Farewell Luke Jackson

[Tarax Club 4,093]

When Young Jackson first came to Melbourne there was a spontaneous reaction.

As soon it became clear in his debut year he was so energetic and athletic in action.

His third quarter spark on the Grand Final Park silenced the Doggies' bark.

Though none of us can accept blame when he chose to turn his back on fame.

To return to old Freo for a pot of gold so Mum can curl his hair with ribbons of aurelio reo.

 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Tarax Club
Late to the party but couldn't resist, desist but persist

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,974]

So Peter Bell thinks Melbourne underutilized Dogga and that his best role is in the forward line as a contested mark beast!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/fremantle-dockers/afl-news-2022-luke-jackson-fremantle-traded-from-melbourne-contract-game-plan-where-will-he-play-sean-darcy-peter-bell-interview/news-story/ba5714fefa8b95830f2b9dd11ba671c4

 

Good Lord.  Peter might want to have a look at Harrison Petty's mark as a forward late in the final against Brisbane before he commits to Jackson as Freo's new key forward now that they have no Lobb.

[adonski 12,919]

3 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So Peter Bell thinks Melbourne underutilized Dogga and that his best role is in the forward line as a contested mark beast!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/fremantle-dockers/afl-news-2022-luke-jackson-fremantle-traded-from-melbourne-contract-game-plan-where-will-he-play-sean-darcy-peter-bell-interview/news-story/ba5714fefa8b95830f2b9dd11ba671c4

 

Good Lord.  Peter might want to have a look at Harrison Petty's mark as a forward late in the final against Brisbane before he commits to Jackson as Freo's new key forward now that they have no Lobb.

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9 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So Peter Bell thinks Melbourne underutilized Dogga and that his best role is in the forward line as a contested mark beast!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/fremantle-dockers/afl-news-2022-luke-jackson-fremantle-traded-from-melbourne-contract-game-plan-where-will-he-play-sean-darcy-peter-bell-interview/news-story/ba5714fefa8b95830f2b9dd11ba671c4

 

Good Lord.  Peter might want to have a look at Harrison Petty's mark as a forward late in the final against Brisbane before he commits to Jackson as Freo's new key forward now that they have no Lobb.

Good luck with that

[dazzledavey36 55,892]

4 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So Peter Bell thinks Melbourne underutilized Dogga and that his best role is in the forward line as a contested mark beast!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/fremantle-dockers/afl-news-2022-luke-jackson-fremantle-traded-from-melbourne-contract-game-plan-where-will-he-play-sean-darcy-peter-bell-interview/news-story/ba5714fefa8b95830f2b9dd11ba671c4

 

Good Lord.  Peter might want to have a look at Harrison Petty's mark as a forward late in the final against Brisbane before he commits to Jackson as Freo's new key forward now that they have no Lobb.

Well to be honest Bell isn't wrong.. 

He's right in saying that our entry inside forward 50 is too narrow and it doesn't play to advantage to any of the key forwards that we rolled through there.

I mean we recruited a 60 plus goal a season forward to then just bomb it onto his head in a crowded forward line which is exactly the opposite to his strengths. Worries me that this will impact JVR's development with this [censored] forward structure. 

If this is on Geg Stafford then we simply cannot be rolling with the same forward structure moving into next year, and it immediately needs to be overhauled. 

[rjay 25,307]

I think Peter Jackson was well worth the money...

[adonski 12,919]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well to be honest Bell isn't wrong.. 

He's right in saying that our entry inside forward 50 is too narrow and it doesn't play to advantage to any of the key forwards that we rolled through there.

I mean we recruited a 60 plus goal a season forward to then just bomb it onto his head in a crowded forward line which is exactly the opposite to his strengths. Worries me that this will impact JVR's development with this [censored] forward structure. 

If this is on Geg Stafford then we simply cannot be rolling with the same forward structure moving into next year, and it immediately needs to be overhauled. 

