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5 minutes ago, A F said:

Posted this in the Post Game thread, but this is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

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12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

Possibly, although I'm not a huge fan of Gus with ball in hand, but perhaps I should give him greater credit? Who knows? I think we'll see him behind the ball next week anyway and Hunter back on that wing opposite Lingers.

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Just now, A F said:

Possibly, although I'm not a huge fan of Gus with ball in hand, but perhaps I should give him greater credit? Who knows? I think we'll see him behind the ball next week anyway and Hunter back on that wing opposite Lingers.

our backline will need to be rejigged that's for sure

i'd like to see may, lever, tomlinson, salem, brayshaw, rivers, and bowey as the back 7

in an ideal world petty replaces tomlinson once he's recovered

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7 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

our backline will need to be rejigged that's for sure

i'd like to see may, lever, tomlinson, salem, brayshaw, rivers, and bowey as the back 7

in an ideal world petty replaces tomlinson once he's recovered

Yep, agreed.

Tomlinson to McKay, May to Curnow and Lever gets to play interceptor. He'd better be a hell of a lot cleaner next week than he was today though.

All of that said, Rivers has worried me for weeks with ball in hand. He misses targets as much as he hits them.

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31 minutes ago, A F said:

Yep, agreed.

Tomlinson to McKay, May to Curnow and Lever gets to play interceptor. He'd better be a hell of a lot cleaner next week than he was today though.

All of that said, Rivers has worried me for weeks with ball in hand. He misses targets as much as he hits them.

I've been saying for weeks that as good as Rivers has been much of the time, his skill levels by foot are, on a few too many occasions, not even VFL level.

He started the rot today with the first turnover across HB which got them their first goal.

He needs to clean it up or be told not to go for anything by foot from deep in defence and just play the percentages to numbers up the line.

His turnovers are in the worst part of the ground (usually around the arc or just outside) and aren't defendable on the rebound.

Costing us goals, and cheap ones,  every week.

Massive team deflator and momentum killers.

People used to laugh at Frosty, and still do, at some of his mad runs and turnovers resulting in sling shot rebounds and quite often a shot at goal.

Rivers isn't that dissimilar in terms of mucking the good work via turnover too often.

If it was just a rareish occurance and he was improving as the weeks went on fair enough.  I wish that were the case.  Sadly it now appears to be regular part of his game.

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38 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I've been saying for weeks that as good as Rivers has been much of the time, his skill levels by foot are, on a few too many occasions, not even VFL level.

He started the rot today with the first turnover across HB which got them their first goal.

He needs to clean it up or be told not to go for anything by foot from deep in defence and just play the percentages to numbers up the line.

His turnovers are in the worst part of the ground (usually around the arc or just outside) and aren't defendable on the rebound.

Costing us goals, and cheap ones,  every week.

Massive team deflator and momentum killers.

People used to laugh at Frosty, and still do, at some of his mad runs and turnovers resulting in sling shot rebounds and quite often a shot at goal.

Rivers isn't that dissimilar in terms of mucking the good work via turnover too often.

If it was just a rareish occurance and he was improving as the weeks went on fair enough.  I wish that were the case.  Sadly it now appears to be regular part of his game.

I love Rivers as a shut down / intercept defender, even occasionally as a running defender, but I think he's started to chew off far too much with his kicking.

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Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

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Ratings to Rnd 11, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Average Team Rating drops below season 2022 for the first time

