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How Geelong Stays Competitive

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Some bizarre points from Jake - firstly that Dusty is getting paid way more than Hawkins. Hawk is 35 and no-one thought he would even be playing at this age let alone playing very well.  Dusty is coming off 3 norms. Couldn't think of a worst comparison. The other two examples are Selwood who may retire this year or next and Danger who is 32.  Of course you get paid less when you get older, it is not some sort of team ethos. Danger and the like raked in the coin in their prime.

The fact is the Cats have very few gun players in their prime so salary cap is easy to manage. J Cameron is the only one I can think of right now.

No insights for me aside from high draft picks having large contracts on potential (why we should feel OK about LJ leaving). I thinks the Cats are where they are due to a quality culture, very good coaching, quality drafting at late picks. However they have not won the flag as they lack top end young talent (high draft picks)

If your goal is to do well in the H&A, then they have been successful. However 10 years on top with only 1 losing GF to show for it is failure to me.  

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    4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

    They stay competitive by being given 10 wins a year at Geelong. End of story. 

    I hate the Cats with a passion but I don't understand these type of comments.  Do you not think they are entitled to a home ground?

    In finals they don't even get to play at home even when they've earnt it due to the AFL wanting money, which I think is unfair

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    As already mentioned, they do Judd - Visy like deals but with wives and girlfriends. Prior to that, it was land deals with Costa.

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    44 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    Some bizarre points from Jake - firstly that Dusty is getting paid way more than Hawkins. Hawk is 35 and no-one thought he would even be playing at this age let alone playing very well.  Dusty is coming off 3 norms. Couldn't think of a worst comparison. The other two examples are Selwood who may retire this year or next and Danger who is 32.  Of course you get paid less when you get older, it is not some sort of team ethos. Danger and the like raked in the coin in their prime.

    The fact is the Cats have very few gun players in their prime so salary cap is easy to manage. J Cameron is the only one I can think of right now.

    No insights for me aside from high draft picks having large contracts on potential (why we should feel OK about LJ leaving). I thinks the Cats are where they are due to a quality culture, very good coaching, quality drafting at late picks. However they have not won the flag as they lack top end young talent (high draft picks)

    If your goal is to do well in the H&A, then they have been successful. However 10 years on top with only 1 losing GF to show for it is failure to me.  

    Is it still  rule that players over 30 can be paid x, but only x/2 is attributed to the salary cap or is my memory failing me 🤣

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    Title days it all. Call me when it says "How Geelong keeps winning flags". There's no way I'd trade our last 10 years for their's, or the next 10 for that matter.

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    He's dislikeable for sure, but Chris Scott is also a very good coach. No doubt he's a major reason why they consistently finish top 4

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    1 hour ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

    Could say the same for any interstate side, yet plenty currently occupy the bottom 10.

    Completely unique ground. Only they know how to play it. They play many Victorian sides there too. 
     

    1 hour ago, DubDee said:

    I hate the Cats with a passion but I don't understand these type of comments.  Do you not think they are entitled to a home ground?

    In finals they don't even get to play at home even when they've earnt it due to the AFL wanting money, which I think is unfair

    I never said they didn’t deserve a home ground. I just said they have the best home ground advantage of any side in the competition. 

    And the AFL is correct. You cannot host finals in a stadium that holds such a small capacity. They don’t host finals in Marvel either. 

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    5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

    I'd suggest the lifestyle on that side of the bay is a hell of a lot better than the other side.
    Got a more country coastal feel than the rat race of the city.
    I know where I'd prefer to have a McRanch with ocean views.

     

    Geelong itself is a hole, but it does have the beaches nearby. 

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    16 minutes ago, Spargonicus said:

    Geelong itself is a hole, but it does have the beaches nearby. 

    So Melbourne's not a hole 😂

    I know where I'd prefer to live.
    And it wouldn't be "in" Geelong.

     


     

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    26 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    I never said they didn’t deserve a home ground. I just said they have the best home ground advantage of any side in the competition. 

    How is it any better than the Gabba or Spotless?  

    *Just wondering…not trying to start an argument 

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    1 hour ago, DubDee said:

    I hate the Cats with a passion but I don't understand these type of comments.  Do you not think they are entitled to a home ground?

    In finals they don't even get to play at home even when they've earnt it due to the AFL wanting money, which I think is unfair

    It’s the skewed opponents they play at the Cat Box that I despise 

    We get shunted down there every year, without fail, whilst a select few other Club would have no idea where Jeelong is. They have not played there since the 90’s

    It is a disgusting advantage they have. 
     

    HATE

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    46 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    How is it any better than the Gabba or Spotless?  

    *Just wondering…not trying to start an argument 

    I think someone posted more details earlier in the thread. It is substantially skinnier than any other ground (116m) and very long (170m) with strangely shallow pockets. It really favours their zone defence, and should actually assist ours I would have thought. Where it really killed us last time is that it is a lot easier to congest the exit from defence. 
     

    i actually think they played us super well in the last game. The ground did give them some assistance but they legitimately outplayed us.

