On 06/10/2022 at 00:55, 58er said:

4 flags in 15 years 2009 and 2011. Not 2 a decade apart . 

Weird hill to die on mate. Selwood the only 'current' player who was there for 2007. Selwood and Hawkins the only players who were there for 2009. 

In fact - whilst I said 2 flags, only 3 players were there for 2012 - Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan. So you could argue they've only won 1 with this current list. 

Prem windows last c.6-10 years usually off the back of a core cohort hitting 23/24 until they reach 30-34. They only grabbed one right at the end, aided by a couple of multi-flag heroes that have had long and storied careers, who they will not replace with ease. 

I'm not sure how else I can make my point? 

Edited October 6, 20222 yr by fr_ap

  On 06/10/2022 at 00:58, Redleg said:

North getting excited.

Gold Coast should be even more excited.

Same state and they’ve been freeing up cap space all post season.

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:11, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Gold Coast should be even more excited.

Same state and they’ve been freeing up cap space all post season.

 

They could sign Dunkley then trade him and a future first to get off the salary 

On Dunkley.  AFL website reports:  "The Lions put forward pick 15 and a future first-round pick for Dunkley but were keen to get picks 30, 39 and a future third-round back, which would have seen them essentially splitting for points as well as getting Dunkley".

Bulldogs turned it down, pick 15 was traded out and now they are bleating about what Brisbane can offer and threatening the PSD.  Bulldogs should have learnt their lesson with the Stringer trade a few years ago.  Knocked back the picks offered, Ess traded some out and Bulldogs got a fair bit less than the initial offer.

Bulldogs showing lack of understanding of what the other party needs:  points for their F/S which clearly the Lions have prioritised..

Lots of grandstanding happening at the kennel over Dunkley.  No way will they send thier BnF into the PSD.  Also, losing some cred in not being able to smoothly get deals done.  They should wisen up.  They can't win every trade!!

Edited October 6, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 06/10/2022 at 00:39, fr_ap said:

They've had a sustained successful period with this list, but only 2 flags a long time apart. I wouldn't call that a dynasty given the players they've had at their disposal. The Tigers achieved more with less.  

Geelong’s first dynasty ended in 2011 and hung around on the way down until 2015.

Their current side has been building since then with big ticket recruits in Dangerfield and Jeremy Cameron. But it’s finding elite players in Stewart and Blicavs that really put them over the top. Tim Kelly creating the picks for Cameron too.

These new recruits are really about keeping this current window alive, which might fade with the over 30’s the next few years.

What the cats have mastered though is staying towards the top and only needing to sign 1 gun free agent every few years and draft or develop 1 superstar to then get back right at the top. 

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:29, Lord Nev said:

 

🧐

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:30, Lord Nev said:

 

ha

Corbett clearly not rated highly by Gold Coast.  A future fourth rounder? 

That's not even a packet of chips, it's the little crumby bits at the bottom of the bag.

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:38, Demonstone said:

Corbett clearly not rated highly by Gold Coast.  A future fourth rounder? 

That's not even a packet of chips, it's the little crumby bits at the bottom of the bag.

Sometimes those bits have the most flavour... but I'm not sure how to turn that into a footy analogy...

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:40, Lord Nev said:

Sometimes those bits have the most flavour... but I'm not sure how to turn that into a footy analogy...

Gold Coast fans will be salty?

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:41, Demonstone said:

Gold Coast fans will be salty?

Fremantle have picked up a good crumber?

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:38, Demonstone said:

Corbett clearly not rated highly by Gold Coast.  A future fourth rounder? 

That's not even a packet of chips, it's the little crumby bits at the bottom of the bag.

He’s an unproven 26 year old who’s undersized for the role he plays. He’s barely worth a pick in a trade and will only get a game at Freo because their forward line is WAFL league level trash.

Are we actually taking part in trade week, cause there's nothing..................................crickets.............................................

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:45, Demons123 said:

Are we actually taking part in trade week, cause there's nothing..................................crickets.............................................

you mean besides, grundy, hunt, bedford, jackson and Tommo? 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:19, Lucifers Hero said:

On Dunkley.  AFL website reports:  "The Lions put forward pick 15 and a future first-round pick for Dunkley but were keen to get picks 30, 39 and a future third-round back, which would have seen them essentially splitting for points as well as getting Dunkley".

