Jump to content

  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


2023 List and Contract Details


Lucifers Hero

Recommended Posts

On 2/10/2023 at 5:55 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

Updated for Steven May's contract renewal to end of 2025.

image.png.404b766a72648d9c866868a15effb3eb.png

Another key pillar locked away.

Kozzie next, please!

Re-signings in priority order:
 

1. Pickett

2. Rivers

3. Chandler 

4. ANB

5. Jordon

Easy: Woey

Retire: Hibberd, Melksham

Delist: Dunstan

If JJ isn’t signed up then I don’t lose much sleep tbh.

Chandler is emerging and ANB is a crucial role player.

Pickett and Rivers are the next generation mids that complement our bulls and we need to keep them if we want to stay at the top.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Re-signings in priority order:
 

1. Pickett

2. Rivers

3. Chandler 

4. ANB

5. Jordon

Easy: Woey

Retire: Hibberd, Melksham

Delist: Dunstan

If JJ isn’t signed up then I don’t lose much sleep tbh.

Chandler is emerging and ANB is a crucial role player.

Pickett and Rivers are the next generation mids that complement our bulls and we need to keep them if we want to stay at the top.

We think alike rpfc!

Buried in the op at the top of this thread were my thoughts 6 months ago:

On 11/30/2022 at 8:59 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

In terms of 2023 contract renewals the potential outcomes are:

  • Retirements:  Hibberd, Melksham
  • Non-renewals:  Dunstan
  • Trades if requested:  Jordon, Neal Bullen.  Note:  Both are Unrestricted FA's so they could go to a club of their choice and we take the AFL compensation pick.
  • New contracts for most of the other players, particularly Rivers.
  • The special one is Kozzie's signature, hopefully sooner than later for 4 years ie his FA year (or longer) but would settle for 2 years.

My thoughts haven't changed much since.  Like you Kozzie and Rivers are still my priorities.  I would now add Chandler to that list, especially if we lose Kozzie.

What might help the OOC players is that Harmes and Tomlinson (OOC 2024) explored  options last year and might do so again.  It would be a shame if we lost them, JJ or ANB but realistically we have or are training the replacements.  And if they get regular games or better money good on them as it would be the only reason they would leave.  I'm pleased for Hunt, Baker, Bedford and Weideman who are getting regular senior games at their new clubs.

So I'm now fairly pragmatic about loosing players.  It hurt me deeply to lose my =#1 fave, Hunt but deep down, I knew it was for the best.  We need to keep making room for the talent coming through and only a handful of players are 'non-tradeable'.  And we have a great draft hand this year to use at the draft or trade in high end talent so we need to shed players each year.

We no longer have players who aren't AFL standard so the players we lose won't be delistings but we need to move players on and trades are the most likely way to turn over 5 to 8 players each year.

Edited by Lucifers Hero
  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 4/10/2023 at 8:38 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

So I'm now fairly pragmatic about loosing players.  It hurt me deeply to lose my =#1 fave, Hunt but deep down, I knew it was for the best.  We need to keep making room for the talent coming through and only a handful of players are 'non-tradeable'.  And we have a great draft hand this year to use at the draft or trade in high end talent so we need to shed players each year.

We no longer have players who aren't AFL standard so the players we lose won't be delistings but we need to move players on and trades are the most likely way to turn over 5 to 8 players each year.

I think the majority would agree with your comments LH here.  Especially about Hunt.  I was sad to see him go as he's always been a favourite but can understand that some mid range players need to be released in order to keep the high en talent.

I do think another player will need to make way this year if we are to have the funds for re-signing Rivers and Kozzy.  Rivers will get a nice little pay increase that's deserved.

As for Kozzy, just pay him whatever he needs as he really is an incredible talent.  There are few in the comp who can just create something from nothing whether its a freakish goal, run down chase or clearance in heavy traffic.  I actually think he is nearly our most valuable player and if he gets through the rest of the season, should end up with 50 odd goals.

I wouldn't be surprised if we let Jordon go.  I think everyone rates him enough and he is also appealing enough to other clubs.  The extra few $$ we'd save in freeing up his salary cap is definitely worth it and he may net us a further upgrade on a pick with an already strong 2023 draft hand.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

For me free agency has taken away being committed to having fav players. Invest all this emotion and excitement watching your favourite player run around for them to get a better deal elsewhere and leave at the drop of a hat now it is more about supporting the team than individuals.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

I think the majority would agree with your comments LH here.  Especially about Hunt.  I was sad to see him go as he's always been a favourite but can understand that some mid range players need to be released in order to keep the high en talent.

