On 24/04/2023 at 14:55, A F said:

If I brave the replay,  I noticed it in the third quarter. When we were defending a stationary kicker at half back, for 30m or so, we went 1v1 and behind it we played zone.

 

There were times i thought our zone at HF (the Tige's HB line) was too loose tonight.  Maybe earlier in the game though.  Kozzie in particular.

1 v 1 s ...in the first 30?  Love to see that.  Not saying we didnt.

Would need to brave the replay also. 

Don't think i could handle going back over it as the umps and some of our muck ups left me with alot less hair at the ground already.

Edited April 24, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

  On 24/04/2023 at 15:07, Dr. Gonzo said:

He was getting scragged and pushed under the ball all game. The pushing under the ball will come with strength/positioning but the scragging was bloody frustrating especially when they were paying them down the other end. Same story with Oliver getting a free against him for holding coming out of the centre bounce, that was bloody rich considering he is tackled at every contest before taking possession.

Fair enough Dr.  Half the game's up the other end (from where i sit) so hard to know what the genuine state of play is for 50% of the match in the F50

  On 24/04/2023 at 14:23, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Understatement of the year. 

I still don't understand what the hell they called on Lever on that missed goal by the Tigers. Isn't he free to do whatever he wants as long as he is behind the man on the mark?

Was Allen Jakovic at the G today?

I could be wrong but I believe his name was mentioned during the pre-game entertainment (I think when Sanston was being interviewed by Robbo)

Those post game espresso martinis tasted extra good tonight. Never tire of beating that bunch of NQR's. We weren't great for much of the night but they were playing for their season and we've effectively ended it. 

Had no idea at the game what this 50 was for.

apparently, there is a protected area behind the man on the mark, which Lever enters to give away the 50. 

So, is it like running between the mark, a Richmond player could have entered the restricted area behind the man on the mark?

  On 24/04/2023 at 15:25, ElDiablo14 said:

I still don't understand what the hell they called on Lever on that missed goal by the Tigers. Isn't he free to do whatever he wants as long as he is behind the man on the mark?

Having just read the rest of this thread apparently it has to do with anyone moving that's within a 5 metre radius of the kicker but as Lever wasn't the person standing the mark the decision was mind boggling. You'll be lucky to see it getting paid again this year. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 15:40, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Having just read the rest of this thread apparently it has to do with anyone moving that's within a 5 metre radius of the kicker but as Lever wasn't the person standing the mark the decision was mind boggling. You'll be lucky to see it getting paid again this year. 

There were a couple reversals anyone know what they were for? 

  On 24/04/2023 at 15:40, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Having just read the rest of this thread apparently it has to do with anyone moving that's within a 5 metre radius of the kicker but as Lever wasn't the person standing the mark the decision was mind boggling.

No, It's as simple as the protected area also extends to behind the player manning the mark. 5 metres back, 10 metres either side (so in total a box 5m deep x 20m wide).

If an oppo player enters that (unless to stick with one of the other teams players) it's a 50. Same as the rest of the protected area at any other time.

Here's the picture of the protected area again for people that have missed it.

The "No player can enter this area" is a bit misleading as players of the same team of the player who took the mark CAN enter the protected area. It should say "No player of the opposition can enter this area". I think. I don't know anymore. I've read these rules too many times today and I've confused myself even.

What I do know is that Lever wasn't allowed to. He did and in a way that wasn't subtle.

Edited April 24, 20231 yr by deva5610

  On 24/04/2023 at 16:02, deva5610 said:

No, It's as simple as the protected area also extends to behind the player manning the mark. 5 metres back, 10 metres either side (so in total a box 5m deep x 20m wide).

If an oppo player enters that (unless to stick with one of the other teams players) it's a 50. Same as the rest of the protected area at any other time.

Here's the picture of the protected area again for people that have missed it.

Well when BBB is lining up for goal, you better vacate the MCG. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 12:58, Spargonicus said:

Hardwick: “we know the kind of football that beats Melbourne, we just needed to execute it for longer”

this is what worries me - sides have worked our main strategy out and we don’t have enough different ways to play…and don’t choke sides out like we used to…

don’t get me wrong, I’m enjoying watching our team play strong footy these days, but we’re not our once irresistible selves…

Difficult to take Hardwick's comment seriously. They've lost 3 in a row despite apparently knowing how to beat us. If they can just run a game for longer than 12 quarters maybe they'll execute enough though. Really, tonight should not have been so close but for some (or many) dubious decisions. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 13:18, DEE fence said:

That was a brilliant game, all those dismissing it are not crediting Richmond who really brought the heat. Richmond won the 1st quarter and then our team went to work.

Agree with this. They brought pressure and are a physical team. We had to and did grind through. A really pleasing evening.

Interesting comment by Jordy Lewis in the post match about the rotation of midfielders very Geelong like, saving bodies of the main midfield group for the second half and finals.

Make sense on why we are losing the midfield more that we did last year. 

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Enjoy.

Edited April 24, 20231 yr by deva5610

  On 24/04/2023 at 16:33, deva5610 said:

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Enjoy.

Kade Chandler is very articulate. And he really loves Gus!!!

