1 hour ago, layzie said:

Easy for you to say.

23 hours ago, mo64 said:

Pies decision to get rid of Grundy was justified.

Grundy is probably wondering how Frampton has a premiership medallion, whilst he got the lemon and sars from the club he loved.

Players need to be open to redoing contracts. He would still be a Pie for $650K, A million is overs 

On 9/30/2023 at 6:06 PM, mo64 said:

Pies decision to get rid of Grundy was justified.

Grundy is probably wondering how Frampton has a premiership medallion, whilst he got the lemon and sars from the club he loved.

I saw this a lot in basketball. Players  of lesser ability who follow rules/ game style and system are highly valued. Stars, gotta star, but tole players are valuable too. 

Getting Grundy wasn’t a mistake.

He was a replacement for Jackson and yatistically their output as a second ruck was very similar.

Yes, Jackson was a slightly better forward but not by a lot.

The problem is, we tried to mould Grundy into a player he never was going to be instead of working to his strengths as a ruck.

The reliance on Gawn is unsustainable, he needed to adjust his game and spend more time forward because despite his kicking woes he can at least take a contested mark and wreaks havoc for opposition defenders in a time when we had no key forward.

Without Grundy, I highly doubt we would have made top four after Gawn’s injury which in itself was increasingly valuable for us going out in straight sets again.

10 minutes ago, Super Sub Schache said:

Getting Grundy wasn’t a mistake.

He was a replacement for Jackson and yatistically their output as a second ruck was very similar.

Yes, Jackson was a slightly better forward but not by a lot.

The problem is, we tried to mould Grundy into a player he never was going to be instead of working to his strengths as a ruck.

The reliance on Gawn is unsustainable, he needed to adjust his game and spend more time forward because despite his kicking woes he can at least take a contested mark and wreaks havoc for opposition defenders in a time when we had no key forward.

Without Grundy, I highly doubt we would have made top four after Gawn’s injury which in itself was increasingly valuable for us going out in straight sets again.

I disagree. Unfortunately it turned into a massive blunder for the club, that I suspect had a greater impact on our finals campaign than just a player not getting a game. The blame for that ****show sits ultimately with Goody and to some degree with Max. I suspect Max cracked it mid season as he wasn’t dominating up forward or in the ruck. Remember originally Max was going to be the forward target, not Grundy. By seasons end Max was numero uno, the alpha male, and Grundy was a player who was  “not to be selected under any circumstances”. 

Grundy was not Jackson.  We pinned our hopes on making it so.  Jackson checked out of his last dozen games so we have been off our preferred structure for 18 months. We need another ‘jackson’, or need to find another structure that’s works for us.  If grundy stays, we need to understand who he is and what he can do, rather than what we want him to do.  It would also mean Gawn needs to understand his capabilties and role as well.

12 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I disagree. Unfortunately it turned into a massive blunder for the club, that I suspect had a greater impact on our finals campaign than just a player not getting a game. The blame for that ****show sits ultimately with Goody and to some degree with Max. I suspect Max cracked it mid season as he wasn’t dominating up forward or in the ruck. Remember originally Max was going to be the forward target, not Grundy. By seasons end Max was numero uno, the alpha male, and Grundy was a player who was  “not to be selected under any circumstances”. 

I disagree Petty and Melksham in Finals would have made  all the difference required to get us over the line in all of those games, in my opinion. Grundy grabbed the opportunities with both hands when he did play, and we beat Colliwobbles  as well. Didn't we also heard that Max got injured again and so did Viney, which didn't help

 

3 minutes ago, Willmoy1947 said:

I disagree Petty and Melksham in Finals would have made  all the difference required to get us over the line in all of those games, in my opinion. Grundy grabbed the opportunities with both hands when he did play, and we beat Colliwobbles  as well. Didn't we also heard that Max got injured again and so did Viney, which didn't help

 

Of course you are correct there. I remember noting to myself when Petty went down that our Cup chances were likely gone, then when Melk did his knee that was the ball game. However once that happened we had to improvise and as it turned out we lost 2 close finals by little more or less than a f**king straight kick. And in both finals we refused to select Grundy to play the sort of role we just witnessed Cox/Cameron/Frampton play to win a Cup. Still Flabbergasted! 