I do think another player will need to make way this year if we are to have the funds for re-signing Rivers and Kozzy.  Rivers will get a nice little pay increase that's deserved.

As for Kozzy, just pay him whatever he needs as he really is an incredible talent.  There are few in the comp who can just create something from nothing whether its a freakish goal, run down chase or clearance in heavy traffic.  I actually think he is nearly our most valuable player and if he gets through the rest of the season, should end up with 50 odd goals.

I wouldn't be surprised if we let Jordon go.  I think everyone rates him enough and he is also appealing enough to other clubs.  The extra few $$ we'd save in freeing up his salary cap is definitely worth it and he may net us a further upgrade on a pick with an already strong 2023 draft hand.

On the JJ part, the club have offered him a contract and doesn’t want him going anywhere, Jj is the one who has parked to talks. Melboutne would have  him signed tomorrow if they could. He is also a free agent as he was delisted after 2020 and put onto the rookie list. Won’t net us anything more than a third rounder that we probably won’t even use.  

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, 12345_54321 said:

On the JJ part, the club have offered him a contract and doesn’t want him going anywhere, Jj is the one who has parked to talks. Melboutne would have  him signed tomorrow if they could. He is also a free agent as he was delisted after 2020 and put onto the rookie list. Won’t net us anything more than a third rounder that we probably won’t even use.  

I wonder what the offer looks like if he hasn't accepted it yet.  

I'm a fan of the kid and happy for him to stay but he's clearly too good a player to be a teams 23rd-25th player picked each week.  I'm sure the offer in terms of $$ and term would be based on the standard 'depth' player which I can't imagine being super exciting.  Within our squad at present, this is all he really is.

I'd imagine our high end 2023 draft picks will see us going best available which is usually midfielders which if we pick up another 2 decent mids here, plus the continued expected improvement in Laurie/Howes/AMZ in the twos and obvious excitement around Kozzy and Rivers going through the centre, I'm not sure where JJ sits.

The other one is Harmes who I am sure will be back soon. 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Deeko2 said:

I wonder what the offer looks like if he hasn't accepted it yet.  

I'm a fan of the kid and happy for him to stay but he's clearly too good a player to be a teams 23rd-25th player picked each week.  I'm sure the offer in terms of $$ and term would be based on the standard 'depth' player which I can't imagine being super exciting.  Within our squad at present, this is all he really is.

I'd imagine our high end 2023 draft picks will see us going best available which is usually midfielders which if we pick up another 2 decent mids here, plus the continued expected improvement in Laurie/Howes/AMZ in the twos and obvious excitement around Kozzy and Rivers going through the centre, I'm not sure where JJ sits.

The other one is Harmes who I am sure will be back soon. 

 

JJ would accept the terms if he was cemented in the teams but he’s been on the periphery in preseason and at the start of the season. He knows other clubs are watching him with keen interest. Unless he’s playing in the team, he won’t wait around when he knows there’s at least 4 other clubs willing to offer him better deals where he will play weekly. I understand where and why he is coming from that side. Just like Bedford did.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Updated for:

  • Inclusion of Kye Turner as an A rookie
  • Correction to Schache's contract status to 2024.
  • McVee's contract.  Continue as a Rookie for 2024.  Promote to Seniors for 2025
  • Rivers new 4 year contract taking him to the end of 2027!!

image.png.d5da698c092cbcc988956e2a718bc25d.png

 

Now for Kozzie!!

Edited by Lucifers Hero
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Updated for:

  • Inclusion of Kye Turner as an A rookie
  • Correction to Schache's contract status to 2024.
  • Rivers new 4 year contract taking him to the end of 2027!!

image.png.170468217d0a5ba09ea7f29c2618ea14.png

 

Now for Kozzie!!

Thanks LH, always enjoy seeing this thread bumped.

The rolling 2023 draft order right now has us with 4 picks within the first two rounds at 5, 16, 23 and 35.  I'd be very surprised if we didn't use all 4 of these.  Do we also need to find a spot for McVee?  Or can he stay on the rookie list another year?    

I'm guessing Dunstan would have to look for opportunities elsewhere.  Thinking we will also see retirements for Melksham and Hibberd.

Still think we're going to lose one or two more players.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Deeko2 said:

Thanks LH, always enjoy seeing this thread bumped.

