. Nothing could be further from the truth. He’s an exceptionally talented forward and I love his skills and strong aerial work. But if he could just get up to AFL standard when the ball is on the deck or with his defending he could go from a very good to a great player. 

I challenge you DS to name a forward who is better offensively, with his aerial and ground ball combination. 
 

We do not ask Spargo to ruck for obvious reasons. Fritta’s defensive work is not as bad as you say IMO. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Demonsterative

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14 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

I challenge you DC to name a forward who is better offensively, with his aerial and ground ball combination. 
 

We do not ask Spargo to ruck for obvious reasons. Fritta’s defensive work is not as bad as you say IMO. 

Give it a rest demonsterative. Lots is said on here others don't agree with. Most let it go.

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5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Give it a rest demonsterative. Lots is said on here others don't agree with. Most let it go.

I hear you loud and clear Dazzle. I won’t harp on and on about it with DS

Edited May 14, 2023 by Demonsterative

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20 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Give it a rest demonsterative. Lots is said on here others don't agree with. Most let it go.

Yeah, but who will win the internet? 

We must argue until our thumbs bleed!

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Was Tom Jonas cited for his bump on Zurhaar in this footage? Looked careless, high contact and high impact if Zurhaar has indeed got a fractured cheekbone.

Edit: not that I particularly want him cited, but feel less has drawn the ire of the MRO.

Incident at 1.00 minute mark 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Nascent

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15 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Was Tom Jonas cited for his bump on Zurhaar in this footage? Looked careless, high contact and high impact if Zurhaar has indeed got a fractured cheekbone.

Edit: not that I particularly want him cited, but feel less has drawn the ire of the MRO.

Incident at 1.00 minute mark 

Absolutely should have been cited for this. It was a bump which caused a serious injury. The MRO is a complete joke. And Jonas has previous form.

Edited May 14, 2023 by bobby1554

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2 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Absolutely should have been cited for this. It was a bump which caused a serious injury. The MRO is a complete joke.

Tom Jonas should have been cited years ago for fathering Kevin, Joe and Nick.

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3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’d have to watch the replay but I saw a guy sprawling in to the ground with minimal resistance. 

I would love to drop Fritsch again. His defensive efforts were once again abysmal and the way he goes at the ball in ground contests with one arm just wafting is so far below the team standard it’s not funny. 

He should’ve had 3 shots at goal in the first quarter from very good forward play but he fluffed the marks and then was largely invisible until junk time. He sure did look great when the game was well and truly over though.

I challenge anyone who doesn’t agree with me about how poor Frisch is defensively to get a good seat with a nice aerial view and watch how often his man is the pressure release valve for the other side.

And now I’ll get accused of hating him or some such nonsense. Nothing could be further from the truth. He’s an exceptionally talented forward and I love his skills and strong aerial work. But if he could just get up to AFL standard when the ball is on the deck or with his defending he could go from a very good to a great player. 

This was absolutely the case yesterday, but this horse has been flogged and taken to IKEA already.

Edited May 14, 2023 by A F

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My best 44

B: McVee, May, Bowey

HB: Brayshaw, Lever, Rivers

C: Hunter, Oliver, Langdon

HF: Pickett, Petty, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Spargo

FOLL: Gawn, Petracca, Viney

IC: Hibberd, Grundy, Jordon, Chandler

SUB: Harmes

 

Casey

B: D.Smith, D.Turner, Adams

HB: Howes, Tomlinson, Salem

C: Woewodin, Laurie, Steele

HF: Melksham, McDonald, Sestan

F: J.Smith, Brown, Moniz-Wakefield

FOLL: Schache, Harmes, White

IC: Bell, Jefferson, Grey, Munro, 23rd man

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7 hours ago, Demons11 said:

So our forward set up has nothing to do with how many goals we kick? 

That's not what I wrote and you know it.

Our forward line is still a big work in progress. None of our key forwards have cemented a place. We are yet to play 5 of the top 8, having only won against the Dogs in R1. Beating up on cellar dwellers is fools gold

I want to see how we perform against these top 8 sides before being pleased with our forward set up

Edited May 14, 2023 by Stiff Arm

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17 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

That's not what I wrote and you know it.

Our forward line is still a big work in progress. None of our key forwards have cemented a place. We are yet to play 5 of the top 8, having only won against the Dogs in R1. Beating up on cellar dwellers is fools gold

I want to see how we perform against these top 8 sides before being pleased with our forward set up

hard disagree with that bolded section

our key forwards - as opposed to, in some cases, tall forwards - are locked in place at this point in time:

• fritsch - he's our primary key forward
• gawn - when he rotates forward he's vital with his ability to mark / halve the contest
  • grundy - nowhere near as dangerous, but can rotate forward
• van rooyen - we go to him, we get a goal on more than 50% of the occasions
• pickett - he's our best pressure player i50
• chandler - he's our second best pressure player i50
• spargo - he's our best user going i50

that's six key forwards; add in petty as another tall option and we're a) scoring more than any other team and b) spreading our goal kicking beautifully

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7 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

That's not what I wrote and you know it.

Our forward line is still a big work in progress. None of our key forwards have cemented a place. We are yet to play 5 of the top 8, having only won against the Dogs in R1. Beating up on cellar dwellers is fools gold

I want to see how we perform against these top 8 sides before being pleased with our forward set up

I absolutely agree it’s not the finished product and we do need to show it against a top 8 team but at the same time I don’t think a key forward dominating is as important as it use to be.   The fact we have so many options makes us very dangerous 

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Thought I'd get in early. If Petracca is injured and we can't win without him, we're not genuine premiership contenders 🫠

Edited May 14, 2023 by Engorged Onion