Player 2023 Rating 2023 Rank 2022 Rating % Change vs 2022 2022 Rank Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver 5.285 1 5.320 -0.66 1 0
C Petracca 4.836 2 4.456 8.53 2 0
A Brayshaw 3.745 3 3.839 -2.45 5 2
T Rivers 3.736 4 2.423 54.19 18 14
J Jordon > 3.641 5 3.164 15.08 9 4
Jack Viney 3.480 6 3.971 -12.36 3 -3
Steven May 3.242 7 3.971 -18.36 3 -4
A Tomlinson 3.233 8 2.079 55.51 22 14
T Sparrow 3.128 9 2.665 17.37 16 7
L Hunter 3.105 10 - - - -
Ed Langdon 3.039 11 3.109 -2.25 11 0
Jake Bowey 3.027 12 2.856 5.99 13 1
J Harmes 3.001 13 3.082 -2.63 12 -1
B Grundy # 2.907 14 - - - -
Jake Lever 2.890 15 2.703 6.92 14 -1
Max Gawn # < 2.875 16 3.215 -10.58 8 -8
M Hibberd 2.865 17 2.613 9.64 17 0
Alex N-Bullen 2.791 18 2.688 3.83 15 -3
K Pickett 2.731 19 2.118 28.94 21 2
C Salem 2.725 20 3.363 -18.97 7 -13
K Chandler < 2.505 21 - - - -
H Petty # 2.418 22 2.392 1.09 19 -3
J V Rooyen # 2.192 23 - - - -
Judd McVee 2.173 24 - - - -
B Fritsch 2.148 25 1.936 10.95 27 2
T McDonald # 2.038 26 1.939 5.11 26 0
Ben Brown # < 2.033 27 1.759 15.58 29 2
C Spargo 1.934 28 1.981 -2.37 24 -4
J Melksham > 1.437 29 1.947 -26.19 25 -4
B Laurie < * 1.300 30 - - - -
D Turner * 1.075 31 - - - -
Team Rating 65.90   68.89 -4.34    

* Played less than two full matches (in total) - player rating compromised

# Hit outs to advantage not counted

< Subbed Out at least once or more

> Subbed In at least once or more

Stats courtesy of footwire.com

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16 hours ago, A F said:

Posted this in the Post Game thread, but this is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

And we can't when we are fatigued.

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4 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

Two key stats:

- port were 9.3 57 from their set shots and we were 4.7 31

- expected score plus 18

(On expected scored, I could see the boards they take our to show the players. The top line on one of them had: Expected score +15. I hadn't seen that before. Normally the first one is contested possessions or time in forward half)

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On 5/28/2023 at 10:06 AM, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

Thanks for these WOR.

I'm still getting a feel for the website and can't find stats such as the pressure ratings on there, am I looking in the right spot or are these premium stats you do for us DLers? 🙂

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6 hours ago, layzie said:

Thanks for these WOR.

I'm still getting a feel for the website and can't find stats such as the pressure ratings on there, am I looking in the right spot or are these premium stats you do for us DLers? 🙂

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

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On 5/27/2023 at 9:50 PM, whatwhat say what said:

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

Looking at 2022 Gus vs 2023 (putting Rivers in to grab the stats but also an interesting look).

Kicking Efficiency is as good as we can get publicly.  For anyone interested this is defined by Champion Data as....

"The sum of effective short kicks, effective long kicks and effective ground kicks divided by total kicks"

An effective kick is defined as....

"A kick that results in the intended target retaining possession. Does not include kicks that are spoiled by the opposition."

Gone from 67.6% last season to 75% so far this season.

The Choco effect?

Can't be sure but reckon he's had a bit more accuracy with longer kicks this season off HB vs prior seasons?

The possible downside.... averaging 5 less kicks a game and approx 2.5 effective kicks.  Played at HB also (mostly) last season or no??

Rivers has improved his kicking accuracy also it seems.

Season 2022 (averages)

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Season 2023

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Mid Season Review - Goal Averages

Player Games Goal Ave SAG GA % Rank
B Brown 3.0 3 4.3 69.2 1
B Fritsch 10.0 2.2 4.1 53.7 2
K Pickett 9.0 2 3.8 52.9 3
C Petracca 11.0 1.7 2.7 33.3 4
J V Rooyan 9.0 1.6 2.1 73.7 5
K Chandler 10.7 1.4 1.9 71.4 6
T McDonald 6.0 1.3 1.8 72.7 7
C Spargo 7.4 1.1 1.5 75.0 8
J Schache 1.0 1 2 50.0 9
J Melksham 2.2 1 1.8 57.1 9
M Gawn 7.0 0.8 1.6 46.2 11
A Neil-Bullen 11.0 0.7 1.4 53.3 12
B Grundy 11.0 0.7 1.1 66.7 12
T Sparrow 10.0 0.6 0.8 75.0 14
H Petty 7.3 0.5 1.0 50.0 15
J Viney 10.0 0.5 0.8 62.5 15
C Oliver 10.0 0.5 0.7 71.4 15
J Jordon 5.4 0.4 0.8 57.1 18
L Hunter 10.0 0.4 0.5 80.0 18
E Langdon 11.0 0.2 0.9 20.0 20
J Harmes 3.3 0.2 0.8 25.0 20
T Rivers 10.7 0.2 0.6 28.6 20
J Bowey 10.5 0.2 0.3 66.7 20
A Brayshaw 11.0 0 0.2 0.0 24
S May 9.0 0 0.1 0.0 24