The rolling 2023 draft order right now has us with 4 picks within the first two rounds at 5, 16, 23 and 35.  I'd be very surprised if we didn't use all 4 of these.  Do we also need to find a spot for McVee?  Or can he stay on the rookie list another year?    

I'm guessing Dunstan would have to look for opportunities elsewhere.  Thinking we will also see retirements for Melksham and Hibberd.

Still think we're going to lose one or two more players.

Thanks.  I forgot to update for McVee.  Will do shortly.  His new contract is as a rookie for 2024 then promoted to the seniors list for 2025.

Re the draft pick question.  I'd be surprised if we take all four picks to the draft.  More likely we do pick swaps to get us up the order, especially if there is a player we are keen on.  How those four picks and our future 2024 picks might be used to go up the order is anyone's guess at this stage.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

mcvee hasn't been officially confirmed or announced by the club, only reported as close to a deal or likely to sign a deal according to afl media reporters

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Updated for:

  • Inclusion of Kye Turner as an A rookie
  • Correction to Schache's contract status to 2024.
  • McVee's contract.  Continue as a Rookie for 2024.  Promote to Seniors for 2025
  • Rivers new 4 year contract taking him to the end of 2027!!

image.png.d5da698c092cbcc988956e2a718bc25d.png

 

Now for Kozzie!!

btw luci formatting error on rivers with the cup and also theres a cup next to joel smiths name who didn't win a flag, also not sure what ur flag policy is with hunter who won one at the dogs :)

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, Turner said:

btw luci formatting error on rivers with the cup and also theres a cup next to joel smiths name who didn't win a flag, also not sure what ur flag policy is with hunter who won one at the dogs :)

What would I do without you;  you are my ever reliable backstop!

I'll leave McVee as if he is signed up.  Will fix the formatting.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Thanks @Lucifers Hero.

The critical signings over the next 3 years are Pickett, Lever and Petty.  Langdon and Bowey next echelon.

Jefferson, D.Turner, McVee and JVR are likely to be important also IMO.

I like what little we've seen of Verrall and KFW - I think they could become players. 

The rest I need to be open minded about.  It's unlikely that we'd end up losing all the players in a category e.g. all of Sparrow, JJ and Woey, all of Chandler, ANB, Spargo and Laurie.  But it's pretty certain we'll lose some of them 

Edited by old55
  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Premiership Demon to wait on career call


Evergreen Demon Michael Hibberd won’t decide whether he will retire or play on next year until after Melbourne’s premiership bid ends.

The 33-year-old played an integral defensive role in the Dees’ comeback win over Richmond on Anzac Day Eve, starting and finishing on Dustin Martin, while shutting down Noah Cumberland in between.

Hibberd, who started his career with 84 games at Essendon, is 12 games short of reaching 200, with 17 matches, plus finals, for Melbourne to play this year. But his ongoing left achilles management – a problem that has plagued him for years – means he will have weeks off down the stretch.

“I don’t think many people get to 33 unless they’re the genuine superstars these days, but I’ve just battled my way through, and I’ll keep battling away,” he told Money Talks.

“I’ll wait until the end of the year to figure out what I want to do – whether I want to keep playing – and I’m sure the club will be in the same boat, but I’m just trying to enjoy every week at the moment.

“I love playing in front of these crowds and for this team, so I’d love to do it forever, but you can’t beat the clock. We’ll wait and see.”

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Likely end of year retirements:  Hibberd, Melksham

Non-renewals:  Dunstan. D.Smith (r)

Trades if requested: Tomlinson. 

currently listed free agents : Jordon, Neal Bullen. 

Of course really hoping Kozzzzy signs on for another 3-4 years. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Contract news updates:

  • Chandler:  In negotiations to stay Kade Chandler
  • Hibberd:  Will decide at year end whether to retire  See @roy11 report above
  • Jordon:  Deferred to end of year.  Has suitors. James Jordon
  • Kozzie:   In negotiations to stay.  🙂❤️💙🙂 Numerous reports
  • Neal-Bullen:  In negotiations to stay  Neal-Bullen

This leaves Dunstan, Melksham and Woewodin senior list players to be decided. 

A bit surprised there is no news on Woewodin as new draftees usually have their contracts extended fairly early. 

Among the Rookies: 

  • D. Turner is contracted for 2024 when he will be promoted to the Seniors
  • McVee ❤️ is contracted for 2024 as a Rookie and will be promoted to the Seniors for 2025

Aassuming Woewodin gets a contract extension, I see a maximum of 3 senior list spots being available - 4 potential losses: Hibberd, Melksham, Dunstan, Jordon less one known addition: D. Turner.

