It gets worse.

[grazman 7,451]

http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArti...px?newsId=40949

I don't think either Garland or Newton are ready yet, but I have serious reservations as to whether playing Bizz in the forward line is the right move long term. However, I suppose it's a bit of an understatement to say the coach needs a win.

[Choko 493]

Haha - they are mucking around - trying to be unpredictable. I've also noticed that everyone from the coach down has been complimenting Geelong on how amazing they were. Again, mind games, and I love it.

I remember beating Geelong in 2005 at Kardinia without Neitz - an unconventional forward line - Robbo gave Scarlett a bath, no-one to match up on Yze, etc...

[deeboy 40]

Haha - they are mucking around - trying to be unpredictable. I've also noticed that everyone from the coach down has been complimenting Geelong on how amazing they were. Again, mind games, and I love it.

I remember beating Geelong in 2005 at Kardinia without Neitz - an unconventional forward line - Robbo gave Scarlett a bath, no-one to match up on Yze, etc...

Only problem this time around, is that Robbo isn't going to be playing either. I have no doubt we will see Big Bad Benny unleashed at full forward on Sunday!

[Choko 493]

Only problem this time around, is that Robbo isn't going to be playing either. I have no doubt we will see Big Bad Benny unleashed at full forward on Sunday!

Just a mini little minor problem

One that will make us more unpredictable. And you couldn't get more unpredictable than Benny Boy at FF.

[Jaded No More 68,973]

I don't take any of that seriously, however if I see Clint Bizzell lining up at FF on Sunday, I will spew.

He will never be a FF, and it would be a completely wasted exercise to play him there. I'd rather Davey lined up at FF!

We're in a really bad position with our injuries, but this is the time to blood new players and make some changes. We'll most likely never have this sort of opportunity again until Neita and Robbo both retire (hopefully!).

Who knows, we may uncover a real FF option for the future.

[Cactus 2]

I don't take any of that seriously, however if I see Clint Bizzell lining up at FF on Sunday, I will spew.

He will never be a FF, and it would be a completely wasted exercise to play him there. I'd rather Davey lined up at FF!

We're in a really bad position with our injuries, but this is the time to blood new players and make some changes. We'll most likely never have this sort of opportunity again until Neita and Robbo both retire (hopefully!).

Who knows, we may uncover a real FF option for the future.

This may sound stupid, but why isnt he worth a try?

Apart from taking the opportunity of a younger player.

I seem to remember when he was at geelong he played forward and was reasonably rated there...

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

and that was years ago and he wasnt that good of a forward

id rather see bate or newton play FF

but we should try and do what johnson did to scarlet by leading up high and burning him off on the way back to goal

[Dreamin' Demon 10]

....this is the time to blood new players and make some changes. We'll most likely never have this sort of opportunity again

I'm all for it. I really think its an exciting time. I'm looking forward to an unpredictable line up against the cats & that may even work for us. A great opportunity for a youngling to take off & make a name for himself.

[Old Man Rivers 326]

This my sound stupid, but why isnt he worth a try?

Apart from taking the opportunity of a younger player.

I seem to remember when he was at geelong he played forward and was reasonably rated there...

Ripped us apart one day @ The G.

Kicked 8 if my memory serve's me correctly.

A way better option than Benny. Even if he gets the ball how the hell is he going tokick it straight?

[grazman 7,451]

This my sound stupid, but why isnt he worth a try?

Apart from taking the opportunity of a younger player.

I seem to remember when he was at geelong he played forward and was reasonably rated there...

I guess the name of the game is winning Cactus, and in that respect, he is probably going to be the least risky proposition to play forward given that he did play about three good games for the cats playing forward. The point is though that maybe one of the younger blokes like Dunn, Bate or CJ - whilst riskier, may benefit from the experience (and selfishly for us supporters give us something to hang our hats on) or that someone like PJ or Jamar who don't look like making it as ruckmen may somehow be converted into a productive forward.

[Jaded No More 68,973]

I seem to remember when he was at geelong he played forward and was reasonably rated there...

So rated in fact, that they traded him.

At best Bizzell plays FF, and kicks a couple. At worse, he does absolutely nothing and his player runs off him all day creating more headaches for us.

