1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Nah.

This is a poor look. If Selwyn has ordered him to either take it easy or made the call to give it another week then Oliver needs to respect those above him and pull his head in.

If Selwyn is making a decision purely for the best of Oliver's health then so be it.

a star player has a heated conversation with a fitness guy. 

the sky is falling!

would happen regularly behind closed doors at all clubs

2 hours ago, Neitz the Great said:

As a physio myself, I know the feeling of this sort of stuff. 
 

Sometimes you have a minor niggle that just keeps on keeping on. From the outside a minor hammy like that looks like a standard 3 weeker (which it is for 90%) but for some, every time you try and grade them up in the program they get sore, or can’t get to top speed, or just keep feeling the hamstring at not 100%. 
 

I know it’s popular to make something bigger than it is, which is fair enough given Clarry’s importance to our team. But from my view it seems like he lost all fitness from his infection, has rebuilt that which added another couple of weeks, and is perfectly fine for going on a run with friends around the block but still can’t hit that full pace there. It’s also definitely the hardest phase to rehab. 
 

fingers crossed for next week!

can everyone else speculating and guessing with no medical background please refer to this excellent post

No matter whats going on, Pi## the press off quick smart, or better still, don't let them in period...

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

With respect, Clarrie is the last person who should have a say in it. If it was up to him he wouldn’t have missed a single game.

He’s a professional athlete staying fit is his job, I think you are giving too little respect to him and in the hypothetical he did put his had up after a week or 2 who is to say he wouldn’t have been fine. Season is effectively on the line now we don’t have the luxury of waiting anymore loose this week and kiss top 4 and a chance at a flag this year goodbye 

Well social media is once again flooded with absolutely horrible innuendo and garbage rumours. 
Oliver deserves better. 

8 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Well social media is once again flooded with absolutely horrible innuendo and garbage rumours. 
Oliver deserves better. 

Like what?  Letting him play injured?  As WCW says "morons will be morons".

2 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Like what?  Letting him play injured?  As WCW says "morons will be morons".

Like he’s a drug cheat, like he’s on his final strike etc etc 

Yes morons will be morons, but when you keep feeding the trolls….

I just hope that mentally he’s resilient enough to handle this rubbish. 

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by Jaded No More

13 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Well social media is once again flooded with absolutely horrible innuendo and garbage rumours. 
Oliver deserves better. 

Are you serious? I literally thought the only upside of this was that it would put an end to the rumours.

So what now, our head of fitness is essentially acting out a pantomime for the press, with our star player, to throw people off the scent? 

He can’t execute what our fitness department need. That’s literally what you can see first hand. He’s frustrated and heartbroken. That people turn it into anything else is a sad indictment on the state of social media.

Just now, The heart beats true said:

Are you serious? I literally thought the only upside of this was that it would put an end to the rumours.

So what now, our head of fitness is essentially acting out a pantomime for the press, with our star player, to throw people off the scent? 

He can’t execute what our fitness department need. That’s literally what you can see first hand. He’s frustrated and heartbroken. That people turn it into anything else is a sad indictment on the state of social media.

People are dumb and nasty 

I actually love the footage of Oliver and Selwyn, he’s passionate and he cares

This article has a video of Oliver running. (My copy skills don't extend to videos).

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/oliver-leaves-training-early-with-hamstring-concern-20230705-p5dlwq.html

At the end Oliver goes for a run.  He gingerly walks back with a tiny limp/favouring his leg. 

Make of that what you will.

Maybe Oliver is too keen and trying too hard and not giving himself the chance to fully recover.

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

3 hours ago, kev martin said:

The look of the dialogue between Clarry and Selwyn was not a good look.

I understand Oliver's side of frustration and seemingly "pushing" to keep at it. It is Selwyn with his hand out, the agitation and walking away and returning, that I have the problem with. He need's to remain calm and be seen to give feedback that is calculated and delivered in a way that brings the best out of Clarry.

As with all the MFC coaches and staff, "get the best out of the squad", should be the mantra. 

Maybe Selwyn knows Clarry well, and that is the approach that is best for him. Just, doesn't look like it.

Without being there and hearing what was being discussed any comment is just pure guesswork at best and hysteria at worst.

13 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

People are dumb and nasty 

Some.

33 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Well social media is once again flooded with absolutely horrible innuendo and garbage rumours. 
Oliver deserves better. 

Who would of thought hey, it happens on here too a lot, many things said without any facts.

Any medico's on here know anything about septicemia?

43 minutes ago, Garbo said:

He’s a professional athlete staying fit is his job, I think you are giving too little respect to him and in the hypothetical he did put his had up after a week or 2 who is to say he wouldn’t have been fine. Season is effectively on the line now we don’t have the luxury of waiting anymore loose this week and kiss top 4 and a chance at a flag this year goodbye 

My point is Clarrie would absolutely say he was fine, you could put the farm on it. Therefore his estimation of his return date counts for zero.

Maybe because of the class of player he is, it’s easy to forget he’s human. Just as they all are.

No player is happy to be ruled not fit to play, but some take it harder than others. From what I know I’d say we have the top two players on the list of Players who don’t do being on the sidelines well currently on the sidelines. Whereas one of them is reticent about his plight, the other is an open book. 