If we asssume we will take Kynan Brown that leaves a maximum of 2 potential senior list spots unless some 'in contract' players move on.

Edited by Lucifers Hero
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

A bit surprised there is no news on Woewodin as new draftees usually have their contracts extended fairly early

You'd assume its only a matter of time, especially with question marks about the long-term futures of Harmes, Jordon and Dunstan (for various reasons), could be a depth player in 2024.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Contract news updates:

  • Chandler:  In negotiations to stay Kade Chandler
  • Hibberd:  Will decide at year end whether to retire  See @roy11 report above
  • Jordon:  Deferred to end of year.  Has suitors. James Jordon
  • Kozzie:   In negotiations to stay.  🙂❤️💙🙂 Numerous reports
  • Neal-Bullen:  In negotiations to stay  Neal-Bullen

This leaves Dunstan, Melksham and Woewodin senior list players to be decided. 

A bit surprised there is no news on Woewodin as new draftees usually have their contracts extended fairly early. 

Among the Rookies: 

  • D. Turner is contracted for 2024 when he will be promoted to the Seniors
  • McVee ❤️ is contracted for 2024 as a Rookie and will be promoted to the Seniors for 2025

Aassuming Woewodin gets a contract extension, I see a maximum of 3 senior list spots being available - 4 potential losses: Hibberd, Melksham, Dunstan, Jordon less one known addition: D. Turner.

If we asssume we will take Kynan Brown that leaves a maximum of 2 potential senior list spots unless some 'in contract' players move on.

Would not be surprised if Harmes is traded at years end 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    SCRUTINY & RESILIENCE by Whispering Jack

    If the week when preseason training melds into scratch matches with other clubs, is the first marker for the beginning of a new season, then this has certainly been a torrid opener for the Melbourne Football Club in its campaign to remain a leading AFL premiership contender in 2024. The Demons were already under enormous scrutiny from the media and football’s fan base (including their own) after consecutive straight-sets finals exits, with Clayton Oliver’s well documented woes, the Joel Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 20

    Angus Brayshaw Forced into Retirement

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland. 😢

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 382

    PODCAST: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Tuesday, 20th February @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we dissect the Scratch Match loss to the Tigers and hopefully provide me with some free MFCSS therapy. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 43

    PREGAME: Practice Match vs Carlton

    The Dees will play their final practice match before the start of the 2024 seasons against the Blues at Ikon Park. What are you wanting to see in this final hit out before the season proper? Will Clarry & Salo return to the side? 2024 AAMI Community Series | Carlton v Melbourne Date: Wednesday 28 February Time: 6:40pm (AEDT) Location: IKON Park | Wurundjeri

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 80

    POSTGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Dees were outclassed and outmuscled in its first practice hit out for the 2024 season against the Tigers going down by 23 points at Casey Fields. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 286

    GAMEDAY: Match SIM vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and it's been 156 days since the Demons were bundled out of the finals in straight sets for the 2nd year in a row. Our redemption starts here. Remember it's only a practice match if we lose. Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways Demons Squad: 1. Steven May 2. Jacob Van Rooyen

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 402

    TRAINING: Saturday 17th February 2024

    On the eve of the Dees first practice match for the 2024 season a couple of Demonland Trackwatchers bring you their observations from today’s Captain’s Run at Gosch’s Paddock.  KEV MARTIN’S CAPTAIN’S RUN OBSERVATIONS Looks a a dress rehearsal Captain's run. 23 out doing drills.  Included is Will Verall, Kynan Brown, Bailey Laurie, Caleb Windsor, Blake Howes, Adam Tomlinson, Kade Chandler, Jack Billings and Josh Schache. Rehab include BBB, Tom Fullarton, TMac, AMW, Woey.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    PREGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demons will take to the field in their first hit out for 2024 against another team when they take on the Tigers at Casey Fields in a Scratch Match consisting of 7 "quarters". Melbourne vs Richmond Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways What are your expectations? What do you want to see from

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 130

    TRAINING: Monday 12th February 2024

    Clayton Oliver was integrated back into the main training group today for the first time in 2024 after completing a 2km time trial. FriendlyFellow, a new Demonland Trackwatcher hit Gosch's Paddock on a hot and windy morning to bring you his observations of the session. Disclaimer: Saw on the socials they were down at Gosch’s Paddock so headed down for a quick look. Little to no presence of other track watchers and no current live thread, so as a first time contributor, giving what the peopl

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 6
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...