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2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

A Bombers mate sms'd me the other day as well. He said they have been a sh-t club for 15 years and still are one. He said they are a shambles.

Waiting for the next mate from another club.

Good job the Suns don't have any fans otherwise you'd be inundated with text messages

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9 minutes ago, BDA said:

Good job the Suns don't have any fans otherwise you'd be inundated with text messages

Actually think they are improving on and off field and are trying to get out of the mess they created a few years ago.

They had players threatening to leave and probably destroy the club, so they had to be overpaid to keep them.

They have shown faith in their Coach and are definitely improving. Ran the Pies to a few points, just as an example.

With luck they could make their first final next year.

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Actually think they are improving on and off field and are trying to get out of the mess they created a few years ago.

They had players threatening to leave and probably destroy the club, so they had to be overpaid to keep them.

They have shown faith in their Coach and are definitely improving. Ran the Pies to a few points, just as an example.

their improvement is off low base Red

Posted
2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Ratten was a good coach at Carlton who got nowhere because their recruiting was awful and their list just ran out of improvement.

I think he did ok at St Kilda but someone has to take the fall for their lack of list strategy apart from load up on players other teams didn’t want.

It probably wasn’t Ratten’s idea, but a coach has to give direction to their football department and if it’s the wrong direction they need to get out.

Its a shame for Brett because he’s 100-1 to get a 3rd shot at it but it’s hard to argue it was either sack him now or sack him in June. 

Here we have the exact answer from Spence that i was expecting…

like Clockwork 

Posted
28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

They hated him when he left and will now fall in love with him again.

Nah, I think his name is the first thing that pops up whenever a coaching job appears.  At least he's knows his way around the place, might still have his keys.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Nah, I think his name is the first thing that pops up whenever a coaching job appears.  At least he's knows his way around the place, might still have his keys.

They never removed his car space.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

Do they not remember how he left them?He completely torched that club, and it’s list.

Listening to him talk over the last couple of years I’ve come to the conclusion that what he had worked once, but won’t cut it in the contemporary AFL. Players need more engagement. He strikes me as being very autocratic.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Here we have the exact answer from Spence that i was expecting…

like Clockwork 

I’m expressing my views. Ratten, ok coach, bad circumstances, treated poorly but was his demise was probably inevitable is hardly a unique view.

You are wasting my time, your own time and the time everyone who has to read your post and this post.

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3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m expressing my views. Ratten, ok coach, bad circumstances, treated poorly but was his demise was probably inevitable is hardly a unique view.

You are wasting my time, your own time and the time everyone who has to read your post and this post.

This has nothing to do with Ratten, that is the point. This is all List Management and Recruiting 

Ratten did an excellent job getting a 50% winning ratio out of that lot

He is an absolute scapegoat in all of this and Should demand every cent of that 2 year deal. 
 

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1 minute ago, The heart beats true said:

Do they not remember how he left them?He completely torched that club, and it’s list.

Listening to him talk over the last couple of years I’ve come to the conclusion that what he had worked once, but won’t cut it in the contemporary AFL. Players need more engagement. He strikes me as being very autocratic.

He torched the list but isn’t going all in to win one absolutely justifiable when you’ve won 1 flag in 100 years?

At Freo he pulled up stumps and invested in draft picks and rebuilt once the era was over. Now they’re looking healthy again.

I don’t know about his off field stuff or his man management but players are generally happy when you’re winning and unhappy when you’re losing.

After the Adelaide camp, the Essendon saga, the Hawthorn alleged reports with Fages and Clarko, maybe Ross being a bit demanding on players isn’t all that bad. 

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If Yze wants to be a senior coach this is not a team he should start with since they want results immediately and a premiership soon.

The list is wishy washy hash of castoffs and hastily selected rejects, player are there for their retirement pay day.

They got Hannebery who well past his use by date, Ryder who was in his twilight of his career who suffered lots of soft tissue injuries because they need him to play too many matches per season.

Brad Hill was maybe near enough to being over the hill.

Brad Crouch need a retirement home.

These are some of the players they expected to create a premiership team.