     

    edit: typo

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    2 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

    Could say the same for any interstate side, yet plenty currently occupy the bottom 10.

    Interstate teams have home ground advantage on account of the crowd and noise. Adelaide Oval and Optus Stadium aren't difficult to play. GMHBA is literally designed to Geelong's advantage. They are the only professional team in the world with an actual *playing field* advantage given how ground stadiums vary here, but there's is as if it was drawn up free hand on a blackboard. 

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    For what it’s worth, I seem to remember a number of hawthorn players taking well below what they were worth in their prime. Sewell was being hunted by clubs and stayed for less money and Lake took about $150,000+ pay cut to join the hawks from the dogs. 
     

    For us, it’s going to have to be our mid tier players that do a lake/Sewell and knock back better offers from other clubs. If Jackson wants more money over success, then good luck to him. It’s just how things go.

    Players have to be prepared to give up some pay if they want to keep the other good players around them. 
     

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    Maldonboy38 on another thread  summed up the Selwood celebration succinctly, showing due respect for his long reign as a champion footballer. But correctly questioned the Selwood legacy as being flawed due to his poor sportsmanship and chronic propensity for 'plaint.

    The fatuous ‘warrior’ mythology spouted by a Fox Sports promo was debunked immediately by the very definition provided. Duckwood clearly doesn’t measure up. But the ‘heroic’ visuals of copious releases of blood 🩸 from the captain’s ‘battlefield engagements’ recall a darker more decadent past.
     

    Sleepy old Geelong on the Bay, reminiscent of Whitby on the North Yorkshire coast. Is redolent of Bram Stoker’s old haunts set anew in the Antipodes. GBH stadium despite copious tax dollars spent resembles a faux-translyvanian architectural fantasy. Suitably doomed by its deformed dimensions. It is is referred to locally as “Castle Dracula” by the cretins that habitually inhabit the ‘bleachers’ at home games.

    In response to the eternal question; How Jeerlong stays competitive?

    This mob’s long reign as finalists without the fulfilment of a premiership cup' is akin to a the theme of dissolution in the movie Interview with a Vampire. Lestat (Selwood) offers Louis (Dangerfield) to transform from a  crow to a vampire cat in the vain hope of premiership glory. Which appears almost tangible but remains elusive. Any transfusion of youth is like turning troubled talent like Tyson Stengle (Kirsten Dunst) into a vampire pussycat.

    Which brings to mind another question. Where does Chris Scott fit in the bigger picture?

    silent film vampire GIF by FilmStruck

    Edited by Tarax Club
    roll the credits...

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    2 hours ago, DubDee said:

    I hate the Cats with a passion but I don't understand these type of comments.  Do you not think they are entitled to a home ground?

    In finals they don't even get to play at home even when they've earnt it due to the AFL wanting money, which I think is unfair

    I think that they are lucky being a team originally from a country town to be able to play in the AFL.  There is no other representative team in the AFL  from a country town and cities like HOBART or DARWIN should be considered to take Geelong's place.

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    1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    It’s the skewed opponents they play at the Cat Box that I despise 

    We get shunted down there every year, without fail, whilst a select few other Club would have no idea where Jeelong is. They have not played there since the 90’s

    It is a disgusting advantage they have. 
     

    HATE

    So you’re angry at the AFL then, not the Cats?

    they don’t choose who they play

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    50 minutes ago, willmoy said:

    I think that they are lucky being a team originally from a country town to be able to play in the AFL.  There is no other representative team in the AFL  from a country town and cities like HOBART or DARWIN should be considered to take Geelong's place.

    Wow there is some weird responses coming out but is the best one

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    They don't over pay ruckman.  Want a dynasty/retain your list? Get yourself midfield stars but dont spend your cap on the tallest bloke in the centre square.

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    1 hour ago, FlashInThePan said:

    I think someone posted more details earlier in the thread. It is substantially skinnier than any other ground (116m) and very long (170m) with strangely shallow pockets. It really favours their zone defence, and should actually assist ours I would have thought. Where it really killed us last time is that it is a lot easier to congest the exit from defence. 
     

    i actually think they played us super well in the last game. The ground did give them some assistance but they legitimately outplayed us.

     

    edit: typo

    Thanks for replying 

    so maybe AFL grounds should have standard dimensions? Obviously if their home ground has a certain characteristic they would play a style to suit it. 

    problem is for them, they don’t play finals on it 

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    Like to see them get Swans in finals. 
    Swans have good finals record v cats especially since Nick Davis game. 
    Swans also have good record v Cats, even at KP. 
    In Covid, Swans were happy to use KP as neutral home ground in VIC - not MCG or Telstra 

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    3 hours ago, DubDee said:

    So you’re angry at the AFL then, not the Cats?

    they don’t choose who they play

    I am sure the Jeelong FC have a lot to do with it. They have had an armchair ride ever since Costa and Cook took control 

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