SAG = Shots at Goal   GA % = Goal Accuracy (Percentage)

Mid Season Review - Goal Accuracy

Player Games Goal Ave SAG GA % Rank
L Hunter 10.0 0.4 0.5 80.0 1
C Spargo 7.4 1.1 1.5 75.0 2
T Sparrow 10.0 0.6 0.8 75.0 2
J V Rooyan 9.0 1.6 2.1 73.7 4
T McDonald 6.0 1.3 1.8 72.7 5
K Chandler 10.7 1.4 1.9 71.4 6
C Oliver 10.0 0.5 0.7 71.4 6
B Brown 3.0 3 4.3 69.2 8
B Grundy 11.0 0.7 1.1 66.7 9
J Bowey 10.5 0.2 0.3 66.7 9
J Viney 10.0 0.5 0.8 62.5 11
J Melksham 2.2 1 1.8 57.1 12
J Jordon 5.4 0.4 0.8 57.1 12
B Fritsch 10.0 2.2 4.1 53.7 14
A Neil-Bullen 11.0 0.7 1.4 53.3 15
K Pickett 9.0 2 3.8 52.9 16
J Schache 1.0 1 2 50.0 17
H Petty 7.3 0.5 1.0 50.0 17
M Gawn 7.0 0.8 1.6 46.2 19
C Petracca 11.0 1.7 2.7 33.3 20
T Rivers 10.7 0.2 0.6 28.6 21
J Harmes 3.3 0.2 0.8 25.0 22
E Langdon 11.0 0.2 0.9 20.0 23
A Brayshaw 11.0 0 0.2 0.0 24
S May 9.0 0 0.1 0.0 24

 

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17 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

Thanks mate, doing a sterling job!

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Round 12, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Blues

Pretty hard to watch, especially 59 inside 50s for only 61 points, but a win's a win.

Tracc topping the ratings again...

22 effectives @ 69%, 1 contested mark (great to see as he rarely takes them, think this as the one on the arc and he then shot a pass to Chandler directly in front), 2 marks i50, 7 clearances, 3 rebounds, 4 inside 50s, 4 tackles, 9 score involvements, 9 intercepts, 307 meters gained and a goal.  The only blight, a hefty 9 turnovers the most on the night from both teams.

Surprise surprise the Tomo effect!  Lever notching up his best rating for the year, knocking off his 4.150 against the Lions in Rnd 2.  Including a game high 12 intercepts and 8 one percenters (2nd best on the night).

Fritsch posts a season high rating eclipsing his 2.95 against the Eagles in Rnd 4.  We have to go all the way back to Rnd 22, 2021 vs the Crows for a rating higher than this where he posted a 4.375

Let's take a peek...

13 effectives @ 72%, 3 contested marks, 4 marks inside 50, one 1 percenter, 5 inside 50s, 1 tackle, 8 score involvements, 3 intercepts, 397 meters gained (pretty impressive for a guy that usually plays as a fairly deep forward), 2 goals and just the one miserly turnover.

Roohey's highest rating of his short career.  Some of his highlights included 14 effectives @ 87%, 2 contested marks inside 50, 2 tackles inside 50, 3 inside 50s, 6 score involvements, 1 intercept, 268 meters gained and a goal with only 1 turnover.