We just needed two blokes to run in circles outside the protected area to put off the kicker. Simples

  On 24/04/2023 at 20:03, Hellish Inferno said:

We just needed two blokes to run in circles outside the protected area to put off the kicker. Simples

Or two groups of 8 going around the circle in different directions, one group hopping the other doing silly walks in weird syncopated timing

 

 

Edited April 24, 20231 yr by John Demonic

  On 24/04/2023 at 13:40, goodwindees said:

I think Hibberd was our best Defender and after Viney was our second best 4 quarter player.  Tigers brought real tackling and in your face intensity, so a couple of panic disposals resulting in turnovers, in a high turnover game would be expected.   I don’t quite understand the lack of appreciation for Hibberd amongst many on this site. Couldn’t believe that many didn’t have Hibberd in their pre season best 22’s.  

Hibberd was good but I felt for him after the two don't argues in a row from Dusty on his way to snapping truly......how do you train to break the dont argue at this stage in his career?

  On 24/04/2023 at 20:03, Hellish Inferno said:

We just needed two blokes to run in circles outside the protected area to put off the kicker. Simples

Oh wow this just sums up the AFL right now like nothing else.

Just watched the replay/caught up with this thread while you lot slept. Certainly share the collective disdain for the umpires. That non-50 (and likely goal) to ANB and the HTB against Gus when he got boot to ball…dearie me. There has to be an agenda, even if subconscious.

Today was never going to be straightforward against a desperate opponent and on a big stage.  Richmond have had a tough draw and they could yet see off some of our rivals down the stretch. And Freofall of course.

Today was a struggle but we ground out the win when challenged so credit where it’s due.  I’m still buzzing anyway, particularly after last week. 

I thought Sparrow played his best game for the year.

Nibbler was good too.

I was lamenting our fwd line issues but I feel better now after Jvrs fantastic last quarter.

He needs another tall to help out . I don't think it's Petty and its not Tmac.

Grundy has been good but it astounds me that a man his size can take only one mark for the whole game. This stat is no outlier and it's a worrying part of his game.

Pickett needs to stop those specky attempts and get back to crumbing.

Jv is back to his best.

Loving Chandler and Mcvee.

Max makes such a difference.

I know I bang on about the umpiring but it wasn't the soft frees the tigers got time after time, it was the great ammount of frees we should have got but didn't. 

On the rare occasion we received a free, the umps blew the whistle very late, almost as if they didn't want to. Sometimes only after all the players had stopped.  It was an atrocious effort on their part.

It wasn't a pretty game but the Tigers had lost two in a row and threw everything at us. They tackled hard and played fast.  

In the end I think our fitness prevailed. It's interesting that we have won every last quarter this year. Now we just have to work on winning the first and second more often.

 

 

  On 24/04/2023 at 21:07, leave it to deever said:

I thought Sparrow played his best game for the year.

Nibbler was good too.

I was lamenting our fwd line issues but I feel better now after Jvrs fantastic last quarter.

He needs another tall to help out . I don't think it's Petty and its not Tmac.

Grundy has been good but it astounds me that a man his size can take only one mark for the whole game. This stat is no outlier and it's a worrying part of his game.

Pickett needs to stop those specky attempts and get back to crumbing.

Jv is back to his best.

Loving Chandler and Mcvee.

Max makes such a difference.

I know I bang on about the umpiring but it wasn't the soft frees the tigers got time after time, it was the great ammount of frees we should have got but didn't. 

On the rare occasion we received a free, the umps blew the whistle very late, almost as if they didn't want to. Sometimes only after all the players had stopped.  It was an atrocious effort on their part.

It wasn't a pretty game but the Tigers had lost two in a row and threw everything at us. They tackled hard and played fast.  

In the end I think our fitness prevailed. It's interesting that we have won every last quarter this year. Now we just have to work on winning the first and second more often.

 

 

Obviously Max is a better mark than Grundy, but look closely and you'll see Grundy hardly ever loses a hit out, his go is his follow up ground work and centre clearance. Hopefully with more time working with the midfield we can turn that into a huge advantage. We're not capitalising as well as we should at this stage.

  On 24/04/2023 at 21:19, loges said:

Obviously Max is a better mark than Grundy, but look closely and you'll see Grundy hardly ever loses a hit out, his go is his follow up ground work and centre clearance. Hopefully with more time working with the midfield we can turn that into a huge advantage. We're not capitalising as well as we should at this stage.

I'm not faulting Grundys rucking. He's very good.  I also think he's pretty good at ground level. I just think one mark for tge game isn't good from a ruckman. Even with Max out he's struggled taking marks little own contested ones. If he can be more of a successful go to target it would really make a difference. 

Universal truths . . . death, taxes, and many 'Landers who:

1. refuse to acknowledge, appropriately, the good planning and play of the opposition when a game is close
2. are in denial that umpiring has been for decades, and always will be, dodgy, and that that will never change
3. forget that they have no idea of the deep inner workings of a footy club and the plans and strategies players, coaches, game strategists and fitness staff are trying to execute and implement.

Sometimes a broader and deeper perspective can be helpful.