Paxman to Fremantle

[daisycutter 29,747]

4 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Her family, her partner, etc are all in Greenvale.  Apart from a friend who works at Fremantle that's cited in the article, she has no ties in WA.

oboy, that's a long trek to casey fields 😲

[Grapeviney 9,810]

13 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

My bet is that Daisy will be our mens senior coach in about 5 years time.

Around the time of the first exhibition matches, Brad Green was asked about women playing a greater role in footy, and he kind of fluffed his lines, responding with :"I'm sure it won't be long before we see a woman coaching in the AFL, or someone with a woman's background." 😂

Edited December 1, 2022 by Grapeviney

[Katrina Dee Fan 3,909]

19 hours ago, daisycutter said:

oboy, that's a long trek to casey fields 😲

It's an even longer trek to Fremantle!

[poita 3,902]

What is the situation with salaries in the AFLW now? Is it possible that Fremantle, with a list that didn't make finals this year (albeit with heavy injuries), is in a position to offer Paxy significantly more money? 

It's great that we kept this list together to win a premiership, but maybe some of these players, particularly the older ones, now start thinking about their personal livelihoods.

And if our list does get attacked, clearly we are going to prioritise retaining players such as Hore, Harris, Hanks and Purcell who have got 8 - 10 years of football left, over 34/35 year olds.

[DubDee 26,136]

17 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

Around the time of the first exhibition matches, Brad Green was asked about women playing a greater role in footy, and he kind of fluffed his lines, responding with :"I'm sure it won't be long before we see a woman coaching in the AFL, or someone with a woman's background." 😂

when you said you used to be a broad, I thought you meant you used to travel overseas a lot

[Dees_In_October 3,495]

8 hours ago, poita said:

What is the situation with salaries in the AFLW now? Is it possible that Fremantle, with a list that didn't make finals this year (albeit with heavy injuries), is in a position to offer Paxy significantly more money? 

It's great that we kept this list together to win a premiership, but maybe some of these players, particularly the older ones, now start thinking about their personal livelihoods.

And if our list does get attacked, clearly we are going to prioritise retaining players such as Hore, Harris, Hanks and Purcell who have got 8 - 10 years of football left, over 34/35 year olds.

You're absolutely right re: pay, especially with more teams to throw money around. Detail in here about where it stood for S7, which was a one-season extension. This is to be re-negotiated for 2023:

 

[dl4e 5,851]

I am with Katrina on this. Paxman has bled red and blue and I just can't see her in a foreign jumper.

[deanox 9,998]

10 hours ago, Dees_In_October said:

You're absolutely right re: pay, especially with more teams to throw money around. Detail in here about where it stood for S7, which was a one-season extension. This is to be re-negotiated for 2023:

 

It's so great to see the movement and growth in these numbers. 

It also shows us how hard it will be for us to keep out list together.

Hanks, West, Zanker, Harris, Purcell, Hore, Bannan, Birch, Mithen, Gay, Lampard, Lauren Pearce.

Work out which of those 2 get tier 1 and which 6 tier 2, and which 4 get bumped to tier 3.

Add Goldrick and Mackin travelling from Ireland. A developing Eliza Macnamara and Gillard. And you still need to pay the veterans Daisy and Paxman.

So 5 of the players I've named are in tier 4 at the Dees.

Other clubs are sure to circle, it's a surprise we didn't lose any during expansion.

Edited December 2, 2022 by deanox

[Katrina Dee Fan 3,909]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:11 AM, deanox said:

It's so great to see the movement and growth in these numbers. 

It also shows us how hard it will be for us to keep out list together.

Hanks, West, Zanker, Harris, Purcell, Hore, Bannan, Birch, Mithen, Gay, Lampard, Lauren Pearce.

Work out which of those 2 get tier 1 and which 6 tier 2, and which 4 get bumped to tier 3.

Add Goldrick and Mackin travelling from Ireland. A developing Eliza Macnamara and Gillard. And you still need to pay the veterans Daisy and Paxman.

So 5 of the players I've named are in tier 4 at the Dees.

Other clubs are sure to circle, it's a surprise we didn't lose any during expansion.

Harris came to Melbourne on the base wage scale.  She didn't care how much she was being paid, she just wanted to play football.  I do think she deserves to be on a higher tier than that, though!

[rjay 25,113]

15 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Harris came to Melbourne on the base wage scale.  She didn't care how much she was being paid, she just wanted to play football.  I do think she deserves to be on a higher tier than that, though!

I think she has earned it...

[deanox 9,998]

29 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Harris came to Melbourne on the base wage scale.  She didn't care how much she was being paid, she just wanted to play football.  I do think she deserves to be on a higher tier than that, though!

Yeah absolutely, she's be unfairly malligned in the media. My understanding was that the "numbers" thrown around for her at Carlton were actually what she was discussing for her multiple off-field roles.

Rubbish reporting.

[Mister Ed 317]

Surely not doing a Luke Jackson?

[Dees_In_October 3,495]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:11 AM, deanox said:

It's so great to see the movement and growth in these numbers. 

It also shows us how hard it will be for us to keep out list together.

Hanks, West, Zanker, Harris, Purcell, Hore, Bannan, Birch, Mithen, Gay, Lampard, Lauren Pearce.

Work out which of those 2 get tier 1 and which 6 tier 2, and which 4 get bumped to tier 3.

Add Goldrick and Mackin travelling from Ireland. A developing Eliza Macnamara and Gillard. And you still need to pay the veterans Daisy and Paxman.

So 5 of the players I've named are in tier 4 at the Dees.

Other clubs are sure to circle, it's a surprise we didn't lose any during expansion.