Fingers crossed Jacko kicks 70 next year so we can get Goody sacked 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,974]

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I mean we recruited a 60 plus goal a season forward to then just bomb it onto his head in a crowded forward line which is exactly the opposite to his strengths.

And won the premiership that same year.

And BBB kicked 3 in the GF.  The ball wasn't bombed to him that game and our game plan isn't just bombing it in every time.  If there isn't a quality option on then yes it's about retention, but if we're on and the option is on, then we're hitting targets in good goal scoring positions.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,257]

I think Bell is desperate for a key forward at Freo and is trying to sell his message to the members as they have one of the least potent attacks on paper of all the contenders. The fact they were around the 12-13th mark last year in scores “for” underscored this, and they won’t be going near a flag next year if they don’t improve in that area.

Jackson couldn’t catch an over sized beach ball in the 2022 finals when playing as a key forward.

Either he mentally checked out of his footy club by finals time, or Bell is incorrect by claiming his best footy will be as a key forward.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,257]

11 hours ago, adonski said:

Fingers crossed Jacko kicks 70 next year so we can get Goody sacked 

Are you getting Luke Beveridge vibes about Goodwin?

[Ollie fan 3,637]

11 hours ago, adonski said:

Fingers crossed Jacko kicks 70 next year so we can get Goody sacked 

Get real. 

[adonski 12,919]

9 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Get real. 

60 goals then

[adonski 12,919]

10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Are you getting Luke Beveridge vibes about Goodwin?

Another few trade periods and we might have half the bulldogs team running around for us, so worlds are definitely colliding! 

[demon3165 2,832]

11 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

And won the premiership that same year.

And BBB kicked 3 in the GF.  The ball wasn't bombed to him that game and our game plan isn't just bombing it in every time.  If there isn't a quality option on then yes it's about retention, but if we're on and the option is on, then we're hitting targets in good goal scoring positions.

suggest you watch the replays from last year then we were gone before round 10 forward line was woeful, bit hard to lead into space when you only play the left side of the ground and force forwards to lead into pockets, as they say harder the angle harder kick for goal.

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

While Bell is right about our 'narrow' entry i50 he could have kept the criticism to himself and simply talked about how Jackson's role will add to their team which is primarily as a forward.  That wasn't his role for us so how we deliver i50 isn't so relevant and didn't need mentioning.

He 'won' the trade by some margin  No need to prove himself (again) as a snarly, little man.

[YearOfTheDees 3,266]

If Jackson believes the hype getting around about him he should have stayed at the Dees for another year maybe two and then signed a ten year mega deal. If Jackson does not believe the about him then he has done the right thing grabbing the money now. Of course money might not be the reason he is going home. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,974]

25 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

If Jackson believes the hype getting around about him he should have stayed at the Dees for another year maybe two and then signed a ten year mega deal. If Jackson does not believe the about him then he has done the right thing grabbing the money now. Of course money might not be the reason he is going home. 

I did pick this thread to continue, partly as a bit of a stir, but I'd be making the is he worth the money thing as more of a judgment on Freo than Jackson.  Personally, I'm happy to take Dogga sincerely that it was mostly about going home.  Neither can I really blame him for taking the he extra money or Freo for offering for that matter.  I think when clubs wrestle a player away from their current club, there is often an element of paying them a bit overs to get them over the line to make the switch and their club as the preferred destination.  I suspect Melbourne generally play this game as much any other club.

Mostly Bell's call on Dogga as being a great contested mark/key forward is somewhat over blown.  I'm not denying that Dogga wasn't a good mark for us, as he was capable of pulling down some good screamers around the ground on the odd ocation using guys as a step ladder and also took the odd mark for us inside forward 50, but I don't think his marking was on anything like the same level as Gawn's.