Bottom line is, this is most likely Bizzell's last season. He never was and never will be a FF, and playing him there will be like wallpapering a cracked wall. It won't help us in the long term, and it probably won't help us in the short term either.

On the other hand, we can let someone like Newton or Dunn play at FF for the next 4 weeks. They may not dominate, hell they may be completely useless, but at least we'll know. Either we'll unearth a long-term option, or we'll find out if these guys can cut it at senior level.

Neita is not going to be around forever, neither is Robbo, or especially Bizzell.

We're in a [censored] situation, and we can either be brave and make bold moves and gain something, or we can continue to fill gaps with players who are never going to get us anywhere.

Not making the most of this situation would be absolutely criminal, and a further blow to the team.

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

what baffled me on monday is we started with jamar forward which i dont mind, he proved to be a target and then neitz gets injured and they dont put white or jamar back there to replace him

but id just be happy to see the bizz play!

[Cactus 2]

I guess the name of the game is winning Cactus, and in that respect, he is probably going to be the least risky proposition to play forward given that he did play about three good games for the cats playing forward. The point is though that maybe one of the younger blokes like Dunn, Bate or CJ - whilst riskier, may benefit from the experience (and selfishly for us supporters give us something to hang our hats on) or that someone like PJ or Jamar who don't look like making it as ruckmen may somehow be converted into a productive forward.

yeah i like the point about the least risky option...

He will be absolutly raring to go after more than a year off

Bate could be worth a crack, has a good build and reasonable set shot.

Apart from the i think it will have to be a first gamer, talk about throwing them to the sharks 0-2 and tipped to make top 4 and they have to come out and try to fill the place of the club games record holder and captain...

If holland could take a mark and then fake a knee injury and have Greeny standing next to him to take the shot when holland cant, 1 min later holland runs on and we repeat the process...

It'll be tough for whoever gets it i guess

[WonnaJurah 5]

remember the baby bombers of 1993? id like the sound of the baby dees winnig it in 07

[Cactus 2]

So rated in fact, that they traded him.

At best Bizzell plays FF, and kicks a couple. At worse, he does absolutely nothing and his player runs off him all day creating more headaches for us.

Bottom line is, this is most likely Bizzell's last season. He never was and never will be a FF, and playing him there will be like wallpapering a cracked wall. It won't help us in the long term, and it probably won't help us in the short term either.

On the other hand, we can let someone like Newton or Dunn play at FF for the next 4 weeks. They may not dominate, hell they may be completely useless, but at least we'll know. Either we'll unearth a long-term option, or we'll find out if these guys can cut it at senior level.

Neita is not going to be around forever, neither is Robbo, or especially Bizzell.

We're in a [censored] situation, and we can either be brave and make bold moves and gain something, or we can continue to fill gaps with players who are never going to get us anywhere.

Not making the most of this situation would be absolutely criminal, and a further blow to the team.

I understand where you are coming from but it could do more bad than good... Newton could get smashed by Scarlett and lose all his confidence and with the way our midfield is delivering at the moment we wont learn anything. I dont want to fill gaps anymore than you do but i also dont want to throw them in the deep end and hope they can swim, if they cant we lose them...

[deeboy 40]

In all seriousness now, I would like to see us keep rotating different options through the forward line. Keep making Geelong shuffle around their defence. Would like to see us start with someone like Bate at full forward, then rotate Green and Bruce through there. At other times put Jamar, White or Holland there to give us a target and at other times play Davey from the goal square as the only forward in the 50. We have to keep them on their toes and not allow their defenders to settle.

[Jaded No More 68,973]

I understand where you are coming from but it could do more bad than good... Newton could get smashed by Scarlett and lose all his confidence and with the way our midfield is delivering at the moment we wont learn anything. I dont want to fill gaps anymore than you do but i also dont want to throw them in the deep end and hope they can swim, if they cant we lose them...

If they can't swim, we'll give them floaties, if they sink, we don't want them!

If Newton gets smashed by Scarlett, he'll get up and he'll learn. We can't protect these kids forever, and to be fair he has been in the system for a few years already.