Player Rating Rank
C Petracca 5.150 1
A Brayshaw 4.650 2
Jake Lever 4.350 3
B Fritsch 3.975 4
Ed Langdon 3.825 5
Jack Viney 3.825 5
J V Rooyen # 3.350 7
S May 3.300 8
C Salem 3.100 9
T Rivers 2.875 10
Judd McVee  2.725 11
T Sparrow 2.650 12
Max Gawn # 2.350 13
A N-Bullen 2.350 13
L Hunter 2.200 15
J Bowey < 54% 2.200 15
K Chandler 2.125 17
A Tomlinson 1.925 18
B Grundy # 1.900 19
C Spargo 1.750 20
Joel Smith 1.150 21
K Pickett 0.800 22
J Harmes > 26% 0.550 23
Team Rating 62.53  
Top 6 25.78  
Bottom 6 9.65  

# Hit outs to advantage not counted

< Subbed out / TOG %

> Subbed in / TOG %

Stats courtesy of footwire.com

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On 5/31/2023 at 4:57 PM, WheeloRatings said:

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

That would be amazing.

Because as structures change given where the ball is (teams may set up in a more attacking fashion for a stoppage clearance inside their own forward half or more defensively in the defensive 50), this would give us a lot better read on the game.

Thanks for all your posts and hard work. 🙏

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1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 12, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Blues

Pretty hard to watch, especially 59 inside 50s for only 61 points, but a win's a win.

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

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5 hours ago, A F said:

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

I'd be curious about the Dee's round by round I50's conceded to opponents.. could you pull that up?

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57 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

I'd be curious about the Dee's round by round I50's conceded to opponents.. could you pull that up?

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

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8 hours ago, A F said:

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

There was a marked change in the way we defended the ground last night in our front half, compared to recent weeks, which no doubt contributed.

Will be interesting to see time in forward half comparisons for this week and prior.

Would be very surprised if that stat doesn't back this up.  Thought we managed to lock it in for longer periods and had more repeat entries than recent weeks.

Pressure was not only higher in general but we played a tighter, up in their face game, from about 30-40 meters out. 

Some zoning of course higher up the field but even that wasn't as loose as we witnessed recently.  Overall increase in pressure (in terms of closing down the oppo...time it takes...not so much pressure acts themselves) from much tighter methods and zoning right from the first bounce.

As ive been harping on for over a year now, the loose fold back zone just doesn't work against anyone except maybe the bottom 4 to 6 clubs.  And even then they're a chance if they have a few decent ball users off HB plus some run & carry.

Not even if it's used in just the odd quarter or so would i toy with this method..... it's that shonkey.  Not sure why Goodwin does.  Madness (until last night).  Maybe if we're 50/60 up in the last and taking foot off the pedal to conserve for following match.  That's the only stage of a match i'd consider using it.

Forward craft (various issues), cohesion between mids / forwards & delivery to them.... still a long way off and needs a ton of work.

I'm not sure that's fixable in season & not sure Stafford's the right man to do so.  Even in the off.

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2 hours ago, A F said:

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

I reckon that shows we were lucky to win vs Richmond. We should have won against Freo last week but we got out of jail against the Tigers.

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3 hours ago, A F said:

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

Found it - Far right is Avg Inside 50's conceded.

As a general comment- this illustrates just how close all teams are ultimately, in how many possessions are conceded, what disposal efficiency looks like, and so forth.

It's a very very tight competition...

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    FEARS by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne’s worst fears about the absence of Max Gawn were realised when it received a shellacking from Fremantle’s ruckmen Sean Darcy and Luke Jackson who dominated the hit out tally in their game at Optus Stadium on Sunday by a massive 47 to 19. As a result, the 50-point deficit at the end of the game proved to be a loss that was long foreseen that was two years in the making and demonstrated a complete lack of hindsight and planning from the club. To add insult to injury, Jackson was a D

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    PREGAME: Rd 20 vs GWS

    The Demons return to the MCG in Round 20 to take on the GWS Giants and will be hoping the injured Captain Max Gawn is fit to return to his role in the ruck as their season is slipping away. Who comes in and who comes out?