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This has nothing to do with Ratten, that is the point. This is all List Management and Recruiting 

Ratten did an excellent job getting a 50% winning ratio out of that lot

He is an absolute scapegoat in all of this and Should demand every cent of that 2 year deal. 
 

A coach has to provide the vision and direction for the list. Goodwin has always been aligned with JT about bringing in competitors and a focus on contested ball. Every new mature recruits speaks to Goodwin’s plans for their role.

Sam Mitchell right now at Hawthorn is putting his stamp on that club and being completely frank about his desire not just to sneak in to finals. That’s the job. 

The head coach always gets the blame. They have to demand what they need 

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Yze was lucky to miss out on the Essendon gig but there aren;t many jobs out there. He can't be choosy. If he gets the opportunity to coach the Saints he should take it

That said it looks like they want an experienced coach to try and coax something from this group. good luck. Other than King and Steele there's not much to work with

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Posted
1 hour ago, Redleg said:

As I posted earlier. Got someone and dumped him. Blokes who appointed him and gave him that list remain and even get promoted. Great club.

Now they may only give Ratten 6 months pay, on a 2 year extension, which stopped him applying for other jobs that were available.

If that's true, wish them continued misery. Ratten is a decent bloke, who deserves better.

I would take him as an Assistant Coach.

Think we already know who the new Coach is.

Yep would take him in a heartbeat on our coaching staff, fantastic human being is Rats

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47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

A coach has to provide the vision and direction for the list. Goodwin has always been aligned with JT about bringing in competitors and a focus on contested ball. Every new mature recruits speaks to Goodwin’s plans for their role.

Sam Mitchell right now at Hawthorn is putting his stamp on that club and being completely frank about his desire not just to sneak in to finals. That’s the job. 

The head coach always gets the blame. They have to demand what they need 

He probably demanded lots of things and got none of it. 
watch The History of St.Kilda Football Club on YouTube. It goes about 90 Minutes 

Lurches from one disaster to another from Day 1

This is not the Fault of Ratten 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Redleg said:

A Bombers mate sms'd me the other day as well. He said they have been a sh-t club for 15 years and still are one. He said they are a shambles.

Waiting for the next mate from another club.

Come off it Red ! You wouldn't have that many mates.

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Posted
7 hours ago, DubDee said:

Not to mention 2020 and early 2021

Analysing our game plan,  across 2022, it may not be too late?

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So they didn't like his answers in a 7 hour meeting.  They've said they don't want to be a 6 - 10 club.  So I'm guessing he too blunt on what really lay ahead as after being resigned, when they were winning he thought they were on the same page?  What do they think caused their late season slump? Draw, injuries to key's like Ryder etc.  The players trust him.  As for being "tough" or demanding enough.  You can't demand more effort out of players if they don't trust you and according to reports they still do.

I'm guessing  this the a case of the board over estimating the list and what it can achieve, or is the list manager saying they should have gotten more out of the group this year.  I guess after 2019 they expected to push deep into finals. 

 

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2 hours ago, durango said:

If Yze wants to be a senior coach this is not a team he should start with since they want results immediately and a premiership soon.

The list is wishy washy hash of castoffs and hastily selected rejects, player are there for their retirement pay day.

They got Hannebery who well past his use by date, Ryder who was in his twilight of his career who suffered lots of soft tissue injuries because they need him to play too many matches per season.

Brad Hill was maybe near enough to being over the hill.

Brad Crouch need a retirement home.

These are some of the players they expected to create a premiership team.

Agree

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Posted
12 hours ago, old dee said:

Costly move. 2 years salary !!!!

i believe Ol' Fella that AFL changed all club contracts to mean that only 6 months salary to be paid out no matter how many months are left.

Saints president, Andrew Bassat, said at today's media conference that paying out was the decent thing to do!

The decent thing to do!!!  what about the other 18 months Bassat -

that's Bassat the multi millionaire from Seek.com, where poor Ratten now finds himself.

Pay Ratten the full amount but that's typical of Linton St - they went broke what 3 times in the 60s, 70s and 80s?

Didn't pay their only premiership coach his dues - even when the two-headed monster Butters and Thomas were making record profits.

no wonder I am an Anti-Saint!

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