19 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Of course you are correct there. I remember noting to myself when Petty went down that our Cup chances were likely gone, then when Melk did his knee that was the ball game. However once that happened we had to improvise and as it turned out we lost 2 close finals by little more or less than a f**king straight kick. And in both finals we refused to select Grundy to play the sort of role we just witnessed Cox/Cameron/Frampton play to win a Cup. Still Flabbergasted! 

The question is was not picked as due to Grundy refusing to play or Goody not willing to play him??

The conjecture about Max throwing the toys out of the cot is hilarious! The notion that we lost out by recruiting Grundy is also laughable (unless we are talking about a monetary catastrophe, which I do believe has several stages to play out yet). We got a good player in the door. It wasn't the only reason we failed to win a final. I reckon some good may come of it before season 2024 gets under way!

7 hours ago, waynewussell said:

The conjecture about Max throwing the toys out of the cot is hilarious! The notion that we lost out by recruiting Grundy is also laughable (unless we are talking about a monetary catastrophe, which I do believe has several stages to play out yet). We got a good player in the door. It wasn't the only reason we failed to win a final. I reckon some good may come of it before season 2024 gets under way!

Club needs to clear the air of the Grundy saga as many unanswered question what went wrong & why he wasn’t played.. just can’t be swept under the carpet! look at what the pies brought in from the 22 trade vs us, there are ur answers 

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Demonsone

Grundy should retain his trade value. Before he arrived there were question marks over his durability. More specifically, his previous injury. That has been put to bed. He will be a great asset to Sydney. He is a good ruck man for the right side. Baffling why we got him, but the side that offloaded knew what they were doing. Collingwood have been strategic. Their coach is very well measured and in control. 

 

21 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

If that's the case then he should fire his management because they're useless. 

Online heraldsun article titled "Swans' hardball Grundy play"

Anyone have access?

Why wouldn’t Sydney play hardball on this. We showed how little we valued Grundy during the last part of the season. I would hope that we don’t sell him cheap l would rather keep him. We are totally reliant on Max who is getting older and is still likely to result in injuries throughout the year. I think the decision not to play him in both finals cost us a chance to win the premiership. While l have almost always supported goody this was a disgusting act, one that l still cannot understand what the hell he was thinking. I believe max needs to spend more time in the forward line to hopefully prolong his ability to play. max needs to work on his kicking, regardless of whether Grundy goes or stays. His wayward kicking has cost us games. He needs to step up and learn to kick goals. 

3 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Why wouldn’t Sydney play hardball on this. We showed how little we valued Grundy during the last part of the season. I would hope that we don’t sell him cheap l would rather keep him. We are totally reliant on Max who is getting older and is still likely to result in injuries throughout the year. I think the decision not to play him in both finals cost us a chance to win the premiership. While l have almost always supported goody this was a disgusting act, one that l still cannot understand what the hell he was thinking. I believe max needs to spend more time in the forward line to hopefully prolong his ability to play. max needs to work on his kicking, regardless of whether Grundy goes or stays. His wayward kicking has cost us games. He needs to step up and learn to kick goals. 

Sure, and the article said?

12 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

What does a fa   rt emoji look like?

14 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

KC needs to get down tonight  off the table  and  not shake his booty  just so that we will notice him  because that is not   the way that I like it.  He must be in the lead for The Golden Dermie for having ferocious position on eveything.   (Soon to be filmed as The Opinionator with an Arnie-lookalike in the title role)

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Quite fitting that these proposed mega trades are sponsored by the alcohol industry

5 minutes ago, Demonland said:

On what planet are Zerk Thatcher and Ratugolea worth more than Brodie Grundy?

 

6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

hold on what do Melb get for Pick 38?

1 hour ago, Kent said:

hold on what do Melb get for Pick 38?

Last year we got Jed Adams with pick 38 - seems like unders for a multiple AA Ruckman but what would I know.