At some stage we need to bite the bullet and give them a go. Never has there been a more desperate need for a tall forward to stand up and deliver. Newton is our future, and it seems the future is now.

[Cactus 2]

If they can't swim, we'll give them floaties, if they sink, we don't want them!

If Newton gets smashed by Scarlett, he'll get up and he'll learn. We can't protect these kids forever, and to be fair he has been in the system for a few years already.

At some stage we need to bite the bullet and give them a go. Never has there been a more desperate need for a tall forward to stand up and deliver. Newton is our future, and it seems the future is now.

I have been wanting Newton to play for a long time too... But we still want to win, correct?? I think we need some experience to steady the ship so to speak.

He isnt solid or experienced enough to walk straight into FF...

Biz knows how an AFL game is played and can play bigger than he is.

Newton should debut in a pocket with Neitz by his side to learn off him. When i first thought about it i was exactly like you but a 2nd thought changed my mind.

and what would those floaties be?? put him on the bench?? Try and hide him somewhere?? Put Jamar down there to help him??

[brey9186 102]

play PJ at full forward, Newton in one pocket and Davey in the other

Scarlett will take PJ, Egan will go straight to miller, Milburn or Josh Hunt are their next best defenders to take newton

Throw in Sylvia, Yze, a resting ruckman, Bruce, Green, GODFREY!!!!, Bate and CJ i think we can kick enough score without Neitz and Robbo

[occo 2]

I am NOT for Biz playing in the forward line. Im upset we are playing ordinary and injuries but i would really like to see some new guys come in over biz and holland. Ok perhaps if we do that we have more chance of losing...but lets face it, the odds are against us already. Newton must get a game. How will he ever be any good if we dont give him some time in the afl. Remember neitz expiry date is very close.

I would really like to see Garland, Buckley, Pettard and Warnock. Who knows, they may play better than TJ last week lol. But seriously, look towards the future.

Danners will not name these players tho, as he rairly gives players a lot of chance and some luck

[QueenC 74]

I am NOT for Biz playing in the forward line.

I would really like to see Garland, Buckley, Pettard and Warnock. Who knows, they may play better than TJ last week lol. But seriously, look towards the future.

Danners will not name these players tho, as he rairly gives players a lot of chance and some luck

That is an unfortunate truth occo, I would also love to see a couple of our kids getting a run.....

But I don't think it will happen, not this week. To bigger risk for Daniher to take maybe?

I have a real soft spot for Bizz but I don't see him in the forward line.

And I honestly don't think they will put him there, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the twenty-two.

[demon_fanatic 4]

I am all for the young kids to be played this year like many of the bottom sides did last year, get the games into them for next year, let's be realistic people we will win maximum 2 of the next 6 if we are lucky that leaves us at 2-6 with a lot of interstate trips still to go....

Will it dent the kids confidence?? Maybe but i'd rather let them play and see what happens, while it won't happen because dropping Brown, Godfrey would seem harsh after they played ok... in reality it should happen if we want a more competitive team next year

Bizz will probably play this week but i'd prefer him floating down back and driving the ball out of defence... i'd like to see Bizz and Riv play more together......

Yze should be brought back simply due to lack of options and i'm sure if you sat him deep all game he would snag a much needed 3-4 goals..... same with Sylvia these 2 are great for their height at marking the ball.. have Davey right at their feet... the last thing we need is an immobile forward line so throwing Holland/PJ or Ferg down there won't help.

HF: Bate, Miller, Bruce

F: Davey, Sylvia, Yze

I woulnt mind seeing Newton given a go but ND simply doesn't seem to take those chances......

If i had my way id play Newton, Pettard, CJ all year and let them develop, while throwing in a few games to Garland/Weetra if form warranted.

[astrodee 0]

All except Warnock, Occo. 2 of Newton, Garland or PJ on the forward line. I really liked Garland's work before he got knocked on Saturday. But Bizz at FF - please, no.

[Yze_Magic 3]

Bizzeel is finished

Time to find the Neitz replacement

NEWTON FOR FILL FORWARD!!! BRING HIM IN!!

[beelzebub 23,383]

with all due respect Biz represents the past, we need to get some of the 'future' playing. play a kid or two.