Yep it's why I struggle to begrudge anyone leaving, especially those later in their careers who have sacrificed a lot of earning over the last six years. At some point, you don't have to be particularly money-focused to need to make some tough decisions to look after your future.

Having said that, I think our club is among the best placed in the league to retain players. They've shown it time and time again through expansion. We've lost players here and there, but nowhere near the extent of other clubs and never the really big fish. For the at-the-time bigger name players who've gone, it's seemingly mostly been the other way around - us letting them go knowing we've got replacements in development who would have superseded them anyway.

Plus, and this is pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players we might expect to be in higher tiers would be willing to make sacrifices to keep others around, especially those who have established careers/big sponsorship deals/who knows, even generational wealth, to supplement their footy income. And in AFLW (rightly or wrongly) there are more ways to make players feel valued than cold hard cash - not talking about cars, but stuff that eases problems with conditions/access to facilities etc. - flexibility, coaches who go the extra mile. All that would be really valued by players.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,338]

8 hours ago, Mister Ed said:

Surely not doing a Luke Jackson?

Not after the tattoo, surely!

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

One thing I noticed about the AFLW is that they are more mercenary. Lots of player changes. Still not a settled competition. 

[Katrina Dee Fan 3,909]

22 hours ago, deanox said:

Yeah absolutely, she's be unfairly malligned in the media. My understanding was that the "numbers" thrown around for her at Carlton were actually what she was discussing for her multiple off-field roles.

Rubbish reporting.

You're spot on there.  From my understanding, Tayla struggled with the lockdowns given her family were in another state, and she approached Carlton for support, surprised she didn't get much, other than "Why aren't you playing well?"  To be fair it's hard to perform at your best when mental health is struggling.  She was quite surprised by the amount of money Carlton claimed she was asking for (she didn't ask for that at all) and she told me herself, she didn't make the decision to leave Carlton, they effectively delisted her, which left her absolutely distraught.  It does upset her how she's been completely misrepresented.  She is nothing like she's been portrayed in the media.  All she wants to do is enjoy playing footy with her mates.  

Lisa, her mum, and I were talking about this on Saturday night.  She told me that if she had it her way, she would have played out her entire career at Melbourne, because she as a mother loved the vibe from Melbourne from the exhibition games, but ultimately it was Tayla's decision to initially play for Brisbane (which I understand, it's her home town) and then Carlton. She's thrilled she's at Melbourne, and getting so much support from the club.  You can see she's much happier, and playing her best footy.

[BDA 22,905]

22 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

You're spot on there.  From my understanding, Tayla struggled with the lockdowns given her family were in another state, and she approached Carlton for support, surprised she didn't get much, other than "Why aren't you playing well?"  To be fair it's hard to perform at your best when mental health is struggling.  She was quite surprised by the amount of money Carlton claimed she was asking for (she didn't ask for that at all) and she told me herself, she didn't make the decision to leave Carlton, they effectively delisted her, which left her absolutely distraught.  It does upset her how she's been completely misrepresented.  She is nothing like she's been portrayed in the media.  All she wants to do is enjoy playing footy with her mates.  

Lisa, her mum, and I were talking about this on Saturday night.  She told me that if she had it her way, she would have played out her entire career at Melbourne, because she as a mother loved the vibe from Melbourne from the exhibition games, but ultimately it was Tayla's decision to initially play for Brisbane (which I understand, it's her home town) and then Carlton. She's thrilled she's at Melbourne, and getting so much support from the club.  You can see she's much happier, and playing her best footy.

Carlton's loss is our gain. They're muppets

She's been fantastic since she joined and i reckon the final piece of the jigsaw we needed to win the big one

[kev martin 10,418]

At the time we picked her up, I thought she was a bad fit for the club. (Disrupt the cohesion amongst the existing players)

On reflection, she is no "Diva". Played strong, no fuss footy. Just gets on with it, on or off the field, and appeared to re-established a great comradeship with all.

28 minutes ago, BDA said:

She's been fantastic since she joined and i reckon the final piece of the jigsaw we needed to win the big one

I agree with BDA, necessary part of our jigsaw. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by kev martin

[Katrina Dee Fan 3,909]

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

At the time we picked her up, I thought she was a bad fit for the club. (Disrupt the cohesion amongst the existing players)

On reflection, she is no "Diva". Played strong, no fuss footy. Just gets on with it, on or off the field, and appeared to re-established a great comradeship with all.

I agree with BDA, necessary part of our jigsaw. 

A lot of people had the same view as you initially had, which is the unfortunate result of that media backlash.  I'm glad a lot of Melbourne supporters have seen what a magic human being she is.  She's been a fantastic piece of that premiership puzzle, both in the forward line and in support to Loz in the ruck.  She's clearly loving her time at Melbourne, and she deserves the happiness this is bringing her.  

[58er 6,598]

2 hours ago, BDA said:

Carlton's loss is our gain. They're muppets

She's been fantastic since she joined and i reckon the final piece of the jigsaw we needed to win the big one

Carlton's AFLW player loss after the last 4/5 seasons is almost the "GWS" figure in the AFL.  
And The Coach keeps on surviving with under achieving results.

(Even commentates on Fox on his spare days off!!) which is his prerogative. Very complementary about Dees after the GF and during the game.

Nice to see after all the Lions hype ( such HOT favourites) in Melb and up here (Qld) when in reality we were their equal ( minus 1 point) over the H and A season snd even the two Finals played prior to. 

Great atmosphere at Springfield  GF Day and very pleasant Lions crowd as well. What a bloodbath it would have been if Pies or Tigers had been our opponent anywhere!

[Trisul 664]

Harris legally running through the Lion for the ball, with blood dripping from under her eye, personified the effort and mindset required on the day.