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    PODCAST: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 22nd July @ 7:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demonsl oss at Optus Stadium against the Dockers in the Round 19. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & C

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    VOTES: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    The injured Max Gawn has a considerable lead over the injured reigning champion Christian Petracca in the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Jack Viney, Alex Neal-Bullen & Steven May make up the Top 5. Your votes for the loss against the Dockers. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

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    POSTGAME: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    The Demons were once again outclassed, outplayed and outcoached by the Fremantle Dockers in 2024 ultimately going down by 50 points at Optus Stadium in Perth as they plummet to tenth on the ladder.

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    RAIN CHECK by Whispering Jack

    The Frankston Dolphins broke a run of six straight losses against their neighbours, the Casey Demons and kept their hopes for a long-awaited return to the VFL finals alive with a 27 point victory over at Kinetic Stadium. Casey was welcomed to the Peninsula by grey skies, heavy rain and angry seas with threatening white-capped waves whipped up by gale force winds. After a slow start in the opening term when they failed to take advantage of the breeze, it appeared that the Demons had decided

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    GAMEDAY: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    It's Game Day and the Demons have a golden opportunity to stamp their 2024 finals credentials as well as make amends for their disastrous first meeting against the Dockers earlier in the season when they take on Fremantle at Optus Stadium.

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    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    DEMONLAND - Good evening, Demon fans and welcome back to the Demonland 2024 Grand Final Podcast ... before we took that last phone call from a Demonlander, we were discussing how the club overcame it’s midseason slump, the season-ending injury to Christian Petracca and the loss for a brief period of skipper Max Gawn due to a  crack to the base of his right fibula, to slowly surge up the ladder turning our detractors into believers and how it ended the year triumphant in the finals with our capta

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    EARLY BIRDS by KC from Casey

    Wet, slippery conditions and threatening rainfalls greeted the VFL Bombers at the end of their long journey southeast of the big city on Sunday. The threatening weather combined with the fact that neither side had realistic prospects of advancing to action in September, meant that spectators gathered at a cold Casey Fields weren’t expecting a classic exhibition of football. Nor did they get one. Instead they were presented with a dour struggle that never reached great heights. It was a

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    PODCAST: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

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    FEARS by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne’s worst fears about the absence of Max Gawn were realised when it received a shellacking from Fremantle’s ruckmen Sean Darcy and Luke Jackson who dominated the hit out tally in their game at Optus Stadium on Sunday by a massive 47 to 19 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | July 22

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    POSTGAME: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    The Demons were once again outclassed, outplayed and outcoached by the Fremantle Dockers in 2024 ultimately going down by 50 points at Optus Stadium in Perth as they plummet to tenth on the ladder ...READ MORE

    Demonland | July 21

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    VOTES: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    The injured Max Gawn has a considerable lead over the injured reigning champion Christian Petracca in the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Jack Viney, Alex Neal-Bullen & Steven May make up the Top 5. Your votes for the loss against the Dockers. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | July 21

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    PREGAME: Rd 20 vs GWS

    The Demons return to the MCG in Round 20 to take on the GWS Giants and will be hoping the injured Captain Max Gawn is fit to return to his role in the ruck as their season is slipping away. Who comes in and who comes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | July 21

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    GAMEDAY: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

    It's Game Day and the Demons have a golden opportunity to stamp their 2024 finals credentials as well as make amends for their disastrous first meeting against the Dockers earlier in the season when they take on Fremantle at Optus Stadium ... READ MORE

    Demonland | July 21

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    RAIN CHECK by Whispering Jack

    The Frankston Dolphins broke a run of six straight losses against their neighbours, the Casey Demons and kept their hopes for a long-awaited return to the VFL finals alive with a 27 point victory over at Kinetic Stadium ... READ MORE

    Demonland | July 21

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    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Good evening, Demon fans and welcome back to the Demonland 2024 Grand Final Podcast ... before we took that last phone call from a Demonlander, we were discussing how the club overcame it’s midseason slump, the season-ending injury to Christian Petracca and the loss for a brief period of skipper Max Gawn to slowly surge up the ladder turning our detractors into believers ... READ MORE

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