Dogga being the second decoy option inside forward 50 is a very different option to being the main goto guy getting double or tripple manned by key defenders when you're the man.  Will be interesting to see if he steps up or struggles with that sort of pressure and attention.  Maybe he's the sort that thrives under external expectations, but I actually think Bell has done a disservice to Dogga by putting even more pressure on him in this regard.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[rjay 25,307]

48 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

While Bell is right about our 'narrow' entry i50 he could have kept the criticism to himself and simply talked about how Jackson's role will add to their team which is primarily as a forward.  That wasn't his role for us so how we deliver i50 isn't so relevant and didn't need mentioning.

He 'won' the trade by some margin  No need to prove himself (again) as a snarly, little man.

Yep, thought the same.

He needs to worry about his own (yet to win anything) club.

If he wants to make commentary on other clubs then he should quit his job and join the media.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,974]

2 hours ago, demon3165 said:

suggest you watch the replays from last year then we were gone before round 10 forward line was woeful, bit hard to lead into space when you only play the left side of the ground and force forwards to lead into pockets, as they say harder the angle harder kick for goal.

 

37 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

While Bell is right about our 'narrow' entry i50 he could have kept the criticism to himself and simply talked about how Jackson's role will add to their team which is primarily as a forward.  That wasn't his role for us so how we deliver i50 isn't so relevant and didn't need mentioning.

He 'won' the trade by some margin  No need to prove himself (again) as a snarly, little man.

I don't think the narrow kick to the pocket forward 50 entry game that we played for the first 3/4 or 2021 and alot of 2022 is the destination in our game style.

For alot of the back half of 2021, Goody and the coaches spoke about working on the attacking part of our game (or the phase when we were in possession or whatever the lingo is these days).  The lead up into finals 2021 and that finals series, we played a far more effective attacking game when we had the momentum and I think that is actually the game style we aim to play.  Of course you also need the toops to play it and back half of 2022, we had no T Mac etc.  The recruiting of Hunter is another sign we know we need to correct our entry and that's the type of game plan we are really targeting.

That said, it is also a key plank of our game style to kick to the forward pocket, retain the ball and defend from within our forward 50 that helps keep us in games even when we might not be in our best form and help us win games more consistently and set us up deep inside the top 4 in genuine positions to win premierships.  After having watched some great attacking MFC sides over the decades, I'll take the one that finished with home and away ladder positions of 1st and 2nd, including a premiership over consecutive seasons than the ones that would scrape into finals, but always behind the 8 ball to actually get into the GF, let alone win a premiership.

[Demon17 5,227]

17 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

but I actually think Bell has done a disservice to Dogga by putting even more pressure on him in this regard.

Spot on Rodney.  Silly public comment by Bell even if he thinks it's true.

One thing I agree with Kane Cornes on is that Luke is not a key forward , more of a tall athletic mid-fielder, which is how he made his 15 minutes of fame in the GF.

Will be very good , but he's no messiah.

But as others on here bemoan, our overall forard structure is another matter and I expect a full re-build in Round 1 or will be worried.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,974]

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Yep, thought the same.

He needs to worry about his own (yet to win anything) club.

If he wants to make commentary on other clubs then he should quit his job and join the media.

Yep, not smart for players and senior club officials to be taking public swipes at opponents.  Sure Justin Longmiur isn't real happy about Bell's comments.  It's not quite a Lingger's moment, but for a senior official to be making it, it's not that far off either.

[BDA 23,019]

Peter Bellend. Talks way too much

[durango 2,023]

I look at parrallels between Luke Jackson and Jesse Hogan both played for the MFC, both won the Rising Star award, both went to Fremantle and both left to be closer to family and friends.

Will he go the way that Jesse went or to stardom?

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10 minutes ago, durango said:

I look at parrallels between Luke Jackson and Jesse Hogan both played for the MFC, both won the Rising Star award, both went to Fremantle and both left to be closer to family and friends.

Will he go the way that Jesse went or to stardom?

Depends how good you expect him to become, my opinion is he'll be a solid player, have his moments but certainly no unicorn ( stupid term )

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Freo will be lucky if Jackson can match the amount of goals Lobb kicked for them last year, I'm thinking probably not.