28 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

People are dumb and nasty 

The way I see it, the rumours of illicit drug use swirling around are not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, the more outrageous the rumours, the better. Everyone (who matters) knows it’s a complete lie and therefore ought not be brought down by it. Let them wallow in their nastiness and leave our people to work on whatever real issues there are. 

5 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Something absolutely stinks. Two months for a minor hamstring strain. I don’t think so.  

You keep on ignoring the fact that in the middle of all that he spent a week immobile in hospital. 

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Medico staff have butchered this one unfortunately. When you think it's suitable to start running 3 days after initially doing it against Port and giving it zero time to actually proper recover then this is exactly what, the injury starts becoming debilitating.

 

 

6 hours ago, poita said:

The club needs to come out at some point and give us the full story, because this entire episode is completely unacceptable for a supposedly professional sporting club.

Firstly, allowing Oliver to play on after the initial injury. Then, allowing an infection to get bad enough to result in a lengthy hospital stay, having him train in the cold and wet after the Geelong game, taking him to Alice Springs for no reason, and every other ill advised training session he has done in the past 7 weeks. Finally, the lack of meaningful updates that resulted in the ridiculous rumours that circulated a few weeks ago.

Goodwin needs to shut up and stop saying every Monday that he is a chance to play this week, before he is then ruled out two days later. It reflects badly on him and the club.

You two are doctors/physios?

No?

Then perhaps re-think posts like this. 

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

 

You two are doctors/physios?

No?

Then perhaps re-think posts like this. 

Lol..

You don't need to be a pysio/doctor to work put how much of a mess this has even handled by the medico team. 

Allowing Oliver to play last quarter of the Port Adelaide game after strongly grabbing his hamstring in the 3rd, then bizarrely enough letting him run 3 days after initially doing it.

Doesn't matter whether Oliver has a say or not. Medicos should have power in getting the last say on a players physical well-being.

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by dazzledavey36

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol..

You don't need to be a physio/doctor to work put how much of a mess this has even handled by the medico team. 

Allowing Oliver to play last quarter of the Port Adelaide game after strongly grabbing his hamstring in the 3rd, then bizarrely enough letting him run 3 days after initially doing it.

Doesn't matter whether Oliver has a say or not. Medicos should have power in getting the last say on a players physical well-being.

Yes you do. 

You don’t know what impact playing out the 4th had. You don’t know what Clarry reported at the time. You don’t know what impact running on it days later had. You don’t know (or mention) what impact being immobile in hospital had. You don’t know what the doctors asked him to do or what he did in response. You don’t know where he’s currently at or how “bad” things are now. 

18 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Yes you do. 

You don’t know what impact playing out the 4th had. You don’t know what Clarry reported at the time. You don’t know what impact running on it days later had. You don’t know (or mention) what impact being immobile in hospital had. You don’t know what the doctors asked him to do or what he did in response. You don’t know where he’s currently at or how “bad” things are now. 

Really?

People who have strained or torn hamstrings on here whether that's playing footy or athletics (7 over my time) will say to you the best medical advice from a physio or sports science doctor will say that the initial stage of doing hamstring is  the RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) stage for the first 2-3 days.  

After that, you can start gradually walking and slowly build up and gradually increase load into your legs.

The way he grabbed it so suddenly, evidently proves that there was hamstring damage which the club also confirmed at the time. 

So if the club confirmed there was hamstring damage then why on earth was he back running 3 days after actually damaging his hamstring?

Or you you putting the entire blame on Oliver here?

I'm sure he's been strong on wanting to push hard, but the physical and medico staff have enough power over players these days. You can't insist this is all on Oliver himself. When anyone is injured, you're putting all your trust and faith into your medical team who are giving you the right advice and program to get you back to normal again.

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by dazzledavey36

Dazz is correct as he almost always is. As iterated somewhere else and as an Ex Phys Eder, I can say.. To allow someone to run 3 days after a  Hammy is LUDICROUS! 

Edited July 5, 20231 yr by picket fence

20 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Really?

People who have strained or torn hamstrings on here whether that's playing footy or athletics (7 over my time) will say to you the best medical advice from a physio or sports science doctor will say that the initial stage of doing hamstring is  the RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) stage for the first 2-3 days.  

After that, you can start gradually walking and slowly build up and gradually increase load into your legs.

The way he grabbed it so suddenly, evidently proves that there was hamstring damage which the club also confirmed at the time. 

So if the club confirmed there was hamstring damage then why on earth was he back running 3 days after actually damaging his hamstring?

Or you you putting the entire blame on Oliver here?

I'm sure he's been strong on wanting to push hard, but the physical and medico staff have enough power over players these days. You can't insist this is all on Oliver himself. When anyone is injured, you're putting all your trust and faith into your medical team who are giving you the right advice and program to get you back to normal again.

No I’m not putting the entire blame on Oliver. I’m not even saying he’s responsible for anything. I’m just saying that without being a doctor or physio and without knowing what actually happened, it’s not fair or reasonable to say the club’s stuffed up. 

It doesn’t have to be the club’s fault or Oliver’s fault. 

Sent for more scans 🥹 this is so frustrating!