Bulldogs turned it down, pick 15 was traded out and now they are bleating about what Brisbane can offer and threatening the PSD.  Bulldogs should have learnt their lesson with the Stringer trade a few years ago.  Knocked back the picks offered, Ess traded some out and Bulldogs got a fair bit less than the initial offer.

Bulldogs showing lack of understanding of what the other party needs:  points for their F/S which clearly the Lions have prioritised..

Lots of grandstanding happening at the kennel over Dunkley.  No way will they send thier BnF into the PSD.  Also, losing some cred in not being able to smoothly get deals done.  They should wisen up.  They can't win every trade!!

But going by that analogy, we haven't accepted Freo's first offer so it's our fault if we get nothing for Jackson.  For the lions to bring in Dunkley the dogs b&f winner, they should be taking a hit and not getting it all their own way.  They have two father sons coming in and need points - but they can go into deficit next year as well.  Surely it's fair enough for the dogs to stand their ground as we would expect the dees to with Freo.

What am I missing?

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:54, Travy14 said:

you mean besides, grundy, hunt, bedford, jackson and Tommo? 

and a pick swap with port. But aside form that....

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:38, Demonstone said:

Corbett clearly not rated highly by Gold Coast.  A future fourth rounder? 

That's not even a packet of chips, it's the little crumby bits at the bottom of the bag.

it's not even the crumby bits, just the empty plastic bag

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:19, Lucifers Hero said:

On Dunkley.  AFL website reports:  "The Lions put forward pick 15 and a future first-round pick for Dunkley but were keen to get picks 30, 39 and a future third-round back, which would have seen them essentially splitting for points as well as getting Dunkley".

Bulldogs turned it down, pick 15 was traded out and now they are bleating about what Brisbane can offer and threatening the PSD.  Bulldogs should have learnt their lesson with the Stringer trade a few years ago.  Knocked back the picks offered, Ess traded some out and Bulldogs got a fair bit less than the initial offer.

Bulldogs showing lack of understanding of what the other party needs:  points for their F/S which clearly the Lions have prioritised..

Lots of grandstanding happening at the kennel over Dunkley.  No way will they send thier BnF into the PSD.  Also, losing some cred in not being able to smoothly get deals done.  They should wisen up.  They can't win every trade!!

I'd rather be us with Jackson than the Dogs with Dunkley.  That deal looks very hard to get done now with anything reasonable to the Dogs.

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:29, Lord Nev said:

 

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:30, Travy14 said:

🧐

They'll probably post a 🏠 when they're about to announce Jackson coming home.

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:55, deelusions from afar said:

But going by that analogy, we haven't accepted Freo's first offer so it's our fault if we get nothing for Jackson.  For the lions to bring in Dunkley the dogs b&f winner, they should be taking a hit and not getting it all their own way.  They have two father sons coming in and need points - but they can go into deficit next year as well.  Surely it's fair enough for the dogs to stand their ground as we would expect the dees to with Freo.

What am I missing?

The Bulldogs have form in grandstanding, being stubborn, rejecting good deals end up shooting themselves in the foot. eg Stringer.  They are a bit like Diodoro wanting to 'win the trade' rather than like us who look at the big picture.

If we have turned down a Freo offer it isn't public. We have a reputation of getting deals done smoothly and fairly.

Grandstander vs Honest broker.

Only 6 days of the trade period to go!!

That means only 5 and 1/2 days until something happens!

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:07, Lucifers Hero said:

The Bulldogs have form in grandstanding, being stubborn, rejecting good deals end up shooting themselves in the foot. eg Stringer.  They are a bit like Diodoro wanting to 'win the trade' rather than like us who look at the big picture.

If we have turned down a Freo offer it isn't public. We have a reputation of getting deals done smoothly and fairly.

Grandstander vs Honest broker.

Maybe that's the advantage of our approach - the Stringer deal was years ago and it still taints them?  I feel like in this case the dogs haven't done much wrong and the lions are